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Post by Bevo on Oct 17, 2019 14:33:57 GMT
The great guessing game of mythical national championships. Have an inclusive championship playoff (like all other sports, including champ div FB) and no guessing necessary. Playing is better than voting Clemson has its best performance of the year, and they drop from #2 to #3 in the AP. Which is fine, the AP poll means nothing much....LSU has a far better resume (wins over Texas and Florida). The $64,000 question is why they didn’t also jump Alabama on the same reasoning??? Maybe because, Bama and LSU are going to play each other in a few weeks? So, it really doesn't matter.
Not that ANY of this matters.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Oct 17, 2019 14:50:48 GMT
For the THIRD time. after the 4 are selected for the CFP, the rest of the rankings are adjusted to meet contractual, and desired matchups in Bowl Games.. so, a #5 being ahead of an #6 means NOTHING. Where are you getting that information from? Totally disagree regarding the rankings beyond 4. If Ohio State was 5 they are still going to the Rose Bowl and does not change where UGA goes.
Joel Klatt had a pretty interesting perspective regarding the committee and the the selection process as a whole.
He seems to have the same perspective that I have. The committee focuses on the teams that are higher ranked and place more value on there game. They are essentially getting their information from ESPN. Check out the mratings composiste of the top 25. Cleary a different picture when you based things based on metrics and not opinions.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Oct 17, 2019 15:07:07 GMT
The great guessing game of mythical national championships. Have an inclusive championship playoff (like all other sports, including champ div FB) and no guessing necessary. Playing is better than voting Clemson has its best performance of the year, and they drop from #2 to #3 in the AP. Which is fine, the AP poll means nothing much....LSU has a far better resume (wins over Texas and Florida). The $64,000 question is why they didn’t also jump Alabama on the same reasoning??? These rankings make no sense. Bama who has beaten no one in the top 25 and has gotten off to several sluggish starts get the top spot. Meanwhile Wiscy, tOSU, PSU, and OU all have top 25 wins and all have been dominating (with the exception of maybe PSU) are all on the other side of LSU. Why do they keep talking about what a great win LSU had against Texas but the OU win over Texas is more or less an afterthought. |
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Post by Bevo on Oct 17, 2019 15:52:52 GMT
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Post by ajbuckeye on Oct 17, 2019 17:12:28 GMT
Now that one does look better to me and has nothing to do with tOSU on top:)
I do like the way they do high school football in Ohio and I am sure it is the same in most states. It's a computer poll that ranks all your wins and losses. It does not come out until halfway through the season. At least this way you have a better understanding of what you need to do to make the playoffs. The problem with a system like that for college is that there is a huge differentiation for how teams schedule and how you take that into consideration.
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Post by Bevo on Oct 17, 2019 21:27:50 GMT
Where are you getting that information from? I heard it explained by some guy on the Sirius College football channel. It made sense the way he described it. But, yea... as I look a the final Rankings last year, it shouldn't have made any difference between UGA and OSU. The rankings DO MATTER for bowl selection, since certain bowls take the highest ranked team not in the CFP. And, I suppose the committee might take that into account to get certain desired matchups, but, it clearly wouldn't have affected the difference between Ohio State and Georgia last year. Sorry.. thanks for challenging it. I suppose... the committee just looked at the entire season between UGA and OSU and decided that the Dawgs were more deserving. Georgia had just played the #1 team toe to toe, looking good doing it... while OSU played a rather weak Northwestern team. Couple that with the huge loss to Purdue, and a couple of squeaker games against others, UGA definitely 'looked better' at that point in the season. And, it didn't really matter. So, why would they argue about it? |
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Post by bluehen on Oct 17, 2019 23:57:55 GMT
Fellers, I can't hep but think that these polls do, indeed, have influence on the DPI 'committee'. To what degree ? ....hard to say.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Oct 18, 2019 2:31:25 GMT
I certainly don't agree about UGA looking better. tOSU just put up 60 on what was viewed as one of the best defenses in the land and were destined for the playoff. Again the view after that game was that maybe ttun was overrated. UGA just lost their last game with another loss to boot. Listen to Joel Klatt and his view on how rankings affect these decisions. I think Hen put it best, the polls do have some influence but the debate we have is the significance. One thing we can agree on it is somewhere between the AJ and Bevo position.
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Post by Bevo on Oct 18, 2019 2:32:08 GMT
Fellers, I can't hep but think that these polls do, indeed, have influence on the DPI 'committee'. To what degree ? ....hard to say. I don’t agree with that. They have ALL the real information that they want. If we’re smart enough to know the AP polls are useless, I think committee members know it too. |
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Post by ajbuckeye on Oct 18, 2019 2:51:34 GMT
Fellers, I can't hep but think that these polls do, indeed, have influence on the DPI 'committee'. To what degree ? ....hard to say. I don’t agree with that. They have ALL the real information that they want. If we’re smart enough to know the AP polls are useless, I think committee members know it too. You are giving them way to much credit. The problem is the polls have a big opinion component which has a significant influence on the info that is received. Considering that the committee is a group of individuals basing their opinions on other opinions is a a huge issue to me. |
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Post by bluehen on Oct 18, 2019 13:10:03 GMT
I can't imagine that the DPI committee people aren't aware of how many 'ranked' teams the contenders have played, beaten, lost to etc. That's a clear influence. The whole mythical system is predicated on 'ranked, ranked ranked' and more 'ranked'.
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Post by Bevo on Oct 18, 2019 13:15:29 GMT
If you were on the committee, would you be heavily influenced by the AP poll?
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Post by bluehen on Oct 19, 2019 13:14:48 GMT
Good question, Bevo. I don't think so
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Post by Bevo on Oct 19, 2019 18:35:21 GMT
Good question, Bevo. I don't think so I don’t think I would either, Hen. Well, these people on the committee are people who know and love college football. I’m 100% sure each one is proud to be a member and to have ultimate control over the selection process. I can’t see them allowing themselves to be overly influenced by the dumbest poll in the planet. Nor the babbling bobble heads on ESPN. I assume they take their jobs seriously and take full advantage of the reams of data and video at their disposal. I know, if I had that job, that’s how I would operate. And, I’m sure you would as well. I like to believe they’re at least as competent as We would be. Maybe, I’m just naive? |
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 20, 2019 14:11:29 GMT
Where are you getting that information from? Totally disagree regarding the rankings beyond 4. If Ohio State was 5 they are still going to the Rose Bowl and does not change where UGA goes.
Joel Klatt had a pretty interesting perspective regarding the committee and the the selection process as a whole.
He seems to have the same perspective that I have. The committee focuses on the teams that are higher ranked and place more value on there game. They are essentially getting their information from ESPN. Check out the mratings composiste of the top 25. Cleary a different picture when you based things based on metrics and not opinions.
About that Wisconsin team...Klatt should eat a shit sandwich for this--Illy is one of the worst teams in the P5. The playoff will workout just fine. Joel Klatt had Clemson ranked #7 overall. Yikes. If u have Clem at 3 or 4--fine. Maybe even 5. But below Wisc and Penn St (who eeked by Pitt 17-10??), come on now... I like how he can’t ignore Clemson struggling with UNC but he's gonna pretend Penn State wasn’t trailing Buffalo at halftime and barely beat Pitt. |
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