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Post by Bevo on Apr 26, 2018 14:01:21 GMT
I have little problem with Bama making the problem last year, or Ohio State the year before that should be the exception rather than the rule. You make a good point about UCF though..... my point is every sport that has a championship has set standards for competeting for the championship....CFB doesnt have those. I love the sport and absolutely believe we are going in the right direction...... but if 2 SEC teams are gonna make it every year we have a problem. If conferences especially the stronger conferences are gonna get penalized we have a problem, especially with only 4 teams. Who knows too, maybe UCF pulls two upsets if they are given a chance.....i personally dont think they do but maybe. I have said eight from the beginning and that would have included all 5 Champs plus UCF, Wisconsin and BAMA. EIGHT is the answer... unless, of course... you PREFER controversy every year.
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Post by doc on Apr 26, 2018 20:16:23 GMT
Here is my unnaturally early 2018 Playoff picks: 1. Clemson 2. Auburn 3. TCU 4. Alabama Very similar to last year...except TCU replaces Mayfield-less OU, and Auburn wins the SEC this year and replaces Georgia. Clemson will dominate all year and be the #1 seed again, where they will once again play a 1-loss Alabama team. Except they will win Alabama-Clemson IV. I like both Texas and TCU in the Big XII, but I think if TCU gets over the Ohio State hump, that will propel them towards a great season in the Big XII, which should be up for grabs this year. I think Ohio State will be in the hunt, but probably have a 2-loss season. I think the Big 10 will be loaded, but eat itself and have a 2-loss Champ. The PAC 12 has slipped into mediocrity, but I think Washington will win the championship, and could slip into the playoffs with a little luck. Besides Ohio State, the other real contenders are Clemson, Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia. Georgia was a little overrated last year IMO...can they continue to get better? The SEC is a lot weaker than it used to be, so I think the winner of the Alabama-Auburn-Georgia games will likely emerge as SEC Champ with a secure playoff spot. Alabama is Alabama and they just don't have enough good teams on their schedule to worry about much...their schedule is a sleep walk until LSU and Auburn Clemson has an early test against Jimbo Fisher A&M, and then the dreaded road game against FSU (I know Tiger fans fear the spear), but no Virginia Tech or Miami on the schedule How does the playoff unfold? Clemson beats Bama Auburn beats TCU Clemson beats Auburn Tigers win their 2nd Natty in 3 years Same ole college football, different year... TCU will lose at least 3, and probably 4 games in 2018 - including the Ohio State game. Auburn won't beat Alabama and probably 2 other SEC opponents. You have to pick Alabama and Clemson until they don't make it. I'd like to think Ohio State will make it but they have two tough road games in OSU and MSU.
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Post by Hero on Apr 27, 2018 22:18:06 GMT
There were some clear differences when tOSU made it as they had 4 wins vs top 8 teams and PSU had I think just 1 top 25 win. Who was PSU's win against? No answer, imagine my surprise.
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Post by Bevo on Apr 29, 2018 15:46:05 GMT
Who was PSU's win against? No answer, imagine my surprise. Maybe, Penn State should have played OSU two more times?
Then, they'd have MORE wins against Top 25 opponents.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Apr 29, 2018 17:43:07 GMT
Who was PSU's win against? No answer, imagine my surprise. Penn St. Are you say PSU deserved over tOSU? Who did Bama lose to last year? Who did UCF lose to last year? Who did UCF beat in their bowl game?
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Post by kentflash_05 on Apr 29, 2018 18:20:03 GMT
No answer, imagine my surprise. Penn St. Are you say PSU deserved over tOSU? Who did Bama lose to last year? Who did UCF lose to last year? Who did UCF beat in their bowl game? It's has to move to 8. College Football will forever have this cloud until it moves to 8. I don't have a problem with the teams picked so far, in fact we lose track of the fact that the CFP committee has by and large done a decent job.....but there will always be a deserving vs eye battle contest. I think in a 4 team playoff the team that is more deserving should be picked in 99% of the years. Alabama may have been the best team last year, but were they the most deserving? Absolutely no.....and we have this idea in College Football that the 4 best teams should make the playoffs, but in other legitimate playoffs you could make a case the best team doesn't always make the playoffs. The New England Patriots the year they went 11-5 and didn't make the Postseason could have won the Super Bowl......they didn't get in because they didn't qualify do to established Playoff guidelines by the NFL. The 2000 Cleveland Indians could have won the World Series in 2000......the Indians were in the midst of a run of consecutive AL Central Titles in the last 90's early 2000's, but they dug themselves a tremendous hole in 2000. The Indians had the best Major League Baseball record in the second half of the MLB season, including a dominate Series win against the Yankees dynasty where they nearly swept the Bronx Bombers in a 4 game series. Many people thought the Indians if they snuck into the Playoffs as a Wildcard might win the World Series they fell one game short. The Indians might have been the best team in the MLB that season, but didn't qualify for the Post Season due to MLB guidelines. Hero said it earlier the perfect number is 8...The College Football Championship is better than what we had, but if won't be perfected until they expand it to 8.
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Post by Bevo on Apr 30, 2018 0:37:30 GMT
No answer, imagine my surprise. Penn St. Are you say PSU deserved over tOSU? Yes. On the field, head to head counts 4x more than any SOS. Especially when played just a few weeks prior. The committee chose poorly.
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Post by doc on Apr 30, 2018 14:16:59 GMT
Penn St. Are you say PSU deserved over tOSU? Yes. On the field, head to head counts 4x more than any SOS. Say's everyone except the 12 'experts' sitting in that committee room. Similar to OSU last year against Iowa, PSU had a 30+ point loss that season - that obviously weighed more than the win, I guess.
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Post by Bevo on Apr 30, 2018 17:09:31 GMT
Yes. On the field, head to head counts 4x more than any SOS. Say's everyone except the 12 'experts' sitting in that committee room. Similar to OSU last year against Iowa, PSU had a 30+ point loss that season - that obviously weighed more than the win, I guess.
I don't know about "everyone", but... I've read quite a few who thought it was a mistake.
I know, I said so... AT THE TIME. A couple of years down the road, I'm even more convinced that it was a mistake. It's forced the committee (in the name of consistency) to discount the value of the conference championships. That poor choice hangs over the heads now, every year.... it's a shame.
Here's the thing (to me): We invent all these crazy rules, and committee's and stats analysis for one primary reason: Because we're generally trying to compare teams that haven't played against each other on the field. SOMETIMES, (as with OSU and PSU) we actually do have a head to head, on the field result. When we do, I think it should MATTER. Was it a "lucky" win? Yea. Was OSU a "better" team? Maybe.... I'm not so sure, considering how the two teams finished the season. But, they played.. there was a result. NO STATS necessary.
Same when TCU lost to Baylor in that first year. TCU was CLEARLY the better team. Baylor eeked out a win on two of the most objectionable referee calls you will ever hope to see. But, Baylor was declared the "Winner".... thus, TCU lost all rights to be considered over them in a tie situation. It sucks... big time. But, that was the result on the field.
I can't wait for some 4 loss Florida team to beat Bama in the CCG, win the SEC title, and them have Bama selected for the CFP over them.
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Post by doc on Apr 30, 2018 17:40:57 GMT
Say's everyone except the 12 'experts' sitting in that committee room. Similar to OSU last year against Iowa, PSU had a 30+ point loss that season - that obviously weighed more than the win, I guess.
I don't know about "everyone", but... I've read quite a few who thought it was a mistake.
I know, I said so... AT THE TIME. A couple of years down the road, I'm even more convinced that it was a mistake. It's forced the committee (in the name of consistency) to discount the value of the conference championships. That poor choice hangs over the heads now, every year.... it's a shame.
Here's the thing (to me): We invent all these crazy rules, and committee's and stats analysis for one primary reason: Because we're generally trying to compare teams that haven't played against each other on the field. SOMETIMES, (as with OSU and PSU) we actually do have a head to head, on the field result. When we do, I think it should MATTER. Was it a "lucky" win? Yea. Was OSU a "better" team? Maybe.... I'm not so sure, considering how the two teams finished the season. But, they played.. there was a result. NO STATS necessary.
Same when TCU lost to Baylor in that first year. TCU was CLEARLY the better team. Baylor eeked out a win on two of the most objectionable referee calls you will ever hope to see. But, Baylor was declared the "Winner".... thus, TCU lost all rights to be considered over them in a tie situation. It sucks... big time. But, that was the result on the field.
I can't wait for some 4 loss Florida team to beat Bama in the CCG, win the SEC title, and them have Bama selected for the CFP over them.
I tried to have this conversation with the Hawkeye guy but didn't get anywhere. To me, head to head has to be the trump card when everything else is equal.
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Post by Hero on Apr 30, 2018 22:36:15 GMT
No answer, imagine my surprise. Penn St. Are you say PSU deserved over tOSU? Actually I was curious if you believed what you were saying about the importance of conference championships. I think I have my answer. I have said to anyone who would listen, five conference champs should have made the playoffs along with Wisconsin, UCF and BAMA. I do believe conference championships are important. Eight...five plus three is the answer.
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Post by Hero on Apr 30, 2018 22:48:09 GMT
No answer, imagine my surprise. Maybe, Penn State should have played OSU two more times?
Then, they'd have MORE wins against Top 25 opponents.
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Post by ajbuckeye on May 1, 2018 12:38:14 GMT
Penn St. Are you say PSU deserved over tOSU? Actually I was curious if you believed what you were saying about the importance of conference championships. I think I have my answer. Please show me my statements regarding the importance of conference championships. Apparently you must think you know more about what I believe than I do. Regarding the questions I posed to.... no answer, imagine my surprise
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Post by Bevo on May 1, 2018 14:37:10 GMT
I tried to have this conversation with the Hawkeye guy but didn't get anywhere. To me, head to head has to be the trump card when everything else is equal. Not surprised you didn't get anywhere with that argument. It's a weak sauce position. But, again... we shouldn't bicker and argue about who killed who. This is supposed to be a HAPPY place! It's a messed up system that leads to messed up, intentionally controversial decisions. I HATE it. Life has enough real controversy without making more, on purpose. Reasonable people can certainly disagree about various aspects of this crap setup.
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Post by ajbuckeye on May 2, 2018 2:46:23 GMT
Penn St. Are you say PSU deserved over tOSU? Yes. On the field, head to head counts 4x more than any SOS. Especially when played just a few weeks prior. The committee chose poorly. Auburn Beat Alabama on the field and won the SEC West over Alabama. If it counts as 4x more there is no way you could ever select Alabama over Auburn last year. I guess the committee chose poorly last year as well.
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