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Post by GatorGrad on Oct 3, 2015 13:57:33 GMT
It's not just "the SEC nation" that "rarely thinks" about this. I don't think I've ever read about a Big Ten, PAC, or BIG 12 fan obsessing about where their coaches were born either. I can promise you that fans of SEC schools would much rather have a top-notch head football coach who was born in Ohio or anywhere up north than have an average coach who was born in SEC country. We don't care where our recruits or coaches come from...just that as many good ones as possible come to our school. I know you don't care and most SEC types probably don't care...that's fine, but GG, honestly, do you think SEC hypers, in general, are AWARE of what a relative barren wasteland of coaching talent the SEC has been Re: the highest level of the sport ? Why would they be aware if they do not care? Are you AWARE of the educational background of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit models? I do not believe your goal is to spread awareness on this topic, rather it seems that you find some sort of odd satisfaction out of it. Carry on... |
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Post by Hero on Oct 3, 2015 15:16:44 GMT
It's not just "the SEC nation" that "rarely thinks" about this. I don't think I've ever read about a Big Ten, PAC, or BIG 12 fan obsessing about where their coaches were born either. I can promise you that fans of SEC schools would much rather have a top-notch head football coach who was born in Ohio or anywhere up north than have an average coach who was born in SEC country. We don't care where our recruits or coaches come from...just that as many good ones as possible come to our school. I know you don't care and most SEC types probably don't care...that's fine, but GG, honestly, do you think SEC hypers, BLAH, BLAH, Who are these "SEC hypers" and why do you expect GG to answer for them? |
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Post by sc69er on Oct 3, 2015 16:09:42 GMT
Super Bowl winning head coaches by alma mater conference or division """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" FCS - 12 MWC/WAC - 8 DIII - 6 SWC - 5 ACC -4 Schools that have dropped FB 4 B10 -3 P12 -3 MAC -2 NAIA -1 SEC - 0 Alma maters of current 32 NFL head coaches by conference or division """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" 10 - FCS 04 - WAC/MWC 03- DIII 03 - ACC 02- P12 02 - BE 02 - DII 02 - SWC/B12 01- MAC 01- Ind 01- NAIA 01- B10 0000 - SEC and for the creme de la creme.... Alma maters of pro football hall of fame head coaches by conference / division (ccc) """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" B10 -6 FCS -4 DIII -4 MAC -2 dropped FB -2 MWC -2 B12 -1 IND -1 SEC -0 """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Does Arkansas count as SEC? If it does Jimmie Johnson and Barry Switzer, both Ark graduates, won both Super Bowls and MNC's. BTW in another post, which you apparently didn't understand, I asked if winning a super bowl was the only criteria for being a great coach. As you know Bear Bryant went to Alabama and had some sucess as a football coach. In that post I also pointed out that players from power 5 conferences are less likely to take the normal career path to Head Coaching--they have more options. |
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Post by Bevo on Oct 3, 2015 16:26:30 GMT
Rut row.... you're messing up a perfectly good theory.
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Post by Hero on Oct 3, 2015 17:16:49 GMT
Rut row.... you're messing up a perfectly good theory.
He used to say coaches from the south until we slapped down that nonsense. |
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Post by Hero on Oct 3, 2015 17:31:12 GMT
Does Arkansas count as SEC? If it does Jimmie Johnson and Barry Switzer, both Ark graduates, won both Super Bowls and MNC's. BTW in another post, which you apparently didn't understand, I asked if winning a super bowl was the only criteria for being a great coach. As you know Bear Bryant went to Alabama and had some sucess as a football coach. In that post I also pointed out that players from power 5 conferences are less likely to take the normal career path to Head Coaching--they have more options. Joe Gibbs traces his coaching roots to U of Arkansas as well. Doug Marrone coached at Georgia. Andy Reid at Missouri. Don Shula at Kentucky.
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Post by bluehen on Oct 4, 2015 16:51:27 GMT
Hero, you're not getting the gist of the topic. Jimmie Johnson and Barry Switzer are products of SWC football, not SEC football. ZERO HOF FB coaches played SEC football. ZERO Super Bowl winning coaches played SEC football and ZERO current NFL coaches played SEC football. All HCs in those categories played elsewhere. SEC FB programs just flat out can't produce coaching talent for the highest level of football. No way around it.
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Post by bluehen on Oct 4, 2015 17:06:22 GMT
I know you don't care and most SEC types probably don't care...that's fine, but GG, honestly, do you think SEC hypers, in general, are AWARE of what a relative barren wasteland of coaching talent the SEC has been Re: the highest level of the sport ? Why would they be aware if they do not care? Are you AWARE of the educational background of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit models? I do not believe your goal is to spread awareness on this topic, rather it seems that you find some sort of odd satisfaction out of it. Carry on... Now GG, you know I almost always respect your opinions but who are you trying to kid with the "we don't care " crap in speaking on behalf of the SEC type nation ? If the SEC produced great quantities of coaching talent for the highest level of the sport.... HOFers, SB winners etc. or had bunches of its grads coaching NFL teams are you telling me (seriously & honestly) that it wouldn't be constantly mentioned by the SEC hype nation ? Do you think Finebaum and the ESECPN hypers wouldn't be referring to it ? This is perfect example of one of the defining characteristics of an 'SEC Type'........any facts embarrassing to the SEC myth are not 'cared about' or don't matter, don't count, are forgotten, swept under the carpet etc.etc. Any facts highly flattering to the SEC are constantly flaunted. We'd never hear the end of what great coaching factories the SEC programs are and have been if that was the case. |
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Post by bucs90 on Oct 5, 2015 5:30:13 GMT
It's not just "the SEC nation" that "rarely thinks" about this. I don't think I've ever read about a Big Ten, PAC, or BIG 12 fan obsessing about where their coaches were born either. I can promise you that fans of SEC schools would much rather have a top-notch head football coach who was born in Ohio or anywhere up north than have an average coach who was born in SEC country. We don't care where our recruits or coaches come from...just that as many good ones as possible come to our school. I know you don't care and most SEC types probably don't care...that's fine, but GG, honestly, do you think SEC hypers, in general, are AWARE of what a relative barren wasteland of coaching talent the SEC has been Re: the highest level of the sport ? It's all about coaching trees in the NFL Hen. 90% of getting a job in the NFL...is being close to someone who is already there. Unless we think Lane Kiffin and Jay Gruden or any of the Buddy Ryan offspring just worked hard enough to get there on their own. Southern folk make better college coaches than NFL and a big reason is the coaching tree of opportunity. Especially pre-2000 before big time college ball became such a CEO job. |
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Post by bucs90 on Oct 5, 2015 5:33:17 GMT
Hero, you're not getting the gist of the topic. Jimmie Johnson and Barry Switzer are products of SWC football, not SEC football. ZERO HOF FB coaches played SEC football. ZERO Super Bowl winning coaches played SEC football and ZERO current NFL coaches played SEC football. All HCs in those categories played elsewhere. SEC FB programs just flat out can't produce coaching talent for the highest level of football. No way around it. SEC product Dan Reeves (USC) played/coached in more Super Bowls than any other person. |
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Post by Hero on Oct 5, 2015 10:27:28 GMT
Hero, you're not getting the gist of the topic. Jimmie Johnson and Barry Switzer are products of SWC football, not SEC football. ZERO HOF FB coaches played SEC football. ZERO Super Bowl winning coaches played SEC football and ZERO current NFL coaches played SEC football. All HCs in those categories played elsewhere. SEC FB programs just flat out can't produce coaching talent for the highest level of football. No way around it. You used to say the same type crap about "coaches from the south". I, among others, proved you were spouting pure nonsense. There is no SWC, Arkansas is in the SEC, try to keep up. |
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Post by GatorGrad on Oct 5, 2015 15:05:41 GMT
Why would they be aware if they do not care? Are you AWARE of the educational background of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit models? I do not believe your goal is to spread awareness on this topic, rather it seems that you find some sort of odd satisfaction out of it. Carry on... Now GG, you know I almost always respect your opinions but who are you trying to kid with the "we don't care " crap in speaking on behalf of the SEC type nation ? If the SEC produced great quantities of coaching talent for the highest level of the sport.... HOFers, SB winners etc. or had bunches of its grads coaching NFL teams are you telling me (seriously & honestly) that it wouldn't be constantly mentioned by the SEC hype nation ? Do you think Finebaum and the ESECPN hypers wouldn't be referring to it ? This is perfect example of one of the defining characteristics of an 'SEC Type'........any facts embarrassing to the SEC myth are not 'cared about' or don't matter, don't count, are forgotten, swept under the carpet etc.etc. Any facts highly flattering to the SEC are constantly flaunted. We'd never hear the end of what great coaching factories the SEC programs are and have been if that was the case. No, I do not. I do not see anyone discussing this topic at all, even from conferences who DO lead in this "category." I see people discussing how college teams from college conferences perform on the field playing college football. The fact that Tommie Frazier did not amount to anything in the NFL is not a negative against the Big 12 (now B1G.) Steve Spurrier's lack of NFL success with the Redskins is nothing for Florida or the SEC to be ashamed of. |
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Post by bluehen on Oct 5, 2015 15:17:45 GMT
It's not just "the SEC nation" that "rarely thinks" about this. I don't think I've ever read about a Big Ten, PAC, or BIG 12 fan obsessing about where their coaches were born either. I can promise you that fans of SEC schools would much rather have a top-notch head football coach who was born in Ohio or anywhere up north than have an average coach who was born in SEC country. We don't care where our recruits or coaches come from...just that as many good ones as possible come to our school. GG, please go back and read the data in the original topic post. There is absolutely NOTHING about where anybody was born. You've completely got off track with this 'born' stuff. The thread is about CF programs producing coaching talent for the highest level of the sport. Now, native lineage of SEC head coaches can also be a very non flattering subject to things SEC but let's save that for another topic and address the topic on hand....fair enough ? |
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Post by bluehen on Oct 5, 2015 15:19:13 GMT
Hero, you're not getting the gist of the topic. Jimmie Johnson and Barry Switzer are products of SWC football, not SEC football. ZERO HOF FB coaches played SEC football. ZERO Super Bowl winning coaches played SEC football and ZERO current NFL coaches played SEC football. All HCs in those categories played elsewhere. SEC FB programs just flat out can't produce coaching talent for the highest level of football. No way around it. SEC product Dan Reeves (USC) played/coached in more Super Bowls than any other person. OH yeah, common knowledge. Dan was very good but somewhat of an aberration in SEC bred coaching success.....SEC still ZERO for Pro HOF, ZERO for SB winning coaches, and ZERO for current NFL HCs. You're beginning to see how time consuming and difficult it is picking through all the top coaches at the top level of football in search of anything SEC, aren't you B90 ? Has the SEC been a 'relative' barren wasteland, in a historical context, of producing top coaching talent for the supreme level of football ? Ask yourself that question and answer it honestly. |
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Post by bluehen on Oct 5, 2015 22:27:14 GMT
Now GG, you know I almost always respect your opinions but who are you trying to kid with the "we don't care " crap in speaking on behalf of the SEC type nation ? If the SEC produced great quantities of coaching talent for the highest level of the sport.... HOFers, SB winners etc. or had bunches of its grads coaching NFL teams are you telling me (seriously & honestly) that it wouldn't be constantly mentioned by the SEC hype nation ? Do you think Finebaum and the ESECPN hypers wouldn't be referring to it ? This is perfect example of one of the defining characteristics of an 'SEC Type'........any facts embarrassing to the SEC myth are not 'cared about' or don't matter, don't count, are forgotten, swept under the carpet etc.etc. Any facts highly flattering to the SEC are constantly flaunted. We'd never hear the end of what great coaching factories the SEC programs are and have been if that was the case. No, I do not. I do not see anyone discussing this topic at all, even from conferences who DO lead in this "category." I see people discussing how college teams from college conferences perform on the field playing college football. The fact that Tommie Frazier did not amount to anything in the NFL is not a negative against the Big 12 (now B1G.) Steve Spurrier's lack of NFL success with the Redskins is nothing for Florida or the SEC to be ashamed of. Right, the conferences and divisions that do lead these coaching categories don't feel the need to flaunt and gloat like the SEC nation supremacists typically do. |
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