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Post by EvilVodka on Apr 5, 2024 22:46:51 GMT
The Democrats today are the single biggest threat to our Democracy. They are destroying ALL norms with this abuse of the justice system to try to keep Trump from running. If I'm going to vote to "Save Democracy", it will be to get rid of THEM. This is my favorite part about the TDS. Trump commits a litany of crimes, but it is somehow the democrats fault? Don’t Blame Trump for falsifying business records, holding onto classified documents, inciting an insurrection, or conspiring to overturn an election. The Democrats are to blame! There is a reason why Trump is trying to claim immunity. Imagine a country where the president is immune from criminal activities, and those who accuse him of crime are just abusing the justice system. You’re literally advocating for a dictatorship, which Trump has advocated for too. just more dumbth from the dumbth king
you don't question the timing of all of this? If there was absolutely anything substantial on Trump, it would have come out in 2016...if ANY of this crap was true, he would have been ejected from the 2016 race so hard, Trump would have been an afterthought in politics
you do understand, that as each of these items against Trump fails, his "its a witchhunt" slogan gains steam? The Russian Collusion Hoax was pure garbage...most people aren't tuning into this crap anymore.
I think if you and hen decided to just focus on current issues and just for 1 week, pretended Trump didn't exist, both of you would start to notice that the world is seriously upside down right now
You and Hen have serious cognitive dissonance issues...a failure to see the forest for the trees. The number of pissed off Americans is exponentially growing; Trump didn't create that...he simply cashed in on that. Nothing different than what Bernie Sanders was doing before his Las Vegas screw job by the DNC. Obama cashed in on it, with the "Hope Change" message. Older Americans are tired of paying into a system that isn't supporting them anymore. Younger Americans hitting their 30s are growing pissed as their standard of living continually decreases. Gen Z doesn't watch Fox, MSNBC, or CNN...they have phones in their hands, probably watching Tiktok
There is a massive change coming in this country...you two simply can't read the tea leaves, at all. Hell, just look at college football for example. It's mutating into a completely different sport.
This may shock your brains, but if someone told me that in 10 years, there wouldn't even be a Democrat or Republican party, I would not be surprised.
Everything changes...and for some phucking cosmic reason, things since Covid have accelerated.
Get a clue guys....read the room. The [political] stuff yall post on here, its like farting in the wind.
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Post by aufan on Apr 6, 2024 11:46:26 GMT
This is my favorite part about the TDS. Trump commits a litany of crimes, but it is somehow the democrats fault? Don’t Blame Trump for falsifying business records, holding onto classified documents, inciting an insurrection, or conspiring to overturn an election. The Democrats are to blame! There is a reason why Trump is trying to claim immunity. Imagine a country where the president is immune from criminal activities, and those who accuse him of crime are just abusing the justice system. You’re literally advocating for a dictatorship, which Trump has advocated for too. just more dumbth from the dumbth king
you don't question the timing of all of this? If there was absolutely anything substantial on Trump, it would have come out in 2016...if ANY of this crap was true, he would have been ejected from the 2016 race so hard, Trump would have been an afterthought in politics
you do understand, that as each of these items against Trump fails, his "its a witchhunt" slogan gains steam? The Russian Collusion Hoax was pure garbage...most people aren't tuning into this crap anymore.
I think if you and hen decided to just focus on current issues and just for 1 week, pretended Trump didn't exist, both of you would start to notice that the world is seriously upside down right now
You and Hen have serious cognitive dissonance issues...a failure to see the forest for the trees. The number of pissed off Americans is exponentially growing; Trump didn't create that...he simply cashed in on that. Nothing different than what Bernie Sanders was doing before his Las Vegas screw job by the DNC. Obama cashed in on it, with the "Hope Change" message. Older Americans are tired of paying into a system that isn't supporting them anymore. Younger Americans hitting their 30s are growing pissed as their standard of living continually decreases. Gen Z doesn't watch Fox, MSNBC, or CNN...they have phones in their hands, probably watching Tiktok
There is a massive change coming in this country...you two simply can't read the tea leaves, at all. Hell, just look at college football for example. It's mutating into a completely different sport.
This may shock your brains, but if someone told me that in 10 years, there wouldn't even be a Democrat or Republican party, I would not be surprised.
Everything changes...and for some phucking cosmic reason, things since Covid have accelerated.
Get a clue guys....read the room. The [political] stuff yall post on here, its like farting in the wind.
Hen and I are discussing the upcoming presidential election, which is pretty relevant in my opinion. You come in, insulting us, and saying we are just farting in the wind. That there are more important things to discuss. My advice? Go outside and touch some grass, instead of sitting in a basement telling other people what they should and should not discuss. Is college football worth discussing? Interesting cities to visit? Why don’t you go insult them too? The world is upside down and they are posting about travel?! The nerve! The irony is, you post political stuff too, “farting in the wind”. But your posts are literal lies that you spread like a sheep. Lies designed to piss you off and make you think the world is upside down.
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Post by EvilVodka on Apr 6, 2024 16:52:16 GMT
just more dumbth from the dumbth king
you don't question the timing of all of this? If there was absolutely anything substantial on Trump, it would have come out in 2016...if ANY of this crap was true, he would have been ejected from the 2016 race so hard, Trump would have been an afterthought in politics
you do understand, that as each of these items against Trump fails, his "its a witchhunt" slogan gains steam? The Russian Collusion Hoax was pure garbage...most people aren't tuning into this crap anymore.
I think if you and hen decided to just focus on current issues and just for 1 week, pretended Trump didn't exist, both of you would start to notice that the world is seriously upside down right now
You and Hen have serious cognitive dissonance issues...a failure to see the forest for the trees. The number of pissed off Americans is exponentially growing; Trump didn't create that...he simply cashed in on that. Nothing different than what Bernie Sanders was doing before his Las Vegas screw job by the DNC. Obama cashed in on it, with the "Hope Change" message. Older Americans are tired of paying into a system that isn't supporting them anymore. Younger Americans hitting their 30s are growing pissed as their standard of living continually decreases. Gen Z doesn't watch Fox, MSNBC, or CNN...they have phones in their hands, probably watching Tiktok
There is a massive change coming in this country...you two simply can't read the tea leaves, at all. Hell, just look at college football for example. It's mutating into a completely different sport.
This may shock your brains, but if someone told me that in 10 years, there wouldn't even be a Democrat or Republican party, I would not be surprised.
Everything changes...and for some phucking cosmic reason, things since Covid have accelerated.
Get a clue guys....read the room. The [political] stuff yall post on here, its like farting in the wind.
Hen and I are discussing the upcoming presidential election lol, discussing the election?
That pretty much consists of:
Aufan: "Trump said bloodbath derp derp derp"
hen: look at this facebook link about Trumpy
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Post by Bevo on Apr 6, 2024 20:37:38 GMT
The Democrats today are the single biggest threat to our Democracy. They are destroying ALL norms with this abuse of the justice system to try to keep Trump from running. If I'm going to vote to "Save Democracy", it will be to get rid of THEM. This is my favorite part about the TDS. Trump commits a litany of crimes, but it is somehow the democrats fault? Don’t Blame Trump for falsifying business records, holding onto classified documents, inciting an insurrection, or conspiring to overturn an election. The Democrats are to blame! There is a reason why Trump is trying to claim immunity. Imagine a country where the president is immune from criminal activities, and those who accuse him of crime are just abusing the justice system. You’re literally advocating for a dictatorship, which Trump has advocated for too. You really have no clue if you think ANY of these charges would have been brought against ANY other person at ANY other time. Please tell me, you're not that clue-less, or hyper-partisan? ALL of these charges are invented and timed purely for political purpose. Anyone with a non-washed brain knows that. Any of these charges could have been brought in the past 3 years if the Dems were truly interested in Justice. The only one that has the tiniest chance of validity is the classified documents case. And that one is obviously politically driven when compared to what Hillary and Joe did, which was WORSE, and done when they were not President, thus having ZERO claim of justification. No court has ever ruled on whether a President has to comply with the edicts of Congress when it comes to documents. Trump had every right to hold on to them and seek relief in the court system. The FBI, with coordination from the Biden WH, didn't want to wait for a court review. "Immunity" has been a long-standing practice for Presidents, when it comes to the duties of their office, not for crimes. There is considerable, partisan debate about whether or not Trump committed any crime as he contested election results. Results that 80+% of Republicans disbelieved. He challenged them LEGALLY, with lawyers and Congress members, NOT with armed combatants. In the end, there WAS a peaceful transition of power. Perhaps you've forgotten it? There was far more violence on inauguration day when Trump took office than there was when Biden was sworn in. The ingrained, embedded DEEP STATE bureaucrats in DC hate Trump, because he is a threat to their never-ending gravy train. Which is a bit irrational since... he did very little to upset them in his first term. They were successful at keeping him pre-occupied with fake "Russia-collusion" charges and bogus impeachments. They definitely fear what he might do... TO THEM... in a second term. This time, their fear is probably justified. He knows now, who they are and what they've done to him. Trump was not dictator in his first 4 years, and he won't be in the next 4. Except, yes... on Day 1, when he'll have to issue a slew of Executive Orders, undoing the edicts of the previous "dictator". That's how our broken government functions these days. Even when Trump tells the truth, YOU guys twist it as some sort of nefarious undertaking. It's really sad to see. This election is no longer about Trump, as a person... or his policies. It's about whether "We, the people.." are going to allow a runaway government monster to dictate who out choices are for leadership.
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Post by aufan on Apr 7, 2024 7:18:12 GMT
This is my favorite part about the TDS. Trump commits a litany of crimes, but it is somehow the democrats fault? Don’t Blame Trump for falsifying business records, holding onto classified documents, inciting an insurrection, or conspiring to overturn an election. The Democrats are to blame! There is a reason why Trump is trying to claim immunity. Imagine a country where the president is immune from criminal activities, and those who accuse him of crime are just abusing the justice system. You’re literally advocating for a dictatorship, which Trump has advocated for too. You really have no clue if you think ANY of these charges would have been brought against ANY other person at ANY other time. Please tell me, you're not that clue-less, or hyper-partisan? ALL of these charges are invented and timed purely for political purpose. Anyone with a non-washed brain knows that. Any of these charges could have been brought in the past 3 years if the Dems were truly interested in Justice. The only one that has the tiniest chance of validity is the classified documents case. And that one is obviously politically driven when compared to what Hillary and Joe did, which was WORSE, and done when they were not President, thus having ZERO claim of justification. No court has ever ruled on whether a President has to comply with the edicts of Congress when it comes to documents. Trump had every right to hold on to them and seek relief in the court system. The FBI, with coordination from the Biden WH, didn't want to wait for a court review. "Immunity" has been a long-standing practice for Presidents, when it comes to the duties of their office, not for crimes. There is considerable, partisan debate about whether or not Trump committed any crime as he contested election results. Results that 80+% of Republicans disbelieved. He challenged them LEGALLY, with lawyers and Congress members, NOT with armed combatants. In the end, there WAS a peaceful transition of power. Perhaps you've forgotten it? There was far more violence on inauguration day when Trump took office than there was when Biden was sworn in. The ingrained, embedded DEEP STATE bureaucrats in DC hate Trump, because he is a threat to their never-ending gravy train. Which is a bit irrational since... he did very little to upset them in his first term. They were successful at keeping him pre-occupied with fake "Russia-collusion" charges and bogus impeachments. They definitely fear what he might do... TO THEM... in a second term. This time, their fear is probably justified. He knows now, who they are and what they've done to him. Trump was not dictator in his first 4 years, and he won't be in the next 4. Except, yes... on Day 1, when he'll have to issue a slew of Executive Orders, undoing the edicts of the previous "dictator". That's how our broken government functions these days. Even when Trump tells the truth, YOU guys twist it as some sort of nefarious undertaking. It's really sad to see. This election is no longer about Trump, as a person... or his policies. It's about whether "We, the people.." are going to allow a runaway government monster to dictate who out choices are for leadership. I don’t see how the charges are invented. We have seen that he had documents and heard that he admitted it. We heard him say we need to find votes in Georgia and we’ve seen the fake certificates. We saw him convince his party that the election was stolen, with no evidence, before the election! The timing of charges is not inconsistent with other white collar crimes, which was an average of 452 days in 2022. trac.syr.edu/reports/708/ It takes time to build a case. You wouldn’t want to be accused of a witch hunt by throwing one together haphazardly, would you? Donald Trump said yes, he would abuse power as retribution against (someone). Your response is to defend this, again blaming democrats? You are fine with a dictator as long as he’s on “your side”? Is Donald on your side? Did he actually accomplish anything he said he would? Oh right, he didn’t. But of course it was the democrats fault he was an ineffective leader! I personally don’t think he has a vested interest in anything but himself. Your final point is a doozy. Accusing run away government of dictating our choices for leadership? This is exactly what Donald tried to do with fake electors and his plea to Pence! Maybe I can rephrase for you? You don’t like it when you think democrats are doing it. You actively support with when republicans actually do it.
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Post by Bevo on Apr 7, 2024 21:10:17 GMT
I don’t see how the charges are invented. Of course you don't, you're a hyper-partisan. Challenging election results is NOT a crime. NO President, EVER, has been charged with keeping documents, even though practically EVERY President has done it. Your hero, James Comey, set the standard: "No reasonable prosecutor would bring charges"... Of course, that wasn't even against a former President. Just a negligent Secretary of State. It's even MORE unreasonable now. The timing of charges is not inconsistent with other white collar crimes, which was an average of 452 days in 2022. Thanks for proving my point. These supposed election 'crimes' and documents cases were committed in Jan 2021, or even December 2020. ON AVERAGE, they should have been charging Trump in April of 2022. Waiting until July of 2023 is DOUBLE the average. The other charges, like the NEVER BEFORE prosecuted horrific crime of providing optimistic real estate property evaluations to a lender (who is responsible to do their OWN evaluation) all happened many years ago. Those cases should never have been brought. They had all the evidence more than 2 years ago. They waited, just for the election. You'd have to be a complete idiot to not understand what's going on here. But, maybe you are? I never thought so. Maybe, I was wrong. Donald Trump said yes, he would abuse power as retribution against (someone). Your response is to defend this, again blaming democrats? You are fine with a dictator as long as he’s on “your side”? I don't like the "new norm" of Presidents "dictating" by Exec Order when EITHER side does it. It's been increasing for decades. I don't know how to stop it. The SCOTUS has over-ruled Biden MANY times. THAT doesn't stop him. For sure, I don't expect Republicans to just stop playing the game right when Democrats have everything going their way. Is Donald on your side? Did he actually accomplish anything he said he would LOL Oh yes. Trump got MANY things done, despite being opposed by BOTH parties in his first two years. That's why they hate him so much. Congrats though..... once again, you've suckered me into debating with you like you're a serious person. I know better. I guess, I'm just an eternal optimist. You can support the party that wants to BAN gasoline powered cars by 2030. I'll take the other team. But, I have better things to do that try to convince you of anything.
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Post by bluehen on Apr 8, 2024 0:04:48 GMT
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Post by Bevo on Apr 8, 2024 3:52:46 GMT
thanks so much for the meaningful contribution Hen. It’s so appreciated at a time when a 71 yr-old Great Grandmother is convicted of multiple charges for walking through an open door on Jan 6, praying inside our Capitol, and then leaving…. Without ever hurting anyone or anything. Biden’s DOJ wants to put her in jail for a year. I’m sure you must be glad. What a THREAT she was to our great democracy. But, you keep on posting your Trumpy FB posts, and feel smug.
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Post by aufan on Apr 8, 2024 16:55:51 GMT
I don’t see how the charges are invented. Of course you don't, you're a hyper-partisan. Challenging election results is NOT a crime. NO President, EVER, has been charged with keeping documents, even though practically EVERY President has done it. Your hero, James Comey, set the standard: "No reasonable prosecutor would bring charges"... Of course, that wasn't even against a former President. Just a negligent Secretary of State. It's even MORE unreasonable now. The timing of charges is not inconsistent with other white collar crimes, which was an average of 452 days in 2022. Thanks for proving my point. These supposed election 'crimes' and documents cases were committed in Jan 2021, or even December 2020. ON AVERAGE, they should have been charging Trump in April of 2022. Waiting until July of 2023 is DOUBLE the average. The other charges, like the NEVER BEFORE prosecuted horrific crime of providing optimistic real estate property evaluations to a lender (who is responsible to do their OWN evaluation) all happened many years ago. Those cases should never have been brought. They had all the evidence more than 2 years ago. They waited, just for the election. You'd have to be a complete idiot to not understand what's going on here. But, maybe you are? I never thought so. Maybe, I was wrong. Donald Trump said yes, he would abuse power as retribution against (someone). Your response is to defend this, again blaming democrats? You are fine with a dictator as long as he’s on “your side”? I don't like the "new norm" of Presidents "dictating" by Exec Order when EITHER side does it. It's been increasing for decades. I don't know how to stop it. The SCOTUS has over-ruled Biden MANY times. THAT doesn't stop him. For sure, I don't expect Republicans to just stop playing the game right when Democrats have everything going their way. Is Donald on your side? Did he actually accomplish anything he said he would LOL Oh yes. Trump got MANY things done, despite being opposed by BOTH parties in his first two years. That's why they hate him so much. Congrats though..... once again, you've suckered me into debating with you like you're a serious person. I know better. I guess, I'm just an eternal optimist. You can support the party that wants to BAN gasoline powered cars by 2030. I'll take the other team. But, I have better things to do that try to convince you of anything. A few points of clarification. I’m not hyper-partisan, I supported Trump in 2016 and not Hillary. I can change my support based on the candidate and the issues. Trump has lost my support through his actions. The only thing that qualifies me as “hyper-partisan” is that I think Trump is not a viable candidate and should be held accountable for his actions. It is expedient, but very lazy, to simply classify someone as hyper-partisan for not supporting Trump. Is Mike Pence hyper-partisan, for example? On the timing of the cases, you don’t have your facts straight. In the document case, the search warrant was executed in August of 2022, but you suggest on average he should have been charged in April 2022? The criminal referral by the Jan 6 committee wasn’t until December of 2022. One thing is certain, if the charges were brought immediately without the due diligence of investigation, then there would still be cries of “witch hunt”. I agree that challenging election results can be legal, but is creating fake electors and fake certificates to confuse or delay the election certification? Is requesting to find thousands of votes in an audit so you win by 1 vote? We will find out. You are dismissing the actual details by claiming he was just challenging election results. There are legal and illegal ways to challenge election results, saying “challenging election results is not a crime” is not a true blanket statement. You don’t like presidents being dictators, but don’t know how to stop it? One way to stop it is to not vote for a president who literally said he wants to be a vindictive dictator? That’s a start! Finally, on banning gas cars, I don’t think that is Biden’s position, but I could be wrong. Voting against it is certainly a respectable position. I can even respect voting for Donald, despite his attack on democracy, because you like his policies and don’t like the democrats. What I don’t respect is dismissing or flat out denying that Trump tried to subvert the will of the people for his own gain, without any evidence that his rhetoric or actions were justified.
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Post by Bevo on Apr 9, 2024 18:03:51 GMT
What I don’t respect is dismissing or flat out denying that Trump tried to subvert the will of the people for his own gain, without any evidence that his rhetoric or actions were justified. Trump was fulfilling the will of the people who voted for him. He was fighting, legally, until all options were expired. And I think it was in an official capacity for his job, thus... covered by immunity. We'll see. No evidence at all of a rigged election? Really? It was the most FUBAR election of my lifetime. Long-standing State election laws were completely ignored. Ballots being mass mailed, unsolicited, to names on voter registration rolls that were woefully inaccurate. Ballots being accepted in unsupervised drop boxes, thus bypassing normal postmarks. Allowing people to register, en masse, WEEKS after legislative deadlines... up until just days before the election. Counting mail-in ballots that weren't signed, had no dates... in direct violation of State law. Abandoning required procedures for signature checks. Zuckerberg spending $350 MILLION with State election officials to increase DEMOCRAT turnout. Not to mention the over-the-top coordinated censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop that documented evidence of corruption, and.. at the very least, proved that Joe was lying when he said he knew NOTHING about Hunter's deals and was never involved. Many of the things listed above are now explicitly illegal now in many states, thanks to new laws and constitutional amendments. Heck, in Delaware, their courts have ruled the entire process used in 2020 violated their constitution. It will be a LITTLE harder to cheat, in the same way. But I'm sure that won't keep Dems from doing whatever they have to do. They have convinced themselves that Trump is so uniquely horrible, ANYTHING they have to do to stop him is morally justified. That's how far they've gone.
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Post by aufan on Apr 9, 2024 20:05:01 GMT
What I don’t respect is dismissing or flat out denying that Trump tried to subvert the will of the people for his own gain, without any evidence that his rhetoric or actions were justified. Trump was fulfilling the will of the people who voted for him. He was fighting, legally, until all options were expired. And I think it was in an official capacity for his job, thus... covered by immunity. We'll see. No evidence at all of a rigged election? Really? It was the most FUBAR election of my lifetime. Long-standing State election laws were completely ignored. Ballots being mass mailed, unsolicited, to names on voter registration rolls that were woefully inaccurate. Ballots being accepted in unsupervised drop boxes, thus bypassing normal postmarks. Allowing people to register, en masse, WEEKS after legislative deadlines... up until just days before the election. Counting mail-in ballots that weren't signed, had no dates... in direct violation of State law. Abandoning required procedures for signature checks. Zuckerberg spending $350 MILLION with State election officials to increase DEMOCRAT turnout. Not to mention the over-the-top coordinated censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop that documented evidence of corruption, and.. at the very least, proved that Joe was lying when he said he knew NOTHING about Hunter's deals and was never involved. Many of the things listed above are now explicitly illegal now in many states, thanks to new laws and constitutional amendments. Heck, in Delaware, their courts have ruled the entire process used in 2020 violated their constitution. It will be a LITTLE harder to cheat, in the same way. But I'm sure that won't keep Dems from doing whatever they have to do. They have convinced themselves that Trump is so uniquely horrible, ANYTHING they have to do to stop him is morally justified. That's how far they've gone. None of those are evidence that the election was stolen. Some of those points I don’t even think are true, like counting ballots without signatures. Citation please? Delaware rules that laws enacted in 2022 were unconstitutional, not “the entire process used in 2020”. www.foxnews.com/politics/delaware-judge-rules-no-excuse-mail-in-voting-unconstitutional.ampZuckerberg’s donations were not found to be illegal, or even politically biased, 6-0 by the bipartisan FEC. www.fec.gov/files/legal/murs/7854/7854_25.pdfThese talking points are not even factual, nor evidence justifying Trump’s rhetoric or actions: His rhetoric - specifically that he won the election, that the election was stolen. He claimed it as indisputable fact. Hundreds of times. To simply say he was “challenging” or “fighting” the election results is not genuine. His actions - specifically soliciting for election officials to find votes for him, or his involvement in the fake electors. These go beyond stopping when all legal options had expired. I would be fine with legal challenges and using rhetoric stating that he has doubts and thinks investigation is needed. He went far beyond that.
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Post by Bevo on Apr 10, 2024 15:41:49 GMT
None of those are evidence that the election was stolen. Some of those points I don’t even think are true, like counting ballots without signatures. Citation please? When states willingly fail to follow established rules for holding the election, there will always be suspicion when the outcome seems implausible. I erred saying "ballots with no signatures"... It should have been "ballots with no dates". www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mail-in-ballots-must-have-dates-on-envelopes-pennsylvania-appeals-court-rules/ar-BB1kKstzIn 2020, Pennsylvania, in violation of State law, counted mail-in ballots coming in THREE days after election day. Who could possibly abuse that kind of system? Practically no state had a system of signature verification planned for anything like the % of mail-in ballots cast in 2020. They all had to virtually waive their established rules for verification. vashiva.com/scientific-study-reveals-maricopa-counted-200000-ballots-with-mismatched-signatures/ That was the original ruling in 2022. It just got expanded; apnews.com/article/delaware-early-voting-absentee-lawsuit-072bfce3468de4db3b2638ed383cf526I guess the ballots they were using are still OK, but the WAY they conducted the election, as to timing, has been ruled unconstitutional. Zuckerberg’s donations were not found to be illegal, or even politically biased, 6-0 by the bipartisan FEC. LOL The FEC is worse than Inspector Clouseau. Only in America is illegal to give a candidate more than $3,300. But, it's FINE to funnel $491M through shell organizations, and dole it out all over the country, particularly in the critical few swing states, and almost ALL to help Democract turnout. capitalresearch.org/article/shining-a-light-on-zuck-bucks-in-key-states/Note.... Georgia. The state with the HIGHEST per capita grants; CTCL gave grants to 17 of the 31 counties Biden won in Georgia. Together, t hese 17 counties received $42.4 million, or over 94 percent of all CTCL funds in the Peach state. Nothing to see here. Right. Anyone who's EVER worked in a campaign, or in an election, understands well the power of money. Zuckerberg found a loophole, and exploited it. Since 2020, three more states (Alabama, Arizona and Wisconsin) have passed laws, or amended their constitution to specifically BAN what Zuck did. They seemed to think it made a difference.
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Post by aufan on Apr 10, 2024 20:14:02 GMT
None of those are evidence that the election was stolen. Some of those points I don’t even think are true, like counting ballots without signatures. Citation please? When states willingly fail to follow established rules for holding the election, there will always be suspicion when the outcome seems implausible. I erred saying "ballots with no signatures"... It should have been "ballots with no dates". www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mail-in-ballots-must-have-dates-on-envelopes-pennsylvania-appeals-court-rules/ar-BB1kKstzIn 2020, Pennsylvania, in violation of State law, counted mail-in ballots coming in THREE days after election day. Who could possibly abuse that kind of system? Practically no state had a system of signature verification planned for anything like the % of mail-in ballots cast in 2020. They all had to virtually waive their established rules for verification. vashiva.com/scientific-study-reveals-maricopa-counted-200000-ballots-with-mismatched-signatures/ That was the original ruling in 2022. It just got expanded; apnews.com/article/delaware-early-voting-absentee-lawsuit-072bfce3468de4db3b2638ed383cf526I guess the ballots they were using are still OK, but the WAY they conducted the election, as to timing, has been ruled unconstitutional. Zuckerberg’s donations were not found to be illegal, or even politically biased, 6-0 by the bipartisan FEC. LOL The FEC is worse than Inspector Clouseau. Only in America is illegal to give a candidate more than $3,300. But, it's FINE to funnel $491M through shell organizations, and dole it out all over the country, particularly in the critical few swing states, and almost ALL to help Democract turnout. capitalresearch.org/article/shining-a-light-on-zuck-bucks-in-key-states/Note.... Georgia. The state with the HIGHEST per capita grants; CTCL gave grants to 17 of the 31 counties Biden won in Georgia. Together, t hese 17 counties received $42.4 million, or over 94 percent of all CTCL funds in the Peach state. Nothing to see here. Right. Anyone who's EVER worked in a campaign, or in an election, understands well the power of money. Zuckerberg found a loophole, and exploited it. Since 2020, three more states (Alabama, Arizona and Wisconsin) have passed laws, or amended their constitution to specifically BAN what Zuck did. They seemed to think it made a difference. The Pennsylvania court ruling, which was aligned with their constitution, and was mathematically not possible to change the outcome of the election. How does this justify Trump claiming he won the election and that the election was stolen through fraud?On Delaware - you are misreading it again. The early voting, the “timing” you refer to, did not take effect until 2022. How does this justify Trump claiming he won the election and that the election was stolen through fraud?On Zuckerberg - That link is an exercise in showing the obvious, and confusing correlation with causation. More populous counties vote democrat. 90% of the top 100 counties by population go Democrat. Grants were open to everyone who applied, and based on need. I imagine a county of 8,000,000 has more challenges than a county of 8,000. It also heavily skews the data by using a winner take all approach to calculating per capita money spent, as if they were trying to create a narrative. Calculating it by vote doesn’t give you such extreme headlines. And 94% of funds sounds high until you realize it represents 77% of all voters in Georgia. Again, it’s about the narrative you want to create. Regardless - this wasn’t even in Trump’s radar nor mentioned prior to Jan 6, so once again, How does this justify Trump claiming he won the election and that the election was stolen through fraud?I will repeat my premise in case you wish to give your opinion on it: There was no justification for Trump to claim, as fact, that he won the election and it was stolen from him through fraud. There was no justification for Trump to solicit exactly the number of votes he needed to win from election officials. There was no justification for Trump to be involved in fake electors and fake certificates to try to cause confusion or doubt during the confirmation process.
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Post by bluehen on Apr 11, 2024 12:29:19 GMT
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Post by tigercpa on Apr 11, 2024 13:25:35 GMT
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