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Post by Bevo on Jan 5, 2019 14:41:18 GMT
Well... I can't publish the whole thing now, because... for whatever reason, My work computer will NOT "Cut & Paste" on this site. Will have to wait until I get home from Asia to put the full details here.... but, I'll re-type the short versions;
I will say: this is an IMPOSSIBLE task. Too many great coaches, in VERY different era's of football. But, I gave it my best shot:
Top 5 (as of Today)
1) Bear Bryant 2) Nick Saban (Note: Saban takes over the #1 spot if he wins on Monday night) 3) Knute Rockne 4) Fielding Yost 5) Pop Warner
My Honorable Mention list (Coaches who were OH SO CLOSE to being in my Top 5?)
Bud Wilkinson, Woody Hayes, Bob Neyland, Frank Leahy
Bevo's FAVORITE Coaches... (During my lifetime):
Darrell Royal, Bobby Bowden, Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer, John McKay.
Bevo's List of Coaches who will NEVER make "The List" because they are whiny bitches?
Tom Osborne, Joe Paterno, Barry Switzer,
When I can paste... I'll add more reasoning to my selections.... but, here they are, for now.
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Post by bluehen on Jan 5, 2019 15:35:15 GMT
Ha, Ok thanks , Bevo. Good fun.
I'm sure you don't want the career winning success rates of those top five and the relative standings in that regard, but just for fun :
1) Greatest of all time (Bryant): His .780 career success rate is 20th best all time among 'majors' and 59th best among all NCAA head coaches, all time. He is arguably the 3rd best in SEC history and stated himself that Neyland was a better HC
2) 2nd greatest of all time (Saban): His .790 career success rate is currently tied for 16th best all time among 'majors' and 50th best all time among all NCAA head coaches.
3) 3rd greatest of all time (Rockne): His .881 career success rate is #1 all time among 'majors' and 2nd best all time among all NCAA head coaches.
4) 4th greatest of all time (Yost): His .833 career success rate is 7th best all time among 'majors' and 19th best all time among all NCAA * head coaches
5) 5th greatest of all tome (Warner) : His .710 career success rate is approximately 65th all time among 'majors' and approximately 140th among all NCAA* head coaches
* Warner and Yost coached a portion of their careers before there was an NCAA
your 'oh so close' list and career winning % ranking among 'majors'
Wilkinson (10th best)
Hayes ( 29th best)
Neyland (9th best)
Leahy (2nd best )
There is certainly more than just winning to coaching greatness...understood
You inspired me to maybe list my all time favorites ( not necessarily the most difficult to beat)
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Post by Bevo on Jan 5, 2019 15:53:42 GMT
Win % is one of my least important criteria.
Most of the guys at the top of that list had special circumstances that boosted their ranking. Things like, coaching only at one school that was already good when they got there, or coaching as a dominant team in a pitifully weak conference.
One of my top criteria ? A coach who goes into a losing program and turns it around... takes a GREAT coach to win at Kentucky, take over a 1-9 Aggie team and turn them into winners. Or, to win National Titles at more than one school.
Win% is intetesting, but not persuasive to me.
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Post by Hero on Jan 5, 2019 20:05:26 GMT
Solid list.
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Post by bluehen on Jan 5, 2019 21:32:57 GMT
Win % is one of my least important criteria. Most of the guys at the top of that list had special circumstances that boosted their ranking. Things like, coaching only at one school that was already good when they got there, or coaching as a dominant team in a pitifully weak conference. One of my top criteria ? A coach who goes into a losing program and turns it around... takes a GREAT coach to win at Kentucky, take over a 1-9 Aggie team and turn them into winners. Or, to win National Titles at more than one school. Win% is intetesting, but not persuasive to me. Ok with me If winning and 'most difficult to beat' was everything only Rockne would be top 5 on your list. One non winning criteria I would also consider is 'innovation'.....ideas from coaches that changed and elevated the game.
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Post by EvilVodka on Jan 6, 2019 0:09:38 GMT
Saban is better than Bryant, hands down
Alabama's defensive stats in a pass happy era are impressive
Bobby Bowden should be top 5, and maybe Paterno too
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Post by bluehen on Jan 6, 2019 0:56:20 GMT
Agree - Saban and Bob Neyland among SEC HCs were more difficult to beat than Bear.
Bowden and Paterno were great but not within smelling distance of top 5 all time. They each lost 25 % of the college football games they ever coached. Top 5 status is .840 +
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Post by Bevo on Jan 6, 2019 7:12:31 GMT
. One non winning criteria I would also consider is 'innovation'.....ideas from coaches that changed and elevated the game. [/div]
[/quote] Agreed. Innovation was one of my top criteria. That’s how Pop Warner made the list. |
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Post by bluehen on Jan 7, 2019 22:12:17 GMT
The Five most difficult to beat CF head coaches in 'Major' college football history :
1) Knute Rockne - lost 11.9 % of his games
2) Frank Leahy - lost 13.6 % of his games
3) Urban Meyer - Lost 14% of his games
4) George Woodruff - lost 15.4 % of his games
5) Barry Switzer - Lost 16.3% of his games
Saban lost 21% of all the college games he coached
Bryant lost 22% of all the college games he coached
TOP Five most difficult to beat among all CF head coaches
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1) Larry Kehres lost 7.1 % of all his games
2) Knute Rockne lost 11.9 % of all his games
3) Frank Leahy lost 13.6 % of all his games
4) Bob Reade lost 13.8 % of all his games
5) Jeff Devanney lost 15% of all his games
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Post by Bevo on Jan 8, 2019 8:00:17 GMT
Rockne and Leahy both coached Notre Dame teams that were good before they got there, and good after they left. They’d have to be terrible coaches to not have excellent win percentages there.
A GREAT coach can go anywhere, and turn a perennial loser into a winner. Win% can take a hit for a couple of years in the process. But coaching greatness is proven beyond any doubt.
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Post by bluehen on Jan 8, 2019 12:57:20 GMT
Rockne and Leahy both coached Notre Dame teams that were good before they got there, and good after they left. They’d have to be terrible coaches to not have excellent win percentages there. A GREAT coach can go anywhere, and turn a perennial loser into a winner. Win% can take a hit for a couple of years in the process. But coaching greatness is proven beyond any doubt.
Agree with most of that, Bevo. The great 'turn around guys' should be noted. But, also, following coaching legends is not always easy so sustaining excellence can also be challenging and reflective of greatness. For example, look at the string of guys that tried to sustain Bryant's winning standards...the guys trying to follow Spurrier, those trying to sustain Switzer's winning culture...trying to sustain Osborne's greatness et. et. etc. ...too many 'following legends' examples to mention. Turning around reflects greatness and sustaining excellence can reflect greatness too.
My personal choice for the single greatest CF head coach of all time, and most difficult to beat by a ton,... Larry Kehres, did both and well beyond what anybody else has. Search his record some time...it's absurd dominance and excellence.
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 8, 2019 15:07:54 GMT
If Brian Kelly doesn't win the natty next year, Urban Meyer will be ND's coach.
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Post by bluehen on Jan 8, 2019 23:10:22 GMT
If Brian Kelly doesn't win the natty next year, Urban Meyer will be ND's coach. Pretty crazy but that has been his lifetime dream job. ND would have to lower its standards for that to happen. |
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 8, 2019 23:20:57 GMT
If Brian Kelly doesn't win the natty next year, Urban Meyer will be ND's coach. Pretty crazy but that has been his lifetime dream job. ND would half to lower its standards for that to happen. They did it with holtz - they might do it again |
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Post by bluehen on Jan 9, 2019 0:14:23 GMT
Pretty crazy but that has been his lifetime dream job. ND would have to lower its standards for that to happen. They did it with holtz - they might do it again Lou definitely won a few battles with the admissions office. |
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