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Post by bluehen on Jan 16, 2022 13:27:43 GMT
Good to hear, Bevo. I take a multi-vitamin/ mineral tablet daily plus a separate calcium & D, a fish oil and fiber gummies. I also have trust in the V.A. care I'm getting and follow their covid protocols. Best health wishes to all of us
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Post by Bevo on Jan 16, 2022 16:04:45 GMT
Healthy young people can, a symptomatically , sicken and kill older fat people. It's a matter of choosing to be part of the problem or part of the fight and solution If only that were true, Hen, we wouldn’t have a problem. These vaxxes DON’T keep people from spreading it. Older and fatter people need to protect themselves by getting a vax, a booster, and a closet full of N95 masks.
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 16, 2022 16:19:44 GMT
Can we stop calling it a vaccine?
Anything you have to take 3-4 times in 12 months, and STILL get infected shouldn't be called a vaccine.
call it anything else.
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 16, 2022 17:04:16 GMT
Another person from Elk Creek just passed from Covid....a sweet lady about Jackie's age....un vaxed, of course. Grayson Co. ia a beautiful place to live but it's not exactly the cerebral epicenter of Virginia with about a 50% vaxed rate. What's the reason your son won;t get vaxed ? Covid vax hesitancy is partially the result of arrogant "public health experts" (another term we should get rid of) resorting to coercion and threats rather than reason, persuasion, and informed consent.
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 19, 2022 19:54:26 GMT
Sorry to hear, Hen.
One of my CPA buddies in Knoxville got covid either in Reno or Tahoe, he's not sure.
Bed ridden for 14 days with Omicron. He's easily 50+ lbs overweight, so hit him very hard. he couldn't even climb a set of stairs without stopping halfway.
Thanks to God, and as of this morning, I've dropped 64 lbs in the last 20 months.
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Post by aufan on Jan 19, 2022 20:36:14 GMT
Healthy young people can, a symptomatically , sicken and kill older fat people. It's a matter of choosing to be part of the problem or part of the fight and solution If only that were true, Hen, we wouldn’t have a problem. These vaxxes DON’T keep people from spreading it. Older and fatter people need to protect themselves by getting a vax, a booster, and a closet full of N95 masks. Vaccines don’t reduce spread? News to me. Is this like saying masks don’t reduce spread?
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 19, 2022 21:29:02 GMT
If only that were true, Hen, we wouldn’t have a problem. These vaxxes DON’T keep people from spreading it. Older and fatter people need to protect themselves by getting a vax, a booster, and a closet full of N95 masks. Vaccines don’t reduce spread? News to me. Is this like saying masks don’t reduce spread? It was the CDC director, IIRC, who stated that the COVID 19 "vaccines" do not prevent transmission in earlier this month. The JCCF published in December that, unfortunately, and contrary to government-led narratives (Biden: If you get this shot, you will not get COVID) and media coverage in both Canada and the U.S., the evidence strongly suggests COVID vaccinations do not stop the spread. Similar for masks, they do very little to stop transmission, according to Univ of Louiville and US Army Surgical Research studies, among others. This is consistent with pre-COVID literature as well.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 19, 2022 22:06:17 GMT
If only that were true, Hen, we wouldn’t have a problem. These vaxxes DON’T keep people from spreading it. Older and fatter people need to protect themselves by getting a vax, a booster, and a closet full of N95 masks. Vaccines don’t reduce spread? News to me. Is this like saying masks don’t reduce spread? Yes... and yes. It's very obvious. Try to keep up. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm7104e1_w
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Post by aufan on Jan 19, 2022 22:44:41 GMT
They seem to draw a different conclusion than you…. Why does this not surprise me.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 20, 2022 1:11:38 GMT
They seem to draw a different conclusion than you…. Why does this not surprise me. LOL I grabbed the wrong link. That is the CDC's answer to EVERYTHING, no matter what their data shows. In fact, this paper does show data that documents the continued spread of covid by people who are vaccinated. It also shows that people who were never vaccinated, but previously had COVID have approximately the same protection... Even BETTER protection against being reinfected. How about THIS one" www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-director-covid-vaccines-cant-prevent-transmission-anymore/ar-AASDndgThe Director of the CDC... On CNN. I would have assumed you might even have seen it on CNN. ATLANTA (KMOX) -- CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that Covid-19 vaccines are no longer effective at preventing transmission of the virus. The director for the CDC publicly acknowledged in a CNN interview that the COVID-19 vaccine is not effective at preventing transmission of the virus. In a segment on CNN with Wolf Blitzer, Walensky said that while the vaccines are doing very well to protect against serious illness and death, what they cannot do anymore is stop transmission. In more detail: www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cdc-report-shows-vaccinated-people-can-spread-covid-19/ar-AAML2bEThe viral load of vaccinated people with breakthrough cases is the same as in unvaccinated people, the CDC said Friday. “High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus,” CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a statement"
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Post by aufan on Jan 20, 2022 2:45:30 GMT
Thanks for the link. I agree that vaccines don’t prevent the spread.
In the context of that discussion, a vaccinated person with a break through case can still spread it to others, the vaccine does not prevent the spread.
Though this is a far cry from saying vaccines as a whole don’t reduce the spread.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 20, 2022 16:11:48 GMT
Thanks for the link. I agree that vaccines don’t prevent the spread. In the context of that discussion, a vaccinated person with a break through case can still spread it to others, the vaccine does not prevent the spread. Though this is a far cry from saying vaccines as a whole don’t reduce the spread. I think we might actually find some common ground here? I actually never said, on my own, that vaccines don't "reduce" the spread. I think they have, or at least, did. I did flippantly say "yes" when you suggested that's what I was saying, because technically, I think that IS the case now, with Omicron. There are actually some studies that suggest Omicron spreads FASTER among the vaccinated. I'm not convinced of that just yet. For the Alpha variant, the vaccines did slow the rate of spread... for a little while. The degree to which they did so started to decline pretty rapidly after 3-4 months. For SOME of the vaccines, this benefit was practically nil after 6 months. Hence, the need for boosters. For the Delta variant, I think the reduction of spread was even less, right from the beginning. In fact, I have my own personal theory that vaccinated people helped spread Delta FASTER because, vaccinated people who were infected didn't FEEL sick. More of them had minimal symptoms so they were less likely to self-isolate. That's just MY theory. I haven't seen any scientific study on it. But now, for Omicron, the vaccines don't slow the spread at all. Even the CEO of Pfizer said so. Although the CDC Director (who routinely sounds like an idiot) suggested that booster shots would change that, data from Israel is saying otherwise. Even people with 4th booster shots still have minimal, if any protection from infection with Omicron. That said, the vaccines have been phenomenal tools to prevent serious infection and death. Still not 100% effective. But, they have reduced to risks down to levels as low, or lower than the "regular flu". I think getting a vaccine remains the safest way for people to get this extra protection. But, for people who are young and healthy, the OTHER way of getting it (by actually catching, and getting over Covid) is also pretty safe. I am, and have always been "pro-vaccine". But, I remain, as I always have been, "anti-mandates". I don't want to live in a country where the government can demand, by threat of force, that I inject their medicine into my body. Persuasion is better than force.
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Post by aufan on Jan 20, 2022 18:33:25 GMT
Sounds like we have common ground.
Back to Hen’s point:
I agree, and I wonder where we would be if more people were part of the latter group.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 20, 2022 18:55:01 GMT
Sounds like we have common ground. Back to Hen’s point: I agree, and I wonder where we would be if more people were part of the latter group. It's fine to wonder... I think we'd be essentially in the same place we are now. We had a LOT of vaccine compliance, supplemented by even more who had natural immunity. It didn't stop the spread of a pandemic level virus.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Jan 21, 2022 17:59:11 GMT
There is so much contradicting information that everyone needs to do their own research to determine what is best for you. To me it is very disturbing when our leader calls the the pandemic of the unvaccinated especially when you look at a country that is highly vaccinated like Israel and now the are having record levels of infections. Look at India. That country is strongly pushing the therapeutics and there cases are going up but death rates are not going up unlike those in Israel. Israel is now questioning that by enforcing the booster they are now concerned about the adverse effects on the immune system. Here some tidbits from the CDC Over 20000 deaths were reported shortly after receiving the vaccine. (Note: this number seems to jump all over the place because they change what they consider to be the cause) If you go to other web sites this number is much much high. There are hundreds of thousands of people who landed in the hospital after receiving the shot with symptoms for: Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) - blod clots Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) - damage nerve cells within the bodies immune system Myocarditis - damage to heart muscle pericardits - damage to out linings of heart Anaphylaxis -severe allergic reaction Now the CDC is reporting the Natural Immunity is now more effective than fight the virus than people who get the jab. If the person that gets the jab and then gets the virus will be equally protected as those with natural immunity. In our local news there is a scary story about a girl that had severe paralysis from the shot www.fox19.com/2021/08/12/girl-12-slowly-sees-relief-after-battling-10-months-long-hauler-covid-19-symptoms/Again if you are under the age of thirty why would you even consider getting the jab. Your risk from getting severely sick is limited and you could end up with a life long battle due to adverse effects from the jab. For me it's a personal choice that I went back and forth on. With the research I did I found that a combination of quercetin, Zinc, C and D were extremely effective against covid. I have been taking it for nine months and 3 months ago I tested positive for the antibodies. There is no right on wrong choice if you decide to get the shot or not get the shot. I do think it is 100% wrong and irresponsible for our Leaders to order us to get the shot especially with what we know now.
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