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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 14, 2019 17:55:14 GMT
I think Alabama's domination started with the LSU rematch. Bama's current round of dominance (They've had several others) started in 2008. In the 11 seasons since then, they've only lost 15 games... and, three of those came in 2010.
They've only lost 1 game for the past 4 years, and 6 of the last 8.
That's pretty freaking incredible.
I think they were still climbing the ladder from 2008-2011. Here's another way to look at it... 1 SEC championship in that span bowl loss to Utah loss to LSU in #1 vs #2 at home Alabama didn't look dominating in the 2009 championship, they looked lucky...in that Colt McCoy got hurt Alabama was lucky to get a rematch with LSU in 2011 In gangsta terms, the 2011 National Championship made Alabama a stone-cold killa. Alabama has dominated since then. They have not lost to LSU again, they have owned the SEC except for a few Auburn snafus. They have destroyed teams in the playoffs, including Oklahoma, Michigan State, Notre Dame, AND Clemson (2017) The intimidation started in the 2011 championship, when LSU couldn't even make it past the 50. No disrepect to the early Saban-Bama years, they were still plenty good...but you can't dominate when you are losing key games
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Post by Bevo on Aug 14, 2019 18:02:19 GMT
Alabama didn't look dominating in the 2009 championship, they looked lucky...in that Colt McCoy got hurt Well, I CERTAINLY agree with you on THAT point... No disrepect to the early Saban-Bama years, they were still plenty good...but you can't dominate when you are losing key games But... From 2008 through 2010, they won 12, 14, and 10 games... plus a National Championship. That certainly gave the program a big boost. They were struggling before that. I'll agree with you that, the sheer DOMINATION part started in 2011. The RESULTS part started a little earlier.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 14, 2019 19:22:14 GMT
It was one of the early 20th century YALE teams!! Can't remember which one but it could have been the 1905 or 1909 teams. O9 gave up zero points all season. 05 Gave up 4 points. Those two teams outscored their opponents 447-4. And Remember those IVY opponents were the toughest to be found in those days. Another great example of teams that "Dominated" primarily because they played against very weak competition. In 1905 and 1909, football was still VERY new. Not many really had a clue HOW to even play. Yale had been playing for 30 years already. Totally unfair competition... but, that's all they had available to play.
Interesting stuff... I guess. About as interesting as Teddy Roosevelt's first trip to the Panama Canal and the invention of the "muffuletta" sandwich in New Orleans. These are also things that occurred in 1906.
Bevo, in the early 1900s Yale played the strongest CF competition available, nationwide, and hundreds of universities and colleges were fielding intercollegiate FB teams. It is ignorant to call those Ivy team opponents "weak". The not yet named Ivy League was even more dominant than the SEC of today and just as or even a bit more sleazy as far as winning at all costs.
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Post by Hero on Aug 14, 2019 20:21:09 GMT
I guess the difference must be P5 teams?
Bama has 243 wins in the past 25 years. But, I don't have data on how many were P5 teams.
Not taking anything away from Bama, they are what everyone aspires to be, but based on the math (and I did go to Ohio State) it appears that 21 of their wins the past 25 years have come over G5 competition or worse. I saw the stat above where they've only lost about 5 games in 5 years - does that change if they don't play The Citadel and teams like that - maybe play a highly ranked OOC game on their home field? I don't know but it's a legitimate question. Ohio State went 86-9 the 7 years under Meyer which is pretty phenomenal and yet my guess is Alabama and Clemson have been better. And based on the schedules, OSU was 17-0 over G5 teams over that stretch and 69-9 vs P5 teams. Based on math... Last year Alabama played 8 top 30 teams and Ohio State played 3. Alabama played the number 9 schedule while Ohio State played the number 38. I see what you mean.
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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 14, 2019 21:15:31 GMT
Another great example of teams that "Dominated" primarily because they played against very weak competition. In 1905 and 1909, football was still VERY new. Not many really had a clue HOW to even play. Yale had been playing for 30 years already. Totally unfair competition... but, that's all they had available to play.
Interesting stuff... I guess. About as interesting as Teddy Roosevelt's first trip to the Panama Canal and the invention of the "muffuletta" sandwich in New Orleans. These are also things that occurred in 1906.
Bevo, in the early 1900s Yale played the strongest CF competition available, nationwide, and hundreds of universities and colleges were fielding intercollegiate FB teams. It is ignorant to call those Ivy team opponents "weak". The not yet named Ivy League was even more dominant than the SEC of today and just as or even a bit more sleazy as far as winning at all costs. Wow, I had no idea I'm totally removing Alabama from the top 10 all-time list
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Post by Bevo on Aug 15, 2019 2:14:29 GMT
Another great example of teams that "Dominated" primarily because they played against very weak competition. In 1905 and 1909, football was still VERY new. Not many really had a clue HOW to even play. Yale had been playing for 30 years already. Totally unfair competition... but, that's all they had available to play.
Interesting stuff... I guess. About as interesting as Teddy Roosevelt's first trip to the Panama Canal and the invention of the "muffuletta" sandwich in New Orleans. These are also things that occurred in 1906.
Bevo, in the early 1900s Yale played the strongest CF competition available, nationwide, and hundreds of universities and colleges were fielding intercollegiate FB teams. It is ignorant to call those Ivy team opponents "weak". The not yet named Ivy League was even more dominant than the SEC of today and just as or even a bit more sleazy as far as winning at all costs. Hundreds of schools?? In 1906? I'm gonna call BS on that. The NCAA started around that time, and they only had about 60 schools at the beginning. Many schools were DROPPING football at that time, because it was too dangerous. Remember that? Yale was DOMINANT because, A) they were cheating.. worse than any team does today, and B) The other teams just weren't that good. Maybe, they weren't cheating enough. Fun Fact.. Teddy Roosevelt wanted to BAN football.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 15, 2019 4:18:12 GMT
in 1906 : Alaama was in its 15th season Arizona -8th Ariz St 10th Arkansas -14th Army -17th Auburn - 15th Baylor -8th Boston College -11th California - 25th Central Mich -11th Cincinnati- 22nd Clemson -11th Colorado - 17th Col State -12th
As you can see just about all the majors of today had well established FB programs and I've only gone, alphabetically, through Cs from the CF encyclopedia. Add in all the defunct programs that played back then and the smaller, less known colleges and yes- CF was well established. So why does it pain you so much to give the spots most dominant teams any credit at all ?
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Post by Hero on Aug 15, 2019 4:32:23 GMT
in 1906 : Alaama was in its 15th season Arizona -8th Ariz St 10th Arkansas -14th Army -17th Auburn - 15th Baylor -8th Boston College -11th California - 25th Central Mich -11th Cincinnati- 22nd Clemson -11th Colorado - 17th Col State -12th As you can see just about all the majors of today had well established FB programs and I've only gone, alphabetically, through Cs from the CF encyclopedia. Add in all the defunct programs that played back then and the smaller, less known colleges and yes- CF was well established. So why does it pain you so much to give the spots most dominant teams any credit at all ? Laughing
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Post by Bevo on Aug 15, 2019 12:21:45 GMT
in 1906 : Alaama was in its 15th season Arizona -8th Ariz St 10th Arkansas -14th Army -17th Auburn - 15th Baylor -8th Boston College -11th California - 25th Central Mich -11th Cincinnati- 22nd Clemson -11th Colorado - 17th Col State -12th As you can see just about all the majors of today had well established FB programs and I've only gone, alphabetically, through Cs from the CF encyclopedia. Add in all the defunct programs that played back then and the smaller, less known colleges and yes- CF was well established. So why does it pain you so much to give the spots most dominant teams any credit at all ? Nice start... you only have 186 more to go to have "Hundreds".
It doesn't pain me at all to disagree with you. Especially when you're wrong.
1906 Yale didn't WIN all their games. C'mon man! You can't be "most dominant" when you didn't win all your games.
Maybe, we just disagree on what "most dominant" means... I think, by definition, it includes a lack of competitive balance.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 15, 2019 12:35:24 GMT
I never had a chance to see them play, but... If I was looking for a "most dominant" team in CF history, I think I'd start by looking at Bud Wilkinson's Sooners. They went three full years without losing a game. That ain't shabby.
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Post by doc on Aug 15, 2019 13:11:51 GMT
Not taking anything away from Bama, they are what everyone aspires to be, but based on the math (and I did go to Ohio State) it appears that 21 of their wins the past 25 years have come over G5 competition or worse. I saw the stat above where they've only lost about 5 games in 5 years - does that change if they don't play The Citadel and teams like that - maybe play a highly ranked OOC game on their home field? I don't know but it's a legitimate question. Ohio State went 86-9 the 7 years under Meyer which is pretty phenomenal and yet my guess is Alabama and Clemson have been better. And based on the schedules, OSU was 17-0 over G5 teams over that stretch and 69-9 vs P5 teams. Based on math... Last year Alabama played 8 top 30 teams and Ohio State played 3. Alabama played the number 9 schedule while Ohio State played the number 38. I see what you mean. I was referring to the past 25 years, not just last year. How many non-conference, power 5 road wins does Alabama have the past 10 years? Have they played any?? Maybe they have but it seems the non conference games wind up being neutral site games in Atlanta or Dallas. And again, they clearly are the program that all others aspire to be.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 15, 2019 16:04:52 GMT
Something is way wrong here.... I count 252 wins for Bama in the past 25 years. Although, they do have 4 losing seasons in that time frame, where OSU only has one. Bama's complete domination really started 11 years ago. Bama had to vacate a bunch of wins for the textbook scandal - likely the difference Bama typically plays 1 less game per year against P5 schools than the average Big 10 team. They also schedule on average 1 game against an FCS school which is pretty much an anomaly for the Big 10.
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 15, 2019 16:27:50 GMT
Not taking anything away from Bama, they are what everyone aspires to be, but based on the math (and I did go to Ohio State) it appears that 21 of their wins the past 25 years have come over G5 competition or worse. I saw the stat above where they've only lost about 5 games in 5 years - does that change if they don't play The Citadel and teams like that - maybe play a highly ranked OOC game on their home field? I don't know but it's a legitimate question. Ohio State went 86-9 the 7 years under Meyer which is pretty phenomenal and yet my guess is Alabama and Clemson have been better. And based on the schedules, OSU was 17-0 over G5 teams over that stretch and 69-9 vs P5 teams. Based on math... Last year Alabama played 8 top 30 teams and Ohio State played 3. Alabama played the number 9 schedule while Ohio State played the number 38. I see what you mean. Careful using those maths.
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Post by Hero on Aug 15, 2019 16:54:59 GMT
Based on math... Last year Alabama played 8 top 30 teams and Ohio State played 3. Alabama played the number 9 schedule while Ohio State played the number 38. I see what you mean. I was referring to the past 25 years, not just last year. How many non-conference, power 5 road wins does Alabama have the past 10 years? Have they played any?? Maybe they have but it seems the non conference games wind up being neutral site games in Atlanta or Dallas. And again, they clearly are the program that all others aspire to be. You chose to make the points you wanted to make about Alabama scheduling. I chose to make different points. I would have been happy to make one comment on this thread about OSU which was “Ohio State amazing”. You chose this rabbit hole.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 15, 2019 18:00:18 GMT
Bama had to vacate a bunch of wins for the textbook scandal - likely the difference Bama typically plays 1 less game per year against P5 schools than the average Big 10 team. They also schedule on average 1 game against an FCS school which is pretty much an anomaly for the Big 10. They also typically end up playing TWO more games (In the CFP) than any B1G team against TOP competition.
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