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Post by stumpystew on Dec 10, 2019 16:52:30 GMT
Why should it not? We are not talking about the 450 lb person, this is the perceived (by some) as the 98lb weakling. Why should it? Because all the teams in FBS play under the same rule. Same number of scholarships, same NCAA regulations, start time dictated by ESPN, every thing. The G5 are excluded because they are thought of as not as good as the P5, because the stadiums ain't as large, don't play on TV every week, don't have as much money, all the 5 star players are at P5 schools. They are excluded because the big boys don't want to share the money and power. It is all about fairness and a level playing field for teams that are on the same level. The G5 are not asking the P5 share there conference revenue (which they would like) or help from them to build facilities, just an opportunity to have a shot at the championship. As American as you can get.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 10, 2019 17:27:38 GMT
Why should it not? We are not talking about the 450 lb person, this is the perceived (by some) as the 98lb weakling. Why should it? Because all the teams in FBS play under the same rule. Same number of scholarships, same NCAA regulations, start time dictated by ESPN, every thing. The G5 are excluded because they are thought of as not as good as the P5, because the stadiums ain't as large, don't play on TV every week, don't have as much money, all the 5 star players are at P5 schools. They are excluded because the big boys don't want to share the money and power. It is all about fairness and a level playing field for teams that are on the same level. The G5 are not asking the P5 share there conference revenue (which they would like) or help from them to build facilities, just an opportunity to have a shot at the championship. As American as you can get. How will it improve the level of competition? Changing the system for an opportunity of a 1% occurrence hardly seems worth the risk. You could start basketball with the sweet sixteen and be perfectly fine...rarely has the champion been outside a top 4 seed. |
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Post by ajbuckeye on Dec 10, 2019 18:10:25 GMT
UCF has a 2017 Banner hanging in their stadium and to me is as legitimate as any other FBS championship banners. I can preface with P5 if that quells your concern. I pay no mind to UCF. They would’ve been destroyed by Clemson or Alabama. They absolutely didn’t have a claim to #1, but if you’d rather preface the conversation with P5, I agree I’m fine with that too, because G5 might as well make their own division. Expand to 6 and #7 will cry. Expand to 8 and #9 will cry. Expand to 64 and South Carolina will cry. No serious, thinking football fans take their claimed championship seriously. Pretty sure UCF beat Auburn who beat both UGA and BAMA who were in the finals. That alone legitimizes there claim to the national championship. Oh and by the way, they were the only undefeated team in the nation. |
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Post by stumpystew on Dec 10, 2019 18:22:37 GMT
How will it diminish competition?
It is the opportunity that makes it worth it. A Sun Belt team may never win in this playoff, but at least it is proven on the field, not by some talking head saying I don't think you're good enough, so you can't play. How many times has that happen, the perceived no-account win and win it all.
In basketball, while rare, you have seen it happen. And you've seen so called mid-majors make it to the Final 4, and even the championship game. Why exclude them because someone says, you ain't good enough.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 10, 2019 18:34:20 GMT
I can preface with P5 if that quells your concern. I pay no mind to UCF. They would’ve been destroyed by Clemson or Alabama. They absolutely didn’t have a claim to #1, but if you’d rather preface the conversation with P5, I agree I’m fine with that too, because G5 might as well make their own division. Expand to 6 and #7 will cry. Expand to 8 and #9 will cry. Expand to 64 and South Carolina will cry. No serious, thinking football fans take their claimed championship seriously. Pretty sure UCF beat Auburn who beat both UGA and BAMA who were in the finals. That alone legitimizes there claim to the national championship. Oh and by the way, they were the only undefeated team in the nation. That one game doesn't legitimize anything related to being #1. All of the G5 teams are eligible a spot, it's simply that none of the G5 teams will earn a ranking high enough at the end of the season. Maybe if a G5 schedules and beats 3 P5 teams.... If anything FCS playoff needs to shrink...like March Madness 64 is ridiculous. When is the last time a 9 seed won it all, or even ran deep? |
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Post by doc on Dec 10, 2019 19:11:16 GMT
In this decade....highly seeded Final Four participants.
2017 - #11 Loyola (Chi)
2017 - #7 South Carolina
2016 - #8 Syracuse
2014 - #8 Kentucky
2013 - #11 Wichita State
2011 - #11 VCU (last team in the tournament)
So it does occasionally happen.
I would be fine with 8 but then everyone would be crying that #9 Florida and # 8 Wisconsin got screwed as I'd assume the highest G5 team would also be selected.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 10, 2019 21:01:33 GMT
4 teams is NEVER enough. You have Appalachian sitting there are 12-1, along with Memphis and Boise St, and they are not even in the conversation. Hell, they were excluded from the conversation before the first coin was flipped. Anything short of 16 is not enough. You have all 10 conference champions plus6 at large, seeded, and start play this weekend at the higher seeds stadium. Then do the same thing the next Saturday on campus, a week of for the holiday, then the semis either on New years or Saturday, at a bowl or(my preference) on campus, followed by a championship game at a neutral site. That is how it should be done. Now I know I will get responses like these teams don't play anybody, ruins the regular season, the G5 ain't deserving, makes the season too long, sets the kids up for injury, the G5 will never win, and other excuses, but it does not seem to hurt the other divisions or EVERY state high school association. And if the G5 does not get a chance, we will never know. The non power conferences seem to do okay in other sports. 16 is silly. This makes conference affiliation wildly over-important. You realize you'll get San Diego State making the playoff more than say, Florida, Georgia, TCU, Oregon Washington, etc. That's honestly ridiculous. |
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Post by ajbuckeye on Dec 10, 2019 21:05:12 GMT
Pretty sure UCF beat Auburn who beat both UGA and BAMA who were in the finals. That alone legitimizes there claim to the national championship. Oh and by the way, they were the only undefeated team in the nation. That one game doesn't legitimize anything related to being #1. All of the G5 teams are eligible a spot, it's simply that none of the G5 teams will earn a ranking high enough at the end of the season. Maybe if a G5 schedules and beats 3 P5 teams.... If anything FCS playoff needs to shrink...like March Madness 64 is ridiculous. When is the last time a 9 seed won it all, or even ran deep? Are G5's truly eligible. Looking back at 2017 Which team is more deserving. Team A undefeated vs top MCFP 25 W#20 W#20 Team B 1 loss vs top MCFP 25 L#7 W#17 W#23
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 10, 2019 21:16:28 GMT
That one game doesn't legitimize anything related to being #1. All of the G5 teams are eligible a spot, it's simply that none of the G5 teams will earn a ranking high enough at the end of the season. Maybe if a G5 schedules and beats 3 P5 teams.... If anything FCS playoff needs to shrink...like March Madness 64 is ridiculous. When is the last time a 9 seed won it all, or even ran deep? Are G5's truly eligible. Looking back at 2017 Which team is more deserving. Team A undefeated vs top MCFP 25 W#20 W#20 Team B 1 loss vs top MCFP 25 L#7 W#17 W#23
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Post by stumpystew on Dec 10, 2019 21:38:09 GMT
Conference affiliation is overly important now. Only those in the P5 (with the exception of Notre Dame) can be in the playoff. It is where the "toughness" of schedule comes in to count. If Clemson was not undefeated, they would not be in because the ACC is "weak" this year. The SEC gets 2 teams because "it is so tough". These conferences dominate the polls because of the conference affiliation. P5 teams with worse records are ranked ahead of G5 with better records because of "tougher schedule". Even among the P5 it makes a difference. Baylor, undefeated, slowly climbs up the polls, while if Florida was undefeated when they played UGA, both would have been top 5.
Under my proposal, yes, ALL conference champions make it. While the "experts" and talking heads say winning the MWC is easier than the SEC, it is still tough to do. Like all conferences, you play most of the same teams every year and know their tendencies. And they WON something. So the champion of the MWC should go in over the 5th play SEC team
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 10, 2019 22:05:08 GMT
Conference affiliation is overly important now. Only those in the P5 (with the exception of Notre Dame) can be in the playoff. It is where the "toughness" of schedule comes in to count. If Clemson was not undefeated, they would not be in because the ACC is "weak" this year. The SEC gets 2 teams because "it is so tough". These conferences dominate the polls because of the conference affiliation. P5 teams with worse records are ranked ahead of G5 with better records because of "tougher schedule". Even among the P5 it makes a difference. Baylor, undefeated, slowly climbs up the polls, while if Florida was undefeated when they played UGA, both would have been top 5. Under my proposal, yes, ALL conference champions make it. While the "experts" and talking heads say winning the MWC is easier than the SEC, it is still tough to do. Like all conferences, you play most of the same teams every year and know their tendencies. And they WON something. So the champion of the MWC should go in over the 5th play SEC team Awarding conference champs seems silly as well. Say, by some fluke, UVA had beaten Clemson...injury maybe... You're gonna put UVA in over Auburn, ND (who beat UVA H2H and has better record), Florida (who is favored by a TD in their bowl), Wisoncisin, Bama and Utah? Are you gonna put Memphis in over all of those teams too? Oregon? |
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Post by bluehen on Dec 11, 2019 3:04:23 GMT
A 4 team playoff is certainly enough if there were only 4 FBS conferences.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 11, 2019 3:07:11 GMT
I can preface with P5 if that quells your concern. I pay no mind to UCF. They would’ve been destroyed by Clemson or Alabama. They absolutely didn’t have a claim to #1, but if you’d rather preface the conversation with P5, I agree I’m fine with that too, because G5 might as well make their own division. Expand to 6 and #7 will cry. Expand to 8 and #9 will cry. Expand to 64 and South Carolina will cry. No serious, thinking football fans take their claimed championship seriously. Pretty sure UCF beat Auburn who beat both UGA and BAMA who were in the finals. That alone legitimizes there claim to the national championship. Oh and by the way, they were the only undefeated team in the nation. The elitists that prefer every exclusive playoffs tend to forget things like that AJ. Keep hammering . |
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 11, 2019 11:36:05 GMT
Pretty sure UCF beat Auburn who beat both UGA and BAMA who were in the finals. That alone legitimizes there claim to the national championship. Oh and by the way, they were the only undefeated team in the nation. The elitists that prefer every exclusive playoffs tend to forget things like that AJ. Keep hammering . AQ bids have ruined the NCAA tournament. I guess they feel like if they invite enough sketchy teams with 0 chance, they might find 2 that advance a round or two to sell TV time and some local tickets. |
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 11, 2019 12:02:51 GMT
How will it diminish competition? It is the opportunity that makes it worth it. A Sun Belt team may never win in this playoff, but at least it is proven on the field, not by some talking head saying I don't think you're good enough, so you can't play. How many times has that happen, the perceived no-account win and win it all. In basketball, while rare, you have seen it happen. And you've seen so called mid-majors make it to the Final 4, and even the championship game. Why exclude them because someone says, you ain't good enough. So, opportunity is worth having Bama beat San Diego State by 35 points every year in the first round of the playoffs? how does that improve the competition? "Memphis should be #4 this year instead of Oklahoma" - right, so we support having no criteria - no best team or most deserving team? So we just support helping those teams from poor conferences. That's a weird criteria. I guess if Bama, Clemson and Ohio State had not dominated so much, fewer people might be pushing the weak argument of expansion. |
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