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Post by GatorGrad on Dec 8, 2023 16:28:05 GMT
Any interest in bowl games died after the four-team CFP started. With a 12-team playoff, they will become like the basketball NIT. The 12-team playoff will eventually go to 16 (doesn't add another week) and non-playoff bowl games will be a distant memory. In fact I wish the playoff would ditch them too and just play the playoff games on the campus of the higher seed until the championship game.
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Post by GatorGrad on Dec 6, 2023 19:06:42 GMT
I see a lot of folks blaming the committee and ESPN for leaving FSU out of the CFP. But the anger is misdirected. The 13 members on the committee did not make the rules which were flawed from day one, nor did they delay the 12-team playoff like the ACC helped to do. The truth is there are other factors that led to this. In no particular order:
1) Criteria should not have ever used a phrase like "best team." That is 100% subjective. At the very least, the emphasis should have been on resume more like the basketball tournament. Or in the best case scenario, objective rules as our friend CJ has been saying for years on this board with no human committee necessary.
2) Criteria should have never ever included anything about consideration for a team with an injured player. How ridiculous. I can't think of any other sport where this is a thing. If the New England Patriots went 16-0 one season but Tom Brady got injured in the final game, they are still going to be the #1 seed in the AFC playoffs.
3) Just like the two-team playoff in the BCS era was doomed to fail a power conference unbeaten (see Auburn 2004), a four-team playoff was also likely to malfunction at some point given there were five power conferences plus Notre Dame competing for four spots. So then expand the playoff, right? Well...
4) ESPN and the P5 conferences had agreed in 2021 to expand to the 12-team playoff and to have it in place by this 2023 season. After the SEC added UT and OU, the ACC/PAC/B1G announced "The Alliance" for reasons known only to them and put a halt on the expanded playoff. Soon after, the B1G raided the killed off the PAC, the B1G commish left, and everyone came to their senses and approved the 12-team playoff...but now it couldn't be implemented until 2024. Now we have the ACC Commish Phillips complaining about his conference champ being excluded from the four-team playoff? Maybe he should be held accountable for that very poor short-sighted decision which ultimately cost FSU and his conference a chance to compete in a playoff this year not to mention the revenue that comes with it. FSU should have grounds to terminate their GOR and leave the ACC immediately over this and many other issues.
It's not like this scenario of ranking a one-loss team over an unbeaten has never happened before. In fact in 1993, FSU won their first ever National Championship by benefitting from a scenario like this. FSU was 11-1 but ranked #1 heading into the bowls ahead of 11-0 Nebraska, 11-0 West Virginia, and 11-0 Auburn. Also ahead of 10-1 Notre Dame who had beaten FSU head to head! However FSU got to play in the designated MNC Bowl Game vs Nebraska while West Virginia and Notre Dame did not have a chance. The idiocy of this sport hurt FSU in 2023 but no doubt benefitted them in 1993.
The system has always been flawed. Any system where a team can go UNDEFEATED and not have a chance to compete for the championship is flawed. Every team deserves to play until you lose IMO. What happened to FSU was unfortunate but I'm not sure why we are so surprised?
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Post by GatorGrad on Oct 12, 2023 18:00:13 GMT
Stay away...honor the commitment you made to your wife in front of your family, friends, and (hopefully) The Lord.
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Post by GatorGrad on Sept 4, 2023 15:24:10 GMT
If polls were based on actual on-field results to date they should be #1.
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Post by GatorGrad on Sept 4, 2023 15:16:21 GMT
The roster that Billy Napier inherited was probably the worst (talent wise) at Florida in over 30 years so he will get time to rebuild. He has a top five class coming in next year highlighted by five-star QB from Texas DJ Lagway...assuming he holds onto that QB and the class coming in with him, things will still be on the right track. Sign two classes like that in a row and we will be back in business. Of course waiting is the hardest part...this year and next year will not be pretty. But there will be hope in Year 4...2025 season.
FSU's head coach looked like a disaster his first two seasons. Now you see the fruits of his labor in his 4th season.
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Post by GatorGrad on Sept 1, 2023 16:30:13 GMT
So now we will have THREE conferences that stretch pretty much coast to coast:
ACC - From California to South Carolina (lol)...and a random school in Texas in between!
Big 12 - From Arizona / Utah to West Virginia and down to Florida.
Big Ten - from Southern California to New Jersey / Maryland.
Can we at least have the Big 12 swap UCF and WVU to the ACC in exchange for SMU and Lville to make some geographic sense in those areas? What a mess.
The SEC is the only power conference with all continuous states remaining in one quadrant of the country.
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Post by GatorGrad on Sept 1, 2023 16:22:25 GMT
ESPN channels have been riding the bundle cable tv / carriage wave for a long time. Grandma who never watches sports but had cable TV was helping make ESPN more affordable for us to watch all of these years. This is coming to an end. ESPN will soon offer stand-alone streaming for access. We will pay more overall for TV and ESPN will make less overall. We don't realize what a good "deal" we had with bundled cable TV back in the day as sports fans.
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Post by GatorGrad on Sept 1, 2023 16:17:13 GMT
Gonna be a long season. My flight out on Wednesday got cancelled by Southwest so I didn't have to sit through this one. Not upset about missing it.
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 29, 2023 3:18:05 GMT
Yea I'm not sure why the ACC added Syracuse or Boston College. I would ditch those two, Pitt, Lville, Wake, and Duke. Smaller 8-team regional conference stretching from FL-GA-SC-NC-VA. Fewer mouths to feed.
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 25, 2023 2:51:34 GMT
Absurd. Sad.
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 24, 2023 18:20:03 GMT
Is it true that only 8 schools from the ACC would need to withdraw in order to not have to pay exit fees or penalties? If that's true, why wouldn't the following schools all just leave at once to either form their own smaller league (and more regional league) with fewer mouths to feed...or to join the SEC/Big Ten? Miami FSU GaTech Clemson UNC NC State UVA VaTech SEC and Big Ten each take one VA school and one NC school and one FL school. One takes GaTech and the other Clemson. Done. I agree, the new league idea sounds logical
I think the major problem with the ACC is that all the schools aren't on the same page. It's reminiscent of the football/basketball split in the Big East.
The North Carolina schools are extremely hard to read, and I halfway think UNC would be just fine staying in the ACC. The Stanford/SMU/Cal additions sound insane geographically, but institutionally and academically, they fit together. SMU is willing to join for nothing anyways; they have wealthy donors.
Meanwhile the football first schools are sick of the way the conference has been run. I would say adding Notre Dame would help, but from what I understand, the contract with ESPN can't be negotiated till 2036. It's an asinine deal.
It's rather insane....and bottomline, is if the ACC wants to keep their football money-makers in Clemson and FSU, they need to be paying them more. It's all sort of too little too late.
The winners in conference realignment have been the conferences that have simply been managed better.
Honestly if those 8 schools broke away along with let's say Pitt and added WVU, that's a pretty solid 10-team league that makes geographical sense. And gets rid of Lville, Syracuse, BC, Duke, and Wake which I don't think move the needle in football. They could probably get a TV deal the same as the current ACC deal, but only have to split the pie 10 ways instead of 14 = instant raise.
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 24, 2023 14:48:22 GMT
I still think we'll see FSU and Clemson headed to the Big 10. I just haven't seen alot to disprove this. The SEC could always step in and make a play, but the Big 10 might actually be the better deal. I think if FSU and Clemson (or perhaps Miami) weren't in play for the Big 10, we'd already see them invite Stanford. It wouldn't surprise me if this all happens next summer with FSU and Clemson headed out of the ACC to somewhere new for 2025.
I've also read interesting stuff on the state connection between North Carolina and NC State, pretty much stating that UNC will not go anywhere without NC State. This makes me think, if FSU and Clemson, head to the Big 10, the SEC will make a move to invite North Carolina + NC State, and probably Virginia Tech and someone else. Miami? Louisville? Idk
Stanford, Cal, and strangely, SMU have been mentioned as possible ACC expansion candidates, specifically at the behest of Notre Dame. If Stanford doesn't end up in the Big 10, I think they do end up in the ACC after some teams leave. And I think this is purely academic...obviously, because the geography blows. The ACC could end up, should they lose some teams, inviting Stanford, Cal, SMU, Rice, Tulane, and South Florida to shore up an academic conference. All of those schools are AAU.
The Stanford-SMU connection has been a bizarre pairing as well. SMU has somehow floated to the top of remaining Texas schools, and I could see them actually becoming more valuable than TCU or Baylor.
What happens with Miami FL? I don't know...
And....would Clemson really follow FSU to the Big 10 if they had an SEC invite in hand?
I could see Clemson breaking with FSU and following UNC, NC State, and Virginia Tech to the SEC. If that were to occur, maybe the Big 10 switches a Clemson invite with Miami FL (now AAU)
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So, to sum up, I don't see the ACC surviving till 2036 (GOR length). I think its inevitable that 6-7 teams bolt to the SEC and Big 10.
I don't see the ACC dying though...Pitt, Syracuse, Duke, and the leftovers can add plenty of teams. If Stanford is part of that mix, the conference could lean towards highly academic schools.
Is it true that only 8 schools from the ACC would need to withdraw in order to not have to pay exit fees or penalties? If that's true, why wouldn't the following schools all just leave at once to either form their own smaller league (and more regional league) with fewer mouths to feed...or to join the SEC/Big Ten? Miami FSU GaTech Clemson UNC NC State UVA VaTech SEC and Big Ten each take one VA school and one NC school and one FL school. One takes GaTech and the other Clemson. Done.
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 24, 2023 14:44:19 GMT
Southern Cal (and you say perhaps FSU) in the Big Ten?
Stanford in the ACC?
WVU in the same conference as Utah and UCF?
This is all completely ridiculous. Why are we letting TV networks ruin college football? Someone needs to step up and bring some sanity to all of this.
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 18, 2023 14:11:55 GMT
Condeleeza Rice and Bush Jr are speaking on behalf of Stanford and SMU respectively rumor is the ACC will have another vote tomorrow I wouldn't be shocked to see a vote flip to adding them. Notre Dame really wants them in the conference They should tell Notre Dame "we will grant your wish and add Stanford when you agree to join as a full time member in football." Of course Notre Dame will never do that (with the ACC.) They used the Big East for the same purpose until the Big East died and they will do the same to the ACC.
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Post by GatorGrad on Aug 14, 2023 14:05:56 GMT
Apple isn't going to sign anything close to the same deal they were originally offering. That deal included Oregon, Washington, Arizona, ASU, and Utah. I doubt Apple is even interested anymore and if they are it will be for way less than the prior deal they were discussing. I still think Stanford eventually ends up in the Big Ten. Maybe they can offer to not get paid for several years to make it happen. Because right now Stanford doesn't have the votes to get into the ACC and they don't want to be in the Big 12. If they aren't interested in the Big 12, they they sure aren't going to want to play with the above collection of schools. If the Big 10 was going to take Stanford, wouldn't right now be the prime opportunity to take them? What are they waiting on? Same thing they were waiting on in between adding the USC/UCLA followed by Oregon/Washington. Took two years. Politics, votes, seeing if they can convince Notre Dame to come with Stanford to get to 20 schools overall, etc. But mainly...negotiating the money involved. In Oregon and Washington's case, FOX finally agreed to pay pro-rata to add them so that existing schools didn't take a pay cut. In Stanford's case, FOX may not want to pay the same amount and even if they do, the other schools may ask them to only take home a small % of it so that they can make more money while Stanford "buys their way in" to eventually become full members.
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