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Post by EvilVodka on Jun 5, 2019 13:04:16 GMT
with the advances in offense, I'd say that if you had an AVG points allowed per game per team, that the #s would rise through the 80s, 90s, '00s, etc. you'd have a curve going up Sooooo for Alabama to have top defenses in THIS decade is absolutely freaking amazing I'm still calculating teams, but LSU '11 came in at #19 or maybe not....the SEC was late to the party on offensive evolution, so this may not be as strong of a point maybe the SEC offenses are just bad? Spurrier?? Peyton Manning? Auburn?? The SEC has had good offenses It's not like they've all been running the wishbone for 30 years
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Post by bluehen on Jun 5, 2019 13:25:43 GMT
For absolute 'all time' take a look at 1894 Yale. The College Football News just named that 1894 Yale team the single most dominant team to ever take the field in college football history.....over 95 Nebraska, 01 Miami , 18 Clemson and all the other 'latest greatest' edition teams. That team was 16-0 and posted 13 shutout wins. It outscored its opponents 489-13 including 110-4 over other Ivy league teams which dominated the sport back in that day.
So I guess I'd have to agree.....1894 Yale might really be the most dominant team in CF history.
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Post by Bevo on Jun 5, 2019 14:23:26 GMT
For absolute 'all time' take a look at 1894 Yale. The College Football News just named that 1894 Yale team the single most dominant team to ever take the field in college football history.....over 95 Nebraska, 01 Miami , 18 Clemson and all the other 'latest greatest' edition teams. That team was 16-0 and posted 13 shutout wins. It outscored its opponents 489-13 including 110-4 over other Ivy league teams which dominated the sport back in that day. So I guess I'd have to agree.....1894 Yale might really be the most dominant team in CF history.
I guess "Dominant" implies.. 'relative to their competition". Which, in 1984... wasn't much. Shame they didn't play against 1895 Texas. I'm still waiting for someone to show me a defense that was better at preventing scoring.
Last year's Clemson team would beat them by 100, in the first half.
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Post by tigercpa on Jun 5, 2019 15:35:09 GMT
or maybe not....the SEC was late to the party on offensive evolution, so this may not be as strong of a point maybe the SEC offenses are just bad? Spurrier?? Peyton Manning? Auburn?? The SEC has had good offenses It's not like they've all been running the wishbone for 30 years No, but SEC offenses have been, like the NFL, risk averse. Everything is about the percentages. In general: The SEC tends to put its best players on D. The B12 puts its best players on O. Teams that have scored more than 30 points on Bama in the last 6 years: Aub 44 tOSU 35 Clem 40 Ole Mrs. 43 Clem 35 Ark 31 OK 34 Clem 44 OK 31 aTm 42 That's roughly 12% of the time. Which is better? Hard to say, but the real outlier here is Bama, they have the coaches and players to run whatever they feel like and be successful. The rest of the SEC is living off of this reality. The problem (for the rest of the SEC) is that Bama's O has become more progressive and B12-like and consequently putting up B12-like numbers on the "SEC defenses". Another case: Mizzou was well into their B12 pass offense decline when they joined the SEC. How did they stop it? They hired Josh Heupel and went back to their B12 roots. Mizzou immediately became the #2 offense in the SEC, and #1 the next year. When Josh moved to UCF, Mizzou hired a seasoned SEC OC, and went back on immediate decline. Same with the Aggies, they had a decent passing game in the B12, and theiur numbers went up immegiately upon joining the SEC.
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Post by bluehen on Jun 5, 2019 16:32:50 GMT
For absolute 'all time' take a look at 1894 Yale. The College Football News just named that 1894 Yale team the single most dominant team to ever take the field in college football history.....over 95 Nebraska, 01 Miami , 18 Clemson and all the other 'latest greatest' edition teams. That team was 16-0 and posted 13 shutout wins. It outscored its opponents 489-13 including 110-4 over other Ivy league teams which dominated the sport back in that day. So I guess I'd have to agree.....1894 Yale might really be the most dominant team in CF history.
I guess "Dominant" implies.. 'relative to their competition". Which, in 1984... wasn't much. Shame they didn't play against 1895 Texas. I'm still waiting for someone to show me a defense that was better at preventing scoring.
Last year's Clemson team would beat them by 100, in the first half.
I absolutely agree, Bevo, especially since all the Yale players would be about 145 years old ! vs Clemson's 20 year old studs. That team probably would have thoroughly dominated any Clemson team from the 1890s , don't you think ? ( 20 year olds vs 20 year olds )
Of course 'relative' to competition. Measuring dominance of any team or athlete at any time in history is 'relative to competition'.
Also , Bevo, what would you speculate 1895 Texas' record to be vs Ivy League competition that season ?
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Post by bluehen on Jun 5, 2019 16:50:03 GMT
I checked the Texas vs Ivy League football records, Bevo.
The Horns are .000 ( 0-1 ).... The only game being in 1931 in which the Harvard men 'toyed' with your Horns, 35-7
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Post by Bevo on Jun 5, 2019 21:05:27 GMT
I guess "Dominant" implies.. 'relative to their competition". Which, in 1984... wasn't much. Shame they didn't play against 1895 Texas. I'm still waiting for someone to show me a defense that was better at preventing scoring.
Last year's Clemson team would beat them by 100, in the first half.
I absolutely agree, Bevo, especially since all the Yale players would be about 145 years old ! vs Clemson's 20 year old studs. That team probably would have thoroughly dominated any Clemson team from the 1890s , don't you think ? ( 20 year olds vs 20 year olds )
Of course 'relative' to competition. Measuring dominance of any team or athlete at any time in history is 'relative to competition'.
Also , Bevo, what would you speculate 1895 Texas' record to be vs Ivy League competition that season ?
I expect 1890's Yale teams would destroy any Texas or Clemson team from that era. Texas just STARTED playing in 1983. Yale had been playing for more than 20 years already, and against real competition. It's a shame that the game has so passed them by.
But.... our 1895 defense did NOT ALLOW A POINT! Not even to the one High School team that they played.
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Post by Bevo on Jun 5, 2019 21:06:36 GMT
I checked the Texas vs Ivy League football records, Bevo. The Horns are .000 ( 0-1 ).... The only game being in 1931 in which the Harvard men 'toyed' with your Horns, 35-7 Who would you bet on if Texas played ANY Ivy League team this year? Straight up, no points.
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Post by bluehen on Jun 6, 2019 12:11:38 GMT
I checked the Texas vs Ivy League football records, Bevo. The Horns are .000 ( 0-1 ).... The only game being in 1931 in which the Harvard men 'toyed' with your Horns, 35-7 Who would you bet on if Texas played ANY Ivy League team this year? Straight up, no points.
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Post by bluehen on Jun 6, 2019 12:31:42 GMT
Points only to make that hypothetical interesting....according to Jeff Sagarin's system , Princeton, the highest rated Ivy team, would only be 15.5 point underdogs at home to Texas at the end of the 2018 season.
The Ivy League FB history is really interesting. It was the first powerful conference but just like the SEC of today it was oft predicated on winning at all costs and suiting up phony college students called 'ringers' in those days. An Ivy league executive director once admitted " we invented everything that is wrong with college football" . BY WWII those ultra high standard schools came to grips with the fraud and decided to severely de- emphasize football to the point of not even allowing post season play, although still D1.
I did notice some of those early Texas teams and their great records. My favorites might be the whipping of the Houston Town team 42-6 and the Austin YMCA 24-0
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Post by Bevo on Jun 6, 2019 13:14:32 GMT
An Ivy league executive director once admitted " we invented everything that is wrong with college football" . LOL. That's a really funny quote. I suspect he's very correct about that. I did notice some of those early Texas teams and their great records. My favorites might be the whipping of the Houston Town team 42-6 and the Austin YMCA 24-0 Yea.. I think they had a LOT of trouble finding people to play back then. It's not like they could hop on an airplane and go to Taxashussetts to play the Yalies. That 1895 team only played 6 games, and... as I said, one was to Galveston High School. Although, I suspect Galveston had a pretty good team back then. They had some athletic talent.
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Post by bluehen on Jun 6, 2019 13:43:29 GMT
Not much 'travel' in the early days of the sport for any teams.
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Post by tigercpa on Jun 6, 2019 20:55:05 GMT
I absolutely agree, Bevo, especially since all the Yale players would be about 145 years old ! vs Clemson's 20 year old studs. That team probably would have thoroughly dominated any Clemson team from the 1890s , don't you think ? ( 20 year olds vs 20 year olds )
Of course 'relative' to competition. Measuring dominance of any team or athlete at any time in history is 'relative to competition'.
Also , Bevo, what would you speculate 1895 Texas' record to be vs Ivy League competition that season ?
I expect 1890's Yale teams would destroy any Texas or Clemson team from that era. Texas just STARTED playing in 1983. Yale had been playing for more than 20 years already, and against real competition. It's a shame that the game has so passed them by.
But.... our 1895 defense did NOT ALLOW A POINT! Not even to the one High School team that they played.
Heisman's Clemson team of 1900 was pretty good 6-0, 222PF, 10 PA
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Post by bluehen on Jun 7, 2019 0:53:13 GMT
I checked out the 1900 season mythical selectors hoping to see that Clemson team but Yale was unanimous pretend NC.
Yep, John Heisman was an Ivy League product. Played at Brown and Penn
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