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Post by bluehen on Jan 15, 2020 18:17:57 GMT
...and 'what if' questions have been good fun on sports forum discussions forever. Hopefully even Bevo might find a little fun with it 
Question """""""""""""
What if the NFL DID NOT use a playoff to determine its final four ( AFC & NFC champ game finalists)...but instead used an FBS college football system of a conference room VOTE to 'appoint' a final four .. which teams would likely be playing in these conference champ games on Sunday ??
I'm not as an astute NFL follower as some of you guys are so , for fun, interested in your opinions.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 15, 2020 18:33:42 GMT
More BS
You’re not fooling anyone Hen
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Post by bluehen on Jan 16, 2020 3:51:30 GMT
If the NFL used a CFP style opinion-voted system instead of an on field playoff to determine its final four would we have Baltimore vs New England in the AFC champ game ? and New Orleans in the NFC champ game ? Don't know...just asking opinions.
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 16, 2020 14:49:17 GMT
With 37 years of data (playing with #1 seeds at home), 34 of the 37 Super Bowl winners have been a 1,2,3 or 4 seed.
28 have been a 1 or 2 seed.
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Post by bluehen on Jan 16, 2020 15:07:54 GMT
ok cpa...but still looking for an answer to the question |
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 16, 2020 15:32:20 GMT
ok cpa...but still looking for an answer to the question The data would suggest yes, only four teams needed to determine NFL playoff. |
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Post by doc on Jan 16, 2020 15:47:24 GMT
It's two different levels, two different games. The NFL has NEVER decided their championships the way college championships are decided. Obviously if the NFL did their selection by committee and only selected 4 teams Baltimore, New Orleans, Kansas City and SF would have made the playoff. That's pretty easy to figure. New England fans would be crying that they got robbed but they should have never lost to Miami in the last week of the season just like Ohio State should have never lost to Purdue or Iowa. But the NFL doesn't do it like college and never will. They do seed the teams and higher seeds get home games - that doesn't happen in college, they play at neutral sites.
Every player in the NFL is a 'professional' (well, at least they're paid to be one) - a great college team might have 15 -20 potential professionals. The difference between good and bad in the NFL truly comes down to a couple plays a game. The Bengals went 2-14 but there were 8 games where they lost by a TD or less. They can be competitive with anyone. In college that's not the case. You don't need more teams in a playoff because there's a pretty dramatic difference between great and good in college.
Tennessee is winning with a style that no one plays in the NFL. They got hot at the right time and it's up to their opponent to figure out how to stop it. If KC comes out and scores a quick 24 points, Tennessee is in trouble. Baltimore let them play their style of game and they couldn't come back, they choked.
The three biggest upsets in college last year were Illinois over Wisconsin, K-State over Oklahoma and South Carolina over Georgia. Obviously one of those teams were considered great or good but two of the upsets happened at home when the loser may have been looking ahead to a bigger game the following week. Miami was one of the worst teams in the NFL and they beat New England in the final week when NE had to win to secure a bye in the playoffs. They're all pros. It's a different game and level. They do things dfferently.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 16, 2020 16:01:10 GMT
It's two different levels, two different games. The NFL has NEVER decided their championships the way college championships are decided. Obviously if the NFL did their selection by committee and only selected 4 teams Baltimore, New Orleans, Kansas City and SF would have made the playoff. That's pretty easy to figure. New England fans would be crying that they got robbed but they should have never lost to Miami in the last week of the season just like Ohio State should have never lost to Purdue or Iowa. But the NFL doesn't do it like college and never will. They do seed the teams and higher seeds get home games - that doesn't happen in college, they play at neutral sites. Every player in the NFL is a 'professional' (well, at least they're paid to be one) - a great college team might have 15 -20 potential professionals. The difference between good and bad in the NFL truly comes down to a couple plays a game. The Bengals went 2-14 but there were 8 games where they lost by a TD or less. They can be competitive with anyone. In college that's not the case. You don't need more teams in a playoff because there's a pretty dramatic difference between great and good in college. Tennessee is winning with a style that no one plays in the NFL. They got hot at the right time and it's up to their opponent to figure out how to stop it. If KC comes out and scores a quick 24 points, Tennessee is in trouble. Baltimore let them play their style of game and they couldn't come back, they choked. The three biggest upsets in college last year were Illinois over Wisconsin, K-State over Oklahoma and South Carolina over Georgia. Obviously one of those teams were considered great or good but two of the upsets happened at home when the loser may have been looking ahead to a bigger game the following week. Miami was one of the worst teams in the NFL and they beat New England in the final week when NE had to win to secure a bye in the playoffs. They're all pros. It's a different game and level. They do things dfferently. IMO< Green Bay would have been chosen over New Orleans. The Packers had a better conference record. It would have been close. But, it doesn't matter. An inclusive playoff format is EASY when you only have 32 teams made up of players who's full time job is Playing football. It's not easy when you have 120+ teams that play in 10 conferences that have VASTLY DIFFERENT levels of competition, all while trying to have players who actually attend classes. Hen knows all this, guys. He's just spouting nonsense to, once again, cast shade on FBS football. We all know the system is not perfect, but we all also know the reasons why. The system in use today, so far, seems to work pretty damn well. Hen will never be satisfied until all the mutts in the bloated FBS division have their shot the Championship. No matter how undeserving. |
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Post by bluehen on Jan 16, 2020 16:27:37 GMT
ok cpa...but still looking for an answer to the question The data would suggest yes, only four teams needed to determine NFL playoff. but cpa, I didn't ask how many teams are needed ( iyo) for an NFL playoff. I simply asked, numerous times, what teams would be playing Sunday had the NFL used a voting system instead of its playoff to determine a final four. |
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Post by bluehen on Jan 16, 2020 16:31:36 GMT
Bevo (thanks) offers a hint of an answer to the question....in his opinion Green Bay would have been 'voted' over New Orleans. Who would the other 3 voted teams be, iyo, Bevo ?
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Post by EvilVodka on Jan 16, 2020 18:46:14 GMT
hen, you just got about 3 different answers showing how you are wrong
give it up man
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Post by doc on Jan 16, 2020 19:00:59 GMT
It's two different levels, two different games. The NFL has NEVER decided their championships the way college championships are decided. Obviously if the NFL did their selection by committee and only selected 4 teams Baltimore, New Orleans, Kansas City and SF would have made the playoff. That's pretty easy to figure. New England fans would be crying that they got robbed but they should have never lost to Miami in the last week of the season just like Ohio State should have never lost to Purdue or Iowa. But the NFL doesn't do it like college and never will. They do seed the teams and higher seeds get home games - that doesn't happen in college, they play at neutral sites. Every player in the NFL is a 'professional' (well, at least they're paid to be one) - a great college team might have 15 -20 potential professionals. The difference between good and bad in the NFL truly comes down to a couple plays a game. The Bengals went 2-14 but there were 8 games where they lost by a TD or less. They can be competitive with anyone. In college that's not the case. You don't need more teams in a playoff because there's a pretty dramatic difference between great and good in college. Tennessee is winning with a style that no one plays in the NFL. They got hot at the right time and it's up to their opponent to figure out how to stop it. If KC comes out and scores a quick 24 points, Tennessee is in trouble. Baltimore let them play their style of game and they couldn't come back, they choked. The three biggest upsets in college last year were Illinois over Wisconsin, K-State over Oklahoma and South Carolina over Georgia. Obviously one of those teams were considered great or good but two of the upsets happened at home when the loser may have been looking ahead to a bigger game the following week. Miami was one of the worst teams in the NFL and they beat New England in the final week when NE had to win to secure a bye in the playoffs. They're all pros. It's a different game and level. They do things dfferently. IMO< Green Bay would have been chosen over New Orleans. The Packers had a better conference record. It would have been close. But, it doesn't matter. An inclusive playoff format is EASY when you only have 32 teams made up of players who's full time job is Playing football. It's not easy when you have 120+ teams that play in 10 conferences that have VASTLY DIFFERENT levels of competition, all while trying to have players who actually attend classes. Hen knows all this, guys. He's just spouting nonsense to, once again, cast shade on FBS football. We all know the system is not perfect, but we all also know the reasons why. The system in use today, so far, seems to work pretty damn well. Hen will never be satisfied until all the mutts in the bloated FBS division have their shot the Championship. No matter how undeserving. You are right - I actually picked New Orleans to go to the Super Bowl but forgot they had to play in the Wild Card round - it would have been the Packers...who are actually right where they're supposed to be, as are the 49ers and the Chiefs. Baltimore was obviously the only top seed to lose...and they ran up against the team that knocked out the defending champs. |
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Post by bluehen on Jan 16, 2020 21:14:34 GMT
Ok finally an answer. Thanks doc. 3 of the 4 (IYO) wold likely have been 'voted' into the final four if the NFL used that approach rather than a playoff to determine the final four. So simple.
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