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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 6, 2016 20:38:34 GMT
They were the best team. They proved it. They were the NCAA Basketball Tournament Champion.
True, and that made them the 1983 NCAA D-I men's basketball national champions. The NCAA trophy says "National Champions"
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 6, 2016 20:41:24 GMT
They were the best team. They proved it. Not even close... they were, perhaps, the luckiest team ever.
And, they also abused the rules so badly, the sport changed them.
They proved that they were the best team. You cannot prove that any team was better. All you can do is opine.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 6, 2016 21:53:50 GMT
Last I saw, Ohio State would have been #2 in the BCS rankings. 2 or 3 doesn't really matter unless you care what color your team wears. And a 2 loss team had no chance in the BCSif there were 4 teams with one loss. ya, so it would make sense when people saw the rankings, and when people said "Ohio State is a lock" The problem is the committee had previously set a standard of emphasizing conference championships, which they bypassed this year The ambiguity with the whole process is dumb...we are only on year 3 of the committee, and so far I think it's a joke The playoff STRUCTURE is much better than the BCS....the way they are deciding the 4 is worse IMO, because no one literally knows what to expect. In some fairness to this so called committee ( in no way affiliated with the governing body of the sport ) it has filled 11 of the 12 slots in the first 3 events with conference champions. Breaking that pattern is an unfortunate deviation in my opinion and opens the door for more mythical doodoo. It seems to have privileges reserved for OSU.....admittedly a huge TV draw.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 6, 2016 22:01:11 GMT
it has filled 11 of the 12 slots in the first 3 events with conference champions. Breaking that pattern is an unfortunate deviation in my opinion and opens the door for more mythical doodoo. It seems to have privileges reserved for OSU.....admittedly a huge TV draw. BINGO!
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 6, 2016 22:46:48 GMT
They were the NCAA Basketball Tournament Champion.
True, and that made them the 1983 NCAA D-I men's basketball national champions. The NCAA trophy says "National Champions" Yep, we call them national champions, just like we do in football - common parlance.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 7, 2016 1:06:27 GMT
True, and that made them the 1983 NCAA D-I men's basketball national champions. The NCAA trophy says "National Champions" Yep, we call them national champions, just like we do in football - common parlance. The difference is, 1983 NC State basketball was the actual, not mythical, NCAA D-I national champions, just like NDSU is the reigning NCAA D-I football national champions.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 7, 2016 3:06:27 GMT
Yep, we call them national champions, just like we do in football - common parlance. The difference is, 1983 NC State basketball was the actual, not mythical, NCAA D-I national champions, just like NDSU is the reigning NCAA D-I football national champions. FBS National Champions are just as real. They have "WON" the process.. such as it is. It's the system that sucks, not the teams that succeed in it.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 7, 2016 9:08:05 GMT
There is no trophy, however, awarded to the winner of this CFP event that says 'FBS Champions '...because they know it's not a championship for the FBS sub division, which happens to have 10 leagues and 128 teams.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 7, 2016 9:15:05 GMT
The difference is, 1983 NC State basketball was the actual, not mythical, NCAA D-I national champions, just like NDSU is the reigning NCAA D-I football national champions. FBS National Champions are just as real. They have "WON" the process.. such as it is. It's the system that sucks, not the teams that succeed in it. Not true (except that the teams don't suck). The "process" effectively excludes and is heavily biased against nearly half of the teams in the FBS subdivision, and it is not conducted by the governing organization. It would be fair to consider the winner of the CFP to be the Power Five Conferences Champion.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 7, 2016 11:54:22 GMT
FBS National Champions are just as real. They have "WON" the process.. such as it is. It's the system that sucks, not the teams that succeed in it. It would be fair to consider the winner of the CFP to be the Power Five Conferences Champion. Fair enough.... That's good enough for me.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 9, 2016 13:28:31 GMT
Yep the "true champion" in a 16 team playoff, in theory, can argue it was better than the 112 teams it didn't play.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 9, 2016 16:49:17 GMT
Yep the "true champion" in a 16 team playoff, in theory, can argue it was better than the 112 teams it didn't play. Independents notwithstanding, that would be fair to argue if the field of 16 includes all 10 conference champions.
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