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Post by Kentflash_05 on Jul 20, 2023 14:11:11 GMT
In the 1930’s Germany was one of the most literate countries in the world…… some of the best colleges in the world were in Germany…… and the Nazi’s were still able to brainwash these people….. good point tiger. The Germans were also brainwashed into hating gays and transsexuals, if we are making comparisons. What’s that got to do with the point of smart people being brainwashed, unless you’re saying smart people can be brainwashed to hate Gays and transsexuals…. But statically speaking those were the least among the least hit groups by the Nazi’s. Nazi were much more focused on the Communist, Christians whom spoke against them and religous dissidents, political activist and oh yea The JEWS. There is some pretty good evidence homosexuality was very much tolerated by the Nazi’s in their military ranks……. Not to marginalize those were killed by the Nazi’s due to their sexual orientation I just thought it was interesting you would highlight the groups hit the least.
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Post by Kentflash_05 on Jul 20, 2023 14:37:40 GMT
Between 5,000-15,000 gay and transsexual men were placed into Nazi Concentration camps….100,000 faced sentencing but only 5-15000 were actually placed in Concentration camps……. It’s a tragedy of human history anyone had to live in concentration camps…… but you chose to focus on that because it lines up with your politics today rather than the 6 Million Jews you could have focused on. Nazi’s we’re trained to hate anyone that didn’t line up to their expectations for an Aryan man. They believed ultimately in Social Darwinism….. meaning they blended Darwinism with various race theories to justify murdering certain groups. You singled out the groups they targeted the least(although they did get targeted) and there’s alot of evidence homosexuality was pretty rampant in the German army www.cambridge.org/core/journals/central-european-history/article/abs/homosexuality-and-comradeship-destabilizing-the-hegemonic-masculine-ideal-in-nazi-germany/09624970D75B7EB8470C3A135F986654
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Post by aufan on Jul 20, 2023 17:55:10 GMT
The Germans were also brainwashed into hating gays and transsexuals, if we are making comparisons. What’s that got to do with the point of smart people being brainwashed, unless you’re saying smart people can be brainwashed to hate Gays and transsexuals…. But statically speaking those were the least among the least hit groups by the Nazi’s. Nazi were much more focused on the Communist, Christians whom spoke against them and religous dissidents, political activist and oh yea The JEWS. There is some pretty good evidence homosexuality was very much tolerated by the Nazi’s in their military ranks……. Not to marginalize those were killed by the Nazi’s due to their sexual orientation I just thought it was interesting you would highlight the groups hit the least. If we are making comparisons of modern brainwashing to what the Nazis did, the most apt comparison is the modern hate of gays and trans.
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Post by EvilVodka on Jul 20, 2023 18:04:28 GMT
What’s that got to do with the point of smart people being brainwashed, unless you’re saying smart people can be brainwashed to hate Gays and transsexuals…. But statically speaking those were the least among the least hit groups by the Nazi’s. Nazi were much more focused on the Communist, Christians whom spoke against them and religous dissidents, political activist and oh yea The JEWS. There is some pretty good evidence homosexuality was very much tolerated by the Nazi’s in their military ranks……. Not to marginalize those were killed by the Nazi’s due to their sexual orientation I just thought it was interesting you would highlight the groups hit the least. If we are making comparisons of modern brainwashing to what the Nazis did, the most apt comparison is the modern hate of gays and trans. Literally not the case Still clueless
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Post by aufan on Jul 20, 2023 18:12:10 GMT
If we are making comparisons of modern brainwashing to what the Nazis did, the most apt comparison is the modern hate of gays and trans. Literally not the case Still clueless Thank you for your input. As always you add a ton to the conversation.
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Post by EvilVodka on Jul 20, 2023 18:32:13 GMT
Literally not the case Still clueless Thank you for your input. As always you add a ton to the conversation. You have a massive misunderstanding of the LGBTQ situation, and don't seem to want to try and accommodate different perspectives Your posts on the subject are rinse-and-repeat bad takes I wouldn't say there is a massive hating of gay people, but there is a strong reaction to an aggressive trans movement that wants everyone to jump when they clap their hands
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Post by aufan on Jul 20, 2023 20:00:19 GMT
Thank you for your input. As always you add a ton to the conversation. You have a massive misunderstanding of the LGBTQ situation, and don't seem to want to try and accommodate different perspectives Your posts on the subject are rinse-and-repeat bad takes I wouldn't say there is a massive hating of gay people, but there is a strong reaction to an aggressive trans movement that wants everyone to jump when they clap their hands If we are making comparisons to Nazi brainwashing, the closest we have is with handling of trans. I’m not arguing it’s the same not as bad, but it’s far an away the closest comparison. Denying health care, denying access to public facilities, preventing public service, targeting first amendment rights, even removal of children. Hell, conservative rhetoric has included “eradicate” transgenderism. If we’re making comparisons to Nazi Germany, this is far and away the closest (and scariest) comparison to modern day America. Not brainwashing about global warming or what not.
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Post by Kentflash_05 on Jul 20, 2023 21:36:06 GMT
You have a massive misunderstanding of the LGBTQ situation, and don't seem to want to try and accommodate different perspectives Your posts on the subject are rinse-and-repeat bad takes I wouldn't say there is a massive hating of gay people, but there is a strong reaction to an aggressive trans movement that wants everyone to jump when they clap their hands If we are making comparisons to Nazi brainwashing, the closest we have is with handling of trans. I’m not arguing it’s the same not as bad, but it’s far an away the closest comparison. Denying health care, denying access to public facilities, preventing public service, targeting first amendment rights, even removal of children. Hell, conservative rhetoric has included “eradicate” transgenderism. If we’re making comparisons to Nazi Germany, this is far and away the closest (and scariest) comparison to modern day America. Not brainwashing about global warming or what not. You watch CNN or MSNBC way to much NO OnE and I mean No one is talking about eradicating Gays or transgenders…… at least not the sane conservatives, if you’re taking an argument from a Conservative senator that even conservatives think is crazy and basing your opinion off that you’re way off base. I don’t think you’d like me re-hashing the far left conspiracy minded nuts points of view off on here and representing them as the way all liberals think. To in any way equate the discrimination the gay and trans community faces today to what the Jews faced during the Holocaust is insane to me……. Not even the same stratosphere
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Post by aufan on Jul 20, 2023 21:49:48 GMT
If we are making comparisons to Nazi brainwashing, the closest we have is with handling of trans. I’m not arguing it’s the same not as bad, but it’s far an away the closest comparison. Denying health care, denying access to public facilities, preventing public service, targeting first amendment rights, even removal of children. Hell, conservative rhetoric has included “eradicate” transgenderism. If we’re making comparisons to Nazi Germany, this is far and away the closest (and scariest) comparison to modern day America. Not brainwashing about global warming or what not. You watch CNN or MSNBC way to much NO OnE and I mean No one is talking about eradicating Gays or transgenders…… at least not the sane conservatives, if you’re taking an argument from a Conservative senator that even conservatives think is crazy and basing your opinion off that you’re way off base. I don’t think you’d like me re-hashing the far left conspiracy minded nuts points of view off on here and representing them as the way all liberals think. To in any way equate the discrimination the gay and trans community faces today to what the Jews faced during the Holocaust is insane to me……. Not even the same stratosphere I don’t even have cable. I’m only saying that if there is a comparison to make between modern America and Nazi Germany, it’s not about global warming, it’s about how trans people are treated. I was not the person who started comparing things to Nazi Germany… an insane comparison that you agreed with… about global warming of all things I’m referencing a speaker at CPAC: “ transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely”. It’s certainly a thought that is out there. I’m also referencing laws that have been passed or proposed that can only be interpreted as hate toward trans. I never said this is the way all conservatives think, but wouldn’t really give a shit if you painted a broad picture of all liberals. Why would I?
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Post by Kentflash_05 on Jul 20, 2023 21:56:11 GMT
You watch CNN or MSNBC way to much NO OnE and I mean No one is talking about eradicating Gays or transgenders…… at least not the sane conservatives, if you’re taking an argument from a Conservative senator that even conservatives think is crazy and basing your opinion off that you’re way off base. I don’t think you’d like me re-hashing the far left conspiracy minded nuts points of view off on here and representing them as the way all liberals think. To in any way equate the discrimination the gay and trans community faces today to what the Jews faced during the Holocaust is insane to me……. Not even the same stratosphere I don’t even have cable. I’m only saying that if there is a comparison to make between modern America and Nazi Germany, it’s not about global warming, it’s about how trans people are treated. I was not the person who started comparing things to Nazi Germany… an insane comparison that you agreed with… about global warming of all things I’m referencing a speaker at CPAC: “ transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely”. It’s certainly a thought that is out there. I’m also referencing laws that have been passed or proposed that can only be interpreted as hate toward trans. I never said this is the way all conservatives think, but wouldn’t really give a shit if you painted a broad picture of all liberals. Why would I? So you’re admitting you heard one speaker….. you don’t know if he has any support….. as a predominant thought for most conservatives out there. That what you just admitted too….. evil is telling you what the majority of sane people think and you’re not reading what he says or giving him the time of day.
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Post by Kentflash_05 on Jul 20, 2023 22:00:30 GMT
By the way I brought up Nazi Germany because Tigercpa made a comment that studies show intelligent people are more likely to join cults…….
The most famous cult was Nazi Germany, because Germany was one of the most educated countries in the world when the Nazi’s took over.
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Post by aufan on Jul 20, 2023 23:10:59 GMT
By the way I brought up Nazi Germany because Tigercpa made a comment that studies show intelligent people are more likely to join cults……. The most famous cult was Nazi Germany, because Germany was one of the most educated countries in the world when the Nazi’s took over. Yes, and I am countering this absurdity. It is an argument in bad faith, as if a better educated population is a bad thing. It is bad if you rely on your electorate to be poorly educated. As for intelligent people being more likely to join cults, that is an interesting take. I’d like to see the studies. At face value, the largest cult in America overlaps with the areas of least education. The states that Bluehen calls out for being lowest in education are in the area aptly named the Bible Belt.
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Post by EvilVodka on Jul 21, 2023 2:17:50 GMT
By the way I brought up Nazi Germany because Tigercpa made a comment that studies show intelligent people are more likely to join cults……. The most famous cult was Nazi Germany, because Germany was one of the most educated countries in the world when the Nazi’s took over. Yes, and I am countering this absurdity. It is an argument in bad faith, as if a better educated population is a bad thing. It is bad if you rely on your electorate to be poorly educated. As for intelligent people being more likely to join cults, that is an interesting take. I’d like to see the studies. At face value, the largest cult in America overlaps with the areas of least education. The states that Bluehen calls out for being lowest in education are in the area aptly named the Bible Belt. Ya, hen is incorrect and this is inaccurate Go look at voting maps for 2016 and 2020 No state is 100% red or blue New York has a lot of red counties. Most of the Rust Belt voted red Cities are typically blue, even in Texas
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Post by Kentflash_05 on Jul 21, 2023 9:59:40 GMT
By the way I brought up Nazi Germany because Tigercpa made a comment that studies show intelligent people are more likely to join cults……. The most famous cult was Nazi Germany, because Germany was one of the most educated countries in the world when the Nazi’s took over. Yes, and I am countering this absurdity. It is an argument in bad faith, as if a better educated population is a bad thing. It is bad if you rely on your electorate to be poorly educated. As for intelligent people being more likely to join cults, that is an interesting take. I’d like to see the studies. At face value, the largest cult in America overlaps with the areas of least education. The states that Bluehen calls out for being lowest in education are in the area aptly named the Bible Belt. The absurdity was you saying the worst takeaway from the Holocaust was the hatred of the gays and transgender community, when I even shared with you an article from Cambridge university that homosexuality was very tolerated in the Germany military ranks. You didn’t read it because your ignorant and aren’t going to change your opinion despite any information presented to you. The worst take away from the Holocaust by far…… is the fact the modern Aryan brotherhood movement got their rise from Nazi ideals and they hate everyone…… you could have also said the increase in the rise of anti-semitism which is still rising today…… but instead you focused on the smallest possible groups you could because it fit your political statement you wanted to make. Showing an educated populace could be brainwashed isnt relevant to this conversation even after someone posted a study that shows educated people are actually just as easy to Manipulate? I was just giving you a major historical example of a pretty major event when an educated population was brainwashed,…… but it doesn’t fit with your narrative so you don’t want to hear it. Educated populations when they get brainwashed tend to be arrogant and think they can’t be brainwashed…… kinda like you thinking the news media isn’t programming you…::: and you can say you don’t have cable tv but from your talking points I don’t believe you.
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Post by Bevo on Jul 21, 2023 13:03:40 GMT
Yes, and I am countering this absurdity. It is an argument in bad faith, as if a better educated population is a bad thing. It is bad if you rely on your electorate to be poorly educated. As for intelligent people being more likely to join cults, that is an interesting take. I’d like to see the studies. At face value, the largest cult in America overlaps with the areas of least education. The states that Bluehen calls out for being lowest in education are in the area aptly named the Bible Belt. Ya, hen is incorrect and this is inaccurate Go look at voting maps for 2016 and 2020 No state is 100% red or blue New York has a lot of red counties. Most of the Rust Belt voted red Cities are typically blue, even in Texas Yes, this. It’s where Hen’s assertion falls apart. The LEAST educated, in the LEAST educated states live in the urban areas. And they vote 90+% Democrat. They hate Trump and they do not care that our governments is persecuting political rivals.
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