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Post by Bevo on Jan 22, 2020 4:33:23 GMT
No tricky titles here.... Just a topic to pick up on the thoughts of various members here on a "hot topic" before the country....
My thoughts, as of today:
I think, this is the STUPIDEST impeachment I have ever seen. It is 100%, non-serious on the part of the Democrats. There IS NO CRIME here. Asking a foreign government to investigate an obviously corrupt US politician does NOT equal "cheating in the next election"..... period. I think the Dems are pushing this ONLY because, they KNOW they can't beat Trump.
That said, I think the Dems have had a better day today than the Trump team. The Dems came in prepared to make ALL their arguments today, during the arguments about procedure, knowing that they probably won't get another shot. They win today, barely... but, they LOSE on substance. They have NO CASE for impeachment... especially in an election year.
Frankly, I have a hard time respecting ANY Democrat that supports this. I try.... but, I cannot. WIN, at the ballot. Not with this kind of sham process.
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 22, 2020 14:29:50 GMT
No tricky titles here.... Just a topic to pick up on the thoughts of various members here on a "hot topic" before the country.... My thoughts, as of today: I think, this is the STUPIDEST impeachment I have ever seen. It is 100%, non-serious on the part of the Democrats. There IS NO CRIME here. Asking a foreign government to investigate an obviously corrupt US politician does NOT equal "cheating in the next election"..... period. I think the Dems are pushing this ONLY because, they KNOW they can't beat Trump. That said, I think the Dems have had a better day today than the Trump team. The Dems came in prepared to make ALL their arguments today, during the arguments about procedure, knowing that they probably won't get another shot. They win today, barely... but, they LOSE on substance. They have NO CASE for impeachment... especially in an election year. Frankly, I have a hard time respecting ANY Democrat that supports this. I try.... but, I cannot. WIN, at the ballot. Not with this kind of sham process. Exactly. “Abuse of Power” is not a crime, and “Obstruction of Congress” is not a crime. No amount of wordsmithing by the House managers can shoehorn either of these “offenses” into any criminal statute. This is political theater.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 22, 2020 14:45:40 GMT
This is political theater. It's BAD theater. I NEVER hear ANYONE talking about it. It's like, um... hey everyone, they're trying to REMOVE the PRESIDENT from office? And, no one cares... at all? What if they held an impeachment, and no one noticed?
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Post by bluehen on Jan 22, 2020 18:47:02 GMT
Sure you want my thoughts ? ...Ok, if you insist:
The buffoonish, lying, arrogant ass hole is absolutely guilty. trump knows it, Ukraine officials know it, his WH puppets know it, the cowardly senate republicans, who are terrified of him, know it and most intelligent educated Americans know it. HOWEVER, is an instance of self serving foreign policy sleaze warrant removal from office ??... Debatable. This stuff has probably gone on before. I can think of dozens of other reasons why he is unfit for the job. BTW, the Bidens are probably guilty of self serving Ukraine sleaze too. Anyway, I'm resolved to 5 more years of this trump but at least there will be great comedy to look forward to. The Dems strategy for dumping trump has not been coherent.
Over and Out
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Post by Bevo on Jan 22, 2020 19:51:11 GMT
Sure you want my thoughts ? ...Ok, if you insist: The buffoonish, lying, arrogant ass hole is absolutely guilty. trump knows it, Ukraine officials know it, his WH puppets know it, the cowardly senate republicans, who are terrified of him, know it and most intelligent educated Americans know it. HOWEVER, is an instance of self serving foreign policy sleaze warrant removal from office ??... Debatable. This stuff has probably gone on before. I can think of dozens of other reasons why he is unfit for the job. BTW, the Bidens are probably guilty of self serving Ukraine sleaze too. Anyway, I'm resolved to 5 more years of this trump but at least there will be great comedy to look forward to. The Dems strategy for dumping trump has not been coherent. Over and Out Guilty of what? Of holding up aid for a few days while trying to get the new Ukrainian President to agree to investigate Hunter Biden's shenanigans? Uh.. Yea. OK. I have NO doubt that he did that. But, impeachable? Puh-lease. Someone SHOULD be investigating Hunter Biden. He's a sleaze of the worst kind. I get that the Dems hate Trump. He's an ogre. But, what they're doing now is just ridiculous.
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Post by EvilVodka on Jan 23, 2020 0:30:03 GMT
when this is over, and Trump wins in 2020, I hope they arrest everyone attempting this coup
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 23, 2020 14:01:31 GMT
Sure you want my thoughts ? ...Ok, if you insist: The buffoonish, lying, arrogant ass hole is absolutely guilty. trump knows it, Ukraine officials know it, his WH puppets know it, the cowardly senate republicans, who are terrified of him, know it and most intelligent educated Americans know it. HOWEVER, is an instance of self serving foreign policy sleaze warrant removal from office ??... Debatable. This stuff has probably gone on before. I can think of dozens of other reasons why he is unfit for the job. BTW, the Bidens are probably guilty of self serving Ukraine sleaze too. Anyway, I'm resolved to 5 more years of this trump but at least there will be great comedy to look forward to. The Dems strategy for dumping trump has not been coherent. Over and Out Guilty of what? Of holding up aid for a few days while trying to get the new Ukrainian President to agree to investigate Hunter Biden's shenanigans? Uh.. Yea. OK. I have NO doubt that he did that. But, impeachable? Puh-lease. Someone SHOULD be investigating Hunter Biden. He's a sleaze of the worst kind. I get that the Dems hate Trump. He's an ogre. But, what they're doing now is just ridiculous. Not just Hunter, but the whole family. They have been trading their family name for access and cash for decades.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 23, 2020 15:35:29 GMT
I heard Jonah Goldberg on the radio this morning... naturally, saying how horrible this was. But, even he said he wasn't sure this was impeachable.
Some of the arguments the Dems keep making are just ridiculous. Do they REALLY want to say that the President doesn't have the right to delay Foreign Aid to any country just because Congress approved it? He certainly can. For ANY reason, but for sure... if there are legitimate concerns about corruption.
Do they really want to say a President cannot request assistance from a foreign country in investigating corruption that occurred IN that country, if the target of the investigation is, or MIGHT be a future Presidential candidate? How absurd.
No... If Trump was holding up the aid until Don Jr. got an appointment in the Burisma Board of Directors, I'd have a real problem with that. Asking for investigation into shady money laundering deals? I have NO problem with it. In fact, I'm HAPPY about it.
Trump was using his rightful power, as President. And, the Dems just hate it.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 23, 2020 15:53:45 GMT
Here's another aspect that I think could be interesting: I keep hearing Dems refer to the 9-0 Supreme Court ruling against Nixon when he tried to invoke executive privilege. They think that sets a precedent that Trump can't invoke privilege to prevent Bolton or Mulvaney from testifying. I think they're wrong. The stuff Nixon was trying coverup literally have nothing to do with National Security or even legitimate Presidential duties. Bolton was the National Security Advisor... by definition, the things he knows are related to national security and actions taken by the President in line with his duties. I think the SC would uphold it.
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 23, 2020 16:11:24 GMT
Here's another aspect that I think could be interesting: I keep hearing Dems refer to the 9-0 Supreme Court ruling against Nixon when he tried to invoke executive privilege. They think that sets a precedent that Trump can't invoke privilege to prevent Bolton or Mulvaney from testifying. I think they're wrong. The stuff Nixon was trying coverup literally have nothing to do with National Security or even legitimate Presidential duties. Bolton was the National Security Advisor... by definition, the things he knows are related to national security and actions taken by the President in line with his duties. I think the SC would uphold it. Agree.
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Post by Hero on Jan 24, 2020 12:09:04 GMT
No tricky titles here.... Just a topic to pick up on the thoughts of various members here on a "hot topic" before the country.... My thoughts, as of today: I think, this is the STUPIDEST impeachment I have ever seen. It is 100%, non-serious on the part of the Democrats. There IS NO CRIME here. Asking a foreign government to investigate an obviously corrupt US politician does NOT equal "cheating in the next election"..... period. I think the Dems are pushing this ONLY because, they KNOW they can't beat Trump. That said, I think the Dems have had a better day today than the Trump team. The Dems came in prepared to make ALL their arguments today, during the arguments about procedure, knowing that they probably won't get another shot. They win today, barely... but, they LOSE on substance. They have NO CASE for impeachment... especially in an election year. Frankly, I have a hard time respecting ANY Democrat that supports this. I try.... but, I cannot. WIN, at the ballot. Not with this kind of sham process. This is political theater. Winner, winner chicken dinner.
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Post by EvilVodka on Jan 24, 2020 18:33:56 GMT
This is political theater. Winner, winner chicken dinner. I think it's a lot more than just political theater i think it's the democrats's last sad attempt to cover their own asses. Funny how the more they try and dig up dirt on Trump, the more they expose themselves as completely fraudulent liars. They know when all of this swings back the other way, which it will, many of them will be in jail
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Post by Bevo on Jan 24, 2020 19:35:26 GMT
Funny... the Hamilton quote these guys were all trying to say was a perfect description of Trump on the first day, comes from a letter Hamilton wrote to Washington talking about TAX policy. It had nothing to do with impeachment. Impeachment is never mentioned in the letter.
I don't know how you can every put any of these guys in jail. Just INVESTIGATING them is an assault on National Security.
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Post by bluehen on Jan 24, 2020 19:35:37 GMT
They can have good jail time debates with all those assorted 'honorable' trump buddies , cronies and ass kissers that are already there. It would make for good realty TV.
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Post by bluehen on Jan 29, 2020 3:27:38 GMT
There aren't any hairline fractures developing in the Senate cover -up trial....are there ?
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