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Post by tigercpa on Aug 27, 2019 20:27:01 GMT
These are 58.33% mythical as well. 14 of the 24 teams are selected by a committee.Voting, beauty contests, committees are no good, so I have been told. D1 has no GENUINE playoff. One significant difference. How many times has the lowest seed won the the championship (Outside of the mCFP). The answer is 0. The mCFP has had this happen 40% of the time. In the cases where this did happen there were several legitimate contenders left on the outside. Just to be consistent, I will call the other division mythical as well although I do feel they are a bit more legitimate. ok, so that tells me there are too many teams included.
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 27, 2019 20:36:26 GMT
<abbr> Sure there are at large teams selected , cpa, but the final four are determined by competition, not beauty contest voting, plus those real NCAA championships are for their entire divisions not just a few brand name TV teams. No comparison in mythicalness. Nice try, however. </abbr> the final 4 in FBS are also determined by competition----> a season-long, 12 or 13 game competition, with a common goal, lose as few games as possible and have as strong a schedule as possible. Everyone starts at 0-0 and knows the rules.
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Post by Hero on Aug 27, 2019 20:47:20 GMT
Taking it a step further ranking by BCS New Years 6 Records Ohio State 9 4 USC 6 1 Alabama 5 4 Florida 5 2 Oklahoma 4 6 Oregon 4 3 LSU 4 1 Florida State 3 7 Stanford 3 3 Miami (FL) 3 1 Texas 3 1 West Virginia 3 0 Michigan 2 3 Wisconsin 2 3 Clemson 2 2 TCU 2 1 Auburn 2 1 Georgia 2 1 Michigan State 2 1 Boise State 2 0 Louisville 2 0 Utah 2 0 Virginia Tech 1 5 Iowa 1 2 Nebraska 1 1 Penn State 1 1 Oklahoma State 1 1 Tennessee 1 1 Ole Miss 1 0 Oregon State 1 0 Washington 1 0 UCF 1 0 Kansas 1 0 Houston 1 0 Notre Dame 0 5 Cincinnati 0 2 Illinois 0 2 Baylor 0 2 Kansas State 0 2 Georgia Tech 0 2 Miss St 0 1 Arkansas 0 1 Colorado 0 1 Connecticut 0 1 Hawais 0 1 Maryland 0 1 NIU 0 1 Pittsburgh 0 1 Purdue 0 1 Syracuse 0 1 Texas A&M 0 1 UCLA 0 1 Wake Forest 0 1 Wash State 0 1 Seeing Notre Dame at 0-5 and realizing Ohio State gave them a couple of the losses really makes me smile. I wore my Ohio State hat for at least one of those.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 28, 2019 0:46:56 GMT
<abbr> Sure there are at large teams selected , cpa, but the final four are determined by competition, not beauty contest voting, plus those real NCAA championships are for their entire divisions not just a few brand name TV teams. No comparison in mythicalness. Nice try, however. </abbr> the final 4 in FBS are also determined by competition----> a season-long, 12 or 13 game competition, with a common goal, lose as few games as possible and have as strong a schedule as possible. Everyone starts at 0-0 and knows the rules. Baloney Not all 0-0 records are equal in the mythical division.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 28, 2019 2:29:21 GMT
<abbr> Sure there are at large teams selected , cpa, but the final four are determined by competition, not beauty contest voting, plus those real NCAA championships are for their entire divisions not just a few brand name TV teams. No comparison in mythicalness. Nice try, however. </abbr> the final 4 in FBS are also determined by competition----> a season-long, 12 or 13 game competition, with a common goal, lose as few games as possible and have as strong a schedule as possible. Everyone starts at 0-0 and knows the rules. The problem is that no one knows the rules or criteria. They make it up as they go. Again going back to 2017 we had a one loss Wisconsin team that had the ball to beat Ohio State in the CCG and come up short. Alabama looked lethargic against Auburn in there season ending loss. Bama had a win over 17 and 24. Wisconsin had a win over 21. Bama's loss was worse than Wisconsin and Wisconsin had one extra game that went to the wire. What were the rules that selected Bama. I know what exactly what it was. One team Had Wisconsin on their Jersey and the other had Alabama on their Jersey. This is the problem with the system.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 28, 2019 2:31:59 GMT
One significant difference. How many times has the lowest seed won the the championship (Outside of the mCFP). The answer is 0. The mCFP has had this happen 40% of the time. In the cases where this did happen there were several legitimate contenders left on the outside. Just to be consistent, I will call the other division mythical as well although I do feel they are a bit more legitimate. ok, so that tells me there are too many teams included. I would not have a problem with reducing he number of teams for the NCAA Hoops tourney. On the other side, there clearly is not enough teams include in the post season for NCAA Football considering the worst team invited has won it 40% of the time.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 28, 2019 3:27:54 GMT
What were the rules that selected Bama. Seriously? You have to ask that? Bama was the reigning Champ. They'd been #1 in Recruiting. They'd been ranked #1 ALL YEAR. They'd been more impressive in their wins, all year... And, TWO Top 25 wins is better than one Top 25 win. It was a little close... but, not very. Had nothing to do with "Wisconsin" on the jersey. If the Badgers had all those things going for them, they would have been selected.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 28, 2019 3:31:16 GMT
ok, so that tells me there are too many teams included. , there clearly is not enough teams include in the post season for NCAA Football considering the worst team invited has won it 40% of the time. Good point... If they went to 8 teams, what do you think the % would be? I'd guess, it would drop down to 5%. ie… one, every 20 years. Is that worth it? To take another week from the season? If they went to 16, I bet the odds would drop to 1 in a 100. I think 4 is legit. 19 out of 20 years, it gets the correct teams in the playoff. It's correct to a 95% certainty.... good enough.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 28, 2019 13:14:41 GMT
'correct' can be opinionated
'correct' can be business/profit driven'
'correct' can be very self serving'
'correct' can be political.
...when applied to this system.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 28, 2019 13:38:10 GMT
What were the rules that selected Bama. Seriously? You have to ask that? Bama was the reigning Champ. They'd been #1 in Recruiting. They'd been ranked #1 ALL YEAR. They'd been more impressive in their wins, all year... And, TWO Top 25 wins is better than one Top 25 win. It was a little close... but, not very. Had nothing to do with "Wisconsin" on the jersey. If the Badgers had all those things going for them, they would have been selected. Not so sure I agree with that.
Bama was very lethargic down the stretch. The were down by 7 vs MSU until they had 2 4th TD's to win by 7. The game against Auburn they were simply dominated.
Wisconsin down the stretch in November beat both Iowa and Michigan who were ranked at the time by double digits.
Bama being reigning champs, number 1 recruiting, ranked #1 all year should have nothing to do with it but it does. Thats the difference with having Bama on your jersey instead of Wisconsin
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 28, 2019 13:40:41 GMT
ok, so that tells me there are too many teams included. I would not have a problem with reducing he number of teams for the NCAA Hoops tourney. On the other side, there clearly is not enough teams include in the post season for NCAA Football considering the worst team invited has won it 40% of the time. You are basing that on 5 observations...statistically, you need 10 observations to even detect a "trend." Considering that those 4 in the semis are 4 elite teams, I don't really see an issue with it at the moment. See Bevo's post from a while back about Phil Steele's study -- 4 has been enough, sometimes 2 has been enough. No point in diluting the competition just to see a potential Bama 38 Miss 16 again in the playoffs.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 28, 2019 14:59:08 GMT
Seriously? You have to ask that? Bama was the reigning Champ. They'd been #1 in Recruiting. They'd been ranked #1 ALL YEAR. They'd been more impressive in their wins, all year... And, TWO Top 25 wins is better than one Top 25 win. It was a little close... but, not very. Had nothing to do with "Wisconsin" on the jersey. If the Badgers had all those things going for them, they would have been selected. Thats the difference with having Bama on your jersey instead of Wisconsin
I don't agree... it's not school specific.. it's ACCOMPLISHMENT specific. If Wisconsin was the reigning champ, #1 in recruiting, and #1 all year... they'd have gotten the nod over a Bama team that had done nothing recently.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 29, 2019 13:08:03 GMT
This might be the right time and thread to ask my buddy, Bevo, a question I've been saving up. Last season you said that all FBS teams have a 100% equal opportunity to reach the MCFP and that ALL FBS teams completely control their own destiny as far as making the MCFP. Therefore the question for Bevo ( or anybody )
What, exactly, does Fresno State have to do in the 2019 season to make the MCFP ?
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What ,exactly. does LA - Lafeyette have to do in the 2019 season to make the MCFP
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Post by Bevo on Aug 29, 2019 13:48:13 GMT
This might be the right time and thread to ask my buddy, Bevo, a question I've been saving up. Last season you said that all FBS teams have a 100% equal opportunity to reach the MCFP and that ALL FBS teams completely control their own destiny as far as making the MCFP. Therefore the question for Bevo ( or anybody ) What, exactly, does Fresno State have to do in the 2019 season to make the MCFP ? or What ,exactly. does LA - Lafeyette have to do in the 2019 season to make the MCFP I don’t believe you have quoted me accurately. U LaLa can get a great start by beating my Longhorns on Saturday.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 29, 2019 15:59:13 GMT
I don't know , Bevo, That resonated pretty strongly with me when you said every single FBS team had an equal shot. I'm 72 so possibly I could have missed the exact quote
So suppose ULaLa upsets the Horns and proceeds to run the table. They're, therefore, locked in to the DPI ?
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