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Post by Bevo on Oct 31, 2023 0:54:57 GMT
FINALLY, we'll be able to start debating rankings that matter..... a little. Moreson ever week. INFINITELY more than any rankings we've seen thus far.
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Post by bluehen on Oct 31, 2023 2:12:26 GMT
...the ESPN/ Dr. Pepper version of the mythical system
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Post by Bevo on Oct 31, 2023 2:43:00 GMT
...the ESPN/ Dr. Pepper version of the mythical system Is there a better system? Today? For THIS kind of football league?
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 31, 2023 13:19:36 GMT
...the ESPN/ Dr. Pepper version of the mythical system Is there a better system? Today? For THIS kind of football league? Not really, given that NCAA football is basically a semi-pro league now.
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Post by bluehen on Oct 31, 2023 13:22:42 GMT
Yes, IMO. The FCS/DII/DIII championship models would work well for the FBS. As terribly klutzy as the NCAA is, administratively, it knows how to offer sports championships......fair and inclusive and not popularity based.
Now, more pertinent to you question, Bevo, I can't think of any 'mythical' (voted/opinion based) system that's "better" than any others.
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Post by Bevo on Oct 31, 2023 15:05:21 GMT
Yes, IMO. The FCS/DII/DIII championship models would work well for the FBS. As terribly klutzy as the NCAA is, administratively, it knows how to offer sports championships......fair and inclusive and not popularity based. Now, more pertinent to you question, Bevo, I can't think of any 'mythical' (voted/opinion based) system that's "better" than any others. Sorry Hen. But that model is a non-starter for the P5 schools and the NCAA knows it. It’s not as “mythical” as it used to be these days. Next year, I don’t think it’ll be “mythical” at all. It’s light years better now than it was in the days when Joe Pa could run and hide from the Longhorns.
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Post by bluehen on Oct 31, 2023 16:24:12 GMT
Everything pre BCS - 10000% mythical
BCS - 95% mythical
CFP (4 team) - 75% mythical
CFP (12 team) - 35 % mythical
NCAA team sports championships - 5% mythical
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Post by EvilVodka on Oct 31, 2023 21:19:54 GMT
Everything pre BCS - 10000% mythical BCS - 95% mythical CFP (4 team) - 75% mythical CFO (12 team) - 35 % mythical NCAA team sports championships - 5% mythical I think generally this is correct in the trend to more legit championships So many years that I look back on, I cringe at seeing how a certain team was crowned champ I found out a few weeks ago that Georgia claims the 1942 championship, even though Ohio St. is listed as AP Champ. Could have sworn they only had 3 championships And then there is LSU, who could easily claim the 1908 championship, but they don't....
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Post by bluehen on Oct 31, 2023 21:43:29 GMT
Evil, if you go back in CF mythical national championship history you can find 8 seasons in which there were up to 5 make believe (voted) national champions by assorted opinion systems. What wonderful championship playoffs those season's could have offered. Actually 10 selectors of the day named Georgia pretend NC in 1942. 5 selectors named Ohio State and 1 selector named Wisconsin. It's a comical history.........and it all started because the founding fathers of Pasadena, Ca.( 1904, I think ) decided to stage an exhibition CF football game to draw real estate investors from the Midwest.
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Post by jameshowell on Oct 31, 2023 23:41:21 GMT
How is Georgia ahead of Michigan? Georgia's YTD schedule is weaker than Michigan's (.312 vs. .472), they have scored slightly fewer points (40.5 ppg vs. 40.63), and they have given up significantly more points (14.75 ppg vs. 5.88). Best win vs. #49 Florida. Michigan has wins vs. #39 Rutgers and @ #46 Minnesota. Michigan's remaining schedule is also tougher than Georgia's. I used my ratings, but the composite is very similar.
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 1, 2023 0:05:12 GMT
It's so hard trying to remember resume v. eye test.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 1, 2023 0:10:19 GMT
How is Georgia ahead of Michigan? Georgia's YTD schedule is weaker than Michigan's (.312 vs. .472), they have scored slightly fewer points (40.5 ppg vs. 40.63), and they have given up significantly more points (14.75 ppg vs. 5.88). Best win vs. #49 Florida. Michigan has wins vs. #39 Rutgers and @ #46 Minnesota. Michigan's remaining schedule is also tougher than Georgia's. I used my ratings, but the composite is very similar. Um. Maybe, it’s because they are back to back Champs? Just a thought
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 1, 2023 0:24:31 GMT
How is Georgia ahead of Michigan? Georgia's YTD schedule is weaker than Michigan's (.312 vs. .472), they have scored slightly fewer points (40.5 ppg vs. 40.63), and they have given up significantly more points (14.75 ppg vs. 5.88). Best win vs. #49 Florida. Michigan has wins vs. #39 Rutgers and @ #46 Minnesota. Michigan's remaining schedule is also tougher than Georgia's. I used my ratings, but the composite is very similar. Honestly doesn't really matter Beat Ohio State and you're in
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Post by bluehen on Nov 1, 2023 11:39:18 GMT
How is Georgia ahead of Michigan? Georgia's YTD schedule is weaker than Michigan's (.312 vs. .472), they have scored slightly fewer points (40.5 ppg vs. 40.63), and they have given up significantly more points (14.75 ppg vs. 5.88). Best win vs. #49 Florida. Michigan has wins vs. #39 Rutgers and @ #46 Minnesota. Michigan's remaining schedule is also tougher than Georgia's. I used my ratings, but the composite is very similar.
At this point of the season, per your system, I see that JMU has played a more difficult schedule than both Michigan and Georgia and even Liberty has a tougher SOS than Georgia. That sure doesn't fit popular perception (which basically powers the mythical system of CAF). Very interesting. I appreciate thinking outside the box.
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Post by doc on Nov 1, 2023 11:58:56 GMT
How is Georgia ahead of Michigan? Georgia's YTD schedule is weaker than Michigan's (.312 vs. .472), they have scored slightly fewer points (40.5 ppg vs. 40.63), and they have given up significantly more points (14.75 ppg vs. 5.88). Best win vs. #49 Florida. Michigan has wins vs. #39 Rutgers and @ #46 Minnesota. Michigan's remaining schedule is also tougher than Georgia's. I used my ratings, but the composite is very similar. Honestly - when it’s 2 vs 3 does it really matter? I don’t think so. And I would have Georgia #1 until they lose. And I think the ratings based on resume are a bit off. If Ohio State had CJ Stroud QB I’d buy it. But McCord has been inconsistent and if that continues they could slip up before Michigan. They have played great defense against a pretty decent schedule.
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