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Post by bluehen on Feb 9, 2017 18:42:55 GMT
What would be your explanation, Bevo, for why the SEC provides great playing talent to the highest level of the sport but can't provide hardly any coaching talent to the highest level of the sport ? The sport of football is more than just a bunch of speedy athletes zipping around a field....it must be organized, orchestrated,......in other words coached. Coaching is critically important, Bevo, is it not ? I don't know... could be a number of reasons: - SEC coaches are already paid SO MUCH, and the job security is so good, perhaps more of the good coaches stay in the SEC? - Coaches are a somewhat in-bred fraternity. Meaning, they stick together... hire their friends and relatives of friends. So, the long-term history of coaches from the Northeast and Mid-west tends to perpetuate itself. - Rampant racism in the coaching fraternity prevented black coaches from getting much of a shot until relatively recently. The SEC (I assume) has a higher % of black players. So, their full integration into the coaching ranks has been severely delayed. - Maybe the players in the SEC are better PLAYERS... so, they PLAY longer.. and, make enough money to not care about trying to coach? Or, they just don't think about coaching, since it's not really a common job progression for the people they know? What do YOU think the reason is? Coaches are important, no doubt.... but, they don't directly sell tickets. People pay to watch the PLAYERS. Of course, they pay more to watch players that WIN! That's where coaching comes into play. In general though, Hen... I'm not all that interested in WHERE ANYONE comes from, coaches or players. I don't care if they're black, white, brown or purple... nor do I care whether they are from the SEC or MAC or from Alberta. Maybe, I care a little if they're from UT Austin. But, that's just due to familiarity. All I care about is: How they perform. Professional sports franchises are going to hire the absolute best coaching available to them regardless of geography, race ethnicity or any of that . Why the NFL seems to ignore the SEC or the Southeast region for coaching talent... I'm not sure either. This might be somewhat of a perception but the win-at-all-costs ideology of that league and region sometimes seems to put more emphasis on running 40 yards real fast and/or bench pressing a bunch of pounds than developing kids academically and cerebrally...sponsoring Spring HS football, for example. In the grand scheme of life, Southerners really do think football is important. Anyway, I'm always going to give credit to the 'thinking' part of the sport and I'd hope you would appreciate that part of the game too...coaching, The pro football hall of fame wouldn't include 23 of those men if weren't important. For example , there are more Pro HOF head coaches enshrined than defensive ends....and defensive ends probably outnumbered head coaches in that league 30-1 or more.
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Post by Bevo on Feb 9, 2017 20:16:33 GMT
Professional sports franchises are going to hire the absolute best coaching available to them regardless of geography, race ethnicity or any of that. They SHOULD, Hen.... We're closer to that way of thinking now. But, they don't. Racism was a BIG factor in the NFL not all that long ago. Art Shell, in 1989, was the first black head coach of the modern era. At the time he was hired, not only were there no black head coaches, there were damn few assistants... only ~ 7% of the total. More than a third of assistant coaches today are black. Some of that growth, as I said, is just the benefit of seeing role models... Seeing others like you be successful, helps give people the idea to aspire to the same. But, the resistance to START hiring black coaches was pretty blatant racism. I think the racism factor is not that big now. But, nepotism remains a STRONG force. In the same way that big movie studios keep cranking out sequel after sequel, NFL owners keep reaching out for re-tread coaches. And, Head Coaches reach out and hire their friends. They all know, it might be THEM that needs help tomorrow. This is the reason TERRIBLE coaches like Cam Cameron, Erik Erickson and Butch Davis kept getting hired. It's the reason shitty coaches like David Shula and Jay Gruden ever got a chance in the first place. It's a club. And, it's been a hard club to break into.
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Post by Bevo on Feb 9, 2017 21:29:05 GMT
Hey Hen,
Since you're the expert, could you tell us which three schools have the most alumni head coaching in the FBS??
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Post by bluehen on Feb 9, 2017 23:22:13 GMT
Hey Hen,
Since you're the expert, could you tell us which three schools have the most alumni head coaching in the FBS??
Don't have a clue, off hand. Is that info available on some site ? I can tell what native states have contributed the most NFL HCs, OCs and DCs for 2016
15 - California 08 - Pennsylvania 07 - Ohio 05 - Texas 05 - Illinois 04 - Washington 04 - Georgia 04 - Colorado 04 - Minnesota 04 - New Jersey
..and would you want the top producers of HOF NFL coaches...by birth, HS, Alma Mater or conference/division? Got all that handy.
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Post by Bevo on Feb 9, 2017 23:55:50 GMT
I'm asking about current head coaches in the FBS division of college football.
What schools have provided the most FBS head coaches ?
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Post by bluehen on Feb 10, 2017 0:49:39 GMT
I'm asking about current head coaches in the FBS division of college football. What schools have provided the most FBS head coaches ? I don't know... again, but a bonus just for you Bevo Schools providing the most HCs at the supreme level of American football ( 2016 season) 2 - Pacific 2 - Idaho State 1 each - La Monroe, Brown, Florida, Va Tech, BYU, USC, Wyoming, Iowa, SD State, Utah, WM & Mary, Illinois St., SW Oklahoma, Wesleyan, Salisbury St., Temple, Miami Oh, California, E.Illinois, Kansas, Louisville, Princeton, Mich State, Baker, T A&M, (SWC product) Indiana Pa, & N.D state obviously 16 FBS schools are tied with 1 each
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Post by Hero on Feb 10, 2017 1:28:28 GMT
I'm asking about current head coaches in the FBS division of college football. What schools have provided the most FBS head coaches ? I don't know... again, but a bonus just for you Bevo Schools providing the most HCs at the supreme level of American football ( 2016 season) 2 - Pacific 2 - Idaho State 1 each - La Monroe, Brown, Florida, Va Tech, BYU, USC, Wyoming, Iowa, SD State, Utah, WM & Mary, Illinois St., SW Oklahoma, Wesleyan, Salisbury St., Temple, Miami Oh, California, E.Illinois, Kansas, Louisville, Princeton, Mich State, Baker, T A&M, (SWC product) Indiana Pa, & N.D state obviously 16 FBS schools are tied with 1 each How many FBS Schools are playing Football? I think your list is a bit short.
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Post by Bevo on Feb 10, 2017 1:41:17 GMT
I'm asking about current head coaches in the FBS division of college football. What schools have provided the most FBS head coaches ? I don't know... again, but a bonus just for you Bevo Schools providing the most HCs at the supreme level of American football ( 2016 season) 2 - Pacific 2 - Idaho State 1 each - La Monroe, Brown, Florida, Va Tech, BYU, USC, Wyoming, Iowa, SD State, Utah, WM & Mary, Illinois St., SW Oklahoma, Wesleyan, Salisbury St., Temple, Miami Oh, California, E.Illinois, Kansas, Louisville, Princeton, Mich State, Baker, T A&M, (SWC product) Indiana Pa, & N.D state obviously 16 FBS schools are tied with 1 each Don't know? Or won't say? I'll give you a clue: the 2nd highest rated school boasts 4 FBS head coaches, including the one that won the CFP Title.
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Post by Hero on Feb 10, 2017 2:07:59 GMT
Schools providing the most HCs at the supreme level of American football ( 2016 season) 2 - Pacific 2 - Idaho State 1 each - La Monroe, Brown, Florida, Va Tech, BYU, USC, Wyoming, Iowa, SD State, Utah, WM & Mary, Illinois St., SW Oklahoma, Wesleyan, Salisbury St., Temple, Miami Oh, California, E.Illinois, Kansas, Louisville, Princeton, Mich State, Baker, T A&M, (SWC product) Indiana Pa, & N.D state obviously 16 FBS schools are tied with 1 each Don't know? Or won't say? I'll give you a clue: the 2nd highest rated school boasts 4 FBS head coaches, including the one that won the CFP Title. Bama has at least three, off the top of my head.
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Post by bluehen on Feb 10, 2017 5:28:21 GMT
Ok..very good. Nice to hear. I know Bama has had a long Bear Bryant coaching tree..unfortunately most of those guys got their programs on NCAA probation.
Anyway here are where the 23 head coaches enshrined in Canton learned and played their college ball. ..the absolute greatest at the greatest level of football known on planet Earth.
Miami, Ohio -2 ( the only CF program to produce two- Paul Brown & Weeb Ewbank ) Michigan - George Allen San Jose State - Bill Walsh Ohio State - Sid Gillman Notre Dame - Curly Lambeau Dayton - Chuck Noll Texas - Tom Landry Gonzaga - Ray Flaherty Harvard - Marv Levy Nebraska - Guy Chamberlin Illinois - George Halas San Diego State - Joe Gibbs San Jose State - Bill Walsh Cal Poly - John Madden Fordham - Vince Lombardi John Carroll - Don Shula Minnesota - Tony Dungy Phillips - Steve Owen Purdue - Hank Stram W.Virginia Wesleyan - Greasy Neal Wichita State - Bill Parcells Washington U ( St.Louis ) - Jimmy Conzelman
Now I don't want to be smart ass so I won't mention that Slippery Rock is tied up with all the 14 SEC schools ( collectively) with ZER0.
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Post by Hero on Feb 10, 2017 5:32:44 GMT
Ok..very good. Nice to hear. I know Bama has had a long Bear Bryant coaching tree..unfortunately most of those guys got their programs on NCAA probation. Anyway here are where the 23 head coaches enshrined in Canton learned and played their college ball. ..the absolute greatest at the greatest level of football known on planet Earth. Miami, Ohio -2 ( the only CF program to produce two- Paul Brown & Weeb Ewbank ) Michigan - George Allen San Jose State - Bill Walsh Ohio State - Sid Gillman Notre Dame - Curly Lambeau Dayton - Chuck Noll Texas - Tom Landry Gonzaga - Ray Flaherty Harvard - Marv Levy Nebraska - Guy Chamberlin Illinois - George Halas San Diego State - Joe Gibbs San Jose State - Bill Walsh Cal Poly - John Madden Fordham - Vince Lombardi John Carroll - Don Shula Minnesota - Tony Dungy Phillips - Steve Owen Purdue - Hank Stram W.Virginia Wesleyan - Greasy Neal Wichita State - Bill Parcells Washington U ( St.Louis ) - Jimmy Conzelman Now I don't want to be smart ass so I won't mention that Slippery Rock is tied up with all the 14 SEC schools ( collectively) with ZER0. Bryant is dead and Nick Saban is now the Coach at Alabama. Neither of these facts have any relation to the question nor does your list.
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Post by bluehen on Feb 12, 2017 0:05:40 GMT
Ok..very good. Nice to hear. I know Bama has had a long Bear Bryant coaching tree..unfortunately most of those guys got their programs on NCAA probation. Anyway here are where the 23 head coaches enshrined in Canton learned and played their college ball. ..the absolute greatest at the greatest level of football known on planet Earth. Miami, Ohio -2 ( the only CF program to produce two- Paul Brown & Weeb Ewbank ) Michigan - George Allen San Jose State - Bill Walsh Ohio State - Sid Gillman Notre Dame - Curly Lambeau Dayton - Chuck Noll Texas - Tom Landry Gonzaga - Ray Flaherty Harvard - Marv Levy Nebraska - Guy Chamberlin Illinois - George Halas San Diego State - Joe Gibbs San Jose State - Bill Walsh Cal Poly - John Madden Fordham - Vince Lombardi John Carroll - Don Shula Minnesota - Tony Dungy Phillips - Steve Owen Purdue - Hank Stram W.Virginia Wesleyan - Greasy Neal Wichita State - Bill Parcells Washington U ( St.Louis ) - Jimmy Conzelman Now I don't want to be smart ass so I won't mention that Slippery Rock is tied up with all the 14 SEC schools ( collectively) with ZER0. Bryant is dead and Nick Saban is now the Coach at Alabama. Neither of these facts have any relation to the question nor does your list. What "question" ? You mean why can't the SEC schools produce elite coaching talent ? ..that question ? And its not just the SEC, its the Southeastern region of the US. Why can't those states and schools, as crazy as they are about football, produce legendary pro head coaches like the rest of the nation can ? I need to know.
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Post by Hero on Feb 12, 2017 21:47:52 GMT
Bryant is dead and Nick Saban is now the Coach at Alabama. Neither of these facts have any relation to the question nor does your list. What "question" ? You mean why can't the SEC schools produce elite coaching talent ? ..that question ? And its not just the SEC, its the Southeastern region of the US. Why can't those states and schools, as crazy as they are about football, produce legendary pro head coaches like the rest of the nation can ? I need to know. Bevo already answered in another thread.
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