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Post by Bevo on Mar 18, 2017 20:17:51 GMT
No.. but I DO RECALL seeing video of people cheering, IN AMERICA, on TV. It happened, and it was reported. I saw what I suspect was the same video, and reports that Trump saw. Not "tens of thousands" here, more like a hundred. There WERE "tens of thousands" shown celebrating in Gaza. I assume that you also recall seeing the video of Abraham Lincoln's assassination... No, but I do recall you saying you were an eye witnes.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Mar 18, 2017 20:39:48 GMT
I'm not going too watch this crap... Lol. Why does a picture of an ostrich with its head buried in the sand suddenly come to mind? Fortunately, the link not only provides the video of Kellyanne Conway saying it, it also provides the transcript! You can turn a blind eye to the video, but if you read on, you will learn something: CHUCK TODD: --answer the question of why the president asked the White House press secretary to come out in front of the podium for the first time and utter a falsehood? Why did he do that? It undermines the credibility of the entire White House press office-- KELLYANNE CONWAY: No it doesn't. CHUCK TODD:--on day one. KELLYANNE CONWAY: Don't be so overly dramatic about it, Chuck. What-- You're saying it's a falsehood. And they're giving Sean Spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that. But the point remains-- CHUCK TODD: Wait a minute-- Alternative facts? Alternative facts? Four of the five facts he uttered, the one thing he got right was Zeke Miller. Four of the five facts he uttered were just not true. Look, alternative facts are not facts. They're falsehoods. I said that it was a euphemism, no one else. And, I might just be the most conservative person on this forum. Who else is standing up for free trade? Who else opposes Trump's proposal for universal health care? Who else believes in balancing the federal budget, instead of exploding it a la Trump? Who else is standing up for cuts and reforms in entitlements, which Trump has declared to be untouchable? If you want to demonize it, at least get your characterization straight. "Euphemism" was my own, unique, personal conservative blow-hard opinion. I originated it. Unlke you, tigercpa and Hero, I can think for myself. I don't have to copy cat ad nauseum terms like "fake news".
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Mar 18, 2017 20:40:55 GMT
I assume that you also recall seeing the video of Abraham Lincoln's assassination... No, but I do recall you saying you were an eye witnes. Yes, but I was a kid at the time...
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Post by Bevo on Mar 19, 2017 3:03:14 GMT
Why does a picture of an ostrich with its head buried in the sand suddenly come to mind? Dude.. CHILL! I'm not going to watch it because, I SAW it, live.. when it happened. And, I've seen it at least three times since. This might come as a shock to you, but.,. some of us don't just sit here and wait for you to post things so we can see the news. Sheesh. I said that it was a euphemism, no one else. Sorry.. it was hard to tell what words were yours, and what words were lifted from Wikipedia. Regardless, it's NOT "fact"... It's opinion. And, a mis-guided one, in my own opinion, And, I might just be the most conservative person on this forum. Who else is standing up for free trade? I stand for FAIR trade, not just "free". Who else opposes Trump's proposal for universal health care? Trump is not proposing universal health care. That's just you again, making shit up. Just because he said that once, years ago... does not make it fact. He's working, right now, on a REAL proposal that is a long way from universal health care. Who else believes in balancing the federal budget, instead of exploding it a la Trump? Me Who else is standing up for cuts and reforms in entitlements, which Trump has declared to be untouchable? Me I originated it. Unlke you, tigercpa and Hero, I can think for myself. LOL yea... what a great point you have there. You are the ONLY one in the world capable of an original thought. lol
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Mar 20, 2017 16:49:04 GMT
Bevo: Dude.. CHILL! I'm not going to watch it because, I SAW it, live.. when it happened. And, I've seen it at least three times since. FHF: You said: "This is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about. Kellyann Conway most decisively DID NOT invent the term "Alternative facts".... Just because some fellow Trump-hater poster that on Wikipedia does NOT make this true. But, you've accepted it.. hook, line and sinker." You saw Kellyann Conway use the term "alternative facts" live and at least three times since! I provided you with the video and the transcript. Dude. FHF: Who else believes in balancing the federal budget, instead of exploding it a la Trump? Bevo: Me FHF: Who else is standing up for cuts and reforms in entitlements, which Trump has declared to be untouchable? Bevo: Me FHF: Not fair. You are supposed to march in lockstep with Hero and tigercpa. FHF: I originated it. Unlke you, tigercpa and Hero, I can think for myself. Bevo: LOL yea... what a great point you have there. You are the ONLY one in the world capable of an original thought. FHF: Good to see that you have finally realized it.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 20, 2017 19:44:05 GMT
You really need to re-think you're formatting... it's almost as impossible to follow as your logic.
I THINK>>> your reply to the first point is:
You saw Kellyann Conway use the term "alternative facts" live and at least three times since! I provided you with the video and the transcript. Dude
My response to you is quite simple: I have NEVER disputed the FACT that Kellyann said this... I merely pointed out, she did NOT "INVENT" this phrase. I've heard it before. Hell, I've USED it before. It's actually a pretty useful phrase in this time when "facts" are so often in dispute.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 20, 2017 19:49:07 GMT
What is wrong with "the goal of “insurance for everybody,”. Shouldn't that be our goal? We should hope to have a system where EVERYBODY is willing and able to afford some type of insurance.
"Universal Coverage", as used in the media, is the liberal wet-dream of government provided, single-payer (government) health care for all. The proposal that Trump and Ryan are working on now is NOT that. Not by a long shot.
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Post by tigercpa on Mar 20, 2017 20:09:30 GMT
What is wrong with "the goal of “insurance for everybody,”. Shouldn't that be our goal? We should hope to have a system where EVERYBODY is willing and able to afford some type of insurance. "Universal Coverage", as used in the media, is the liberal wet-dream of government provided, single-payer (government) health care for all. The proposal that Trump and Ryan are working on now is NOT that. Not by a long shot. Maybe - too often we focus on coverage and not care, like the recent CBO estimates. for example, a family of 4 has current Obama care "coverage" with an 11,000 deductible. Child gets sick goes to urgent care for diagnosis and treatment- 650, which the family pays out of pocket plus missed work time for parent accompaniment. What good did the coverage do? Paying premiums plus oop...
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Mar 20, 2017 22:03:56 GMT
You really need to re-think you're formatting... it's almost as impossible to follow as your logic. I THINK>>> your reply to the first point is: You saw Kellyann Conway use the term "alternative facts" live and at least three times since! I provided you with the video and the transcript. Dude
My response to you is quite simple: I have NEVER disputed the FACT that Kellyann said this... I merely pointed out, she did NOT "INVENT" this phrase. I've heard it before. Hell, I've USED it before. It's actually a pretty useful phrase in this time when "facts" are so often in dispute. Why I am not surprised that you have difficulty following point by point? Facts are unyielding and indisputable. If something is in dispute, it is either an opinion or a hypothesis. There is no such animal as "alternative facts". That is why it is a euphemism for lies. Dude.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Mar 20, 2017 22:13:32 GMT
1. What is wrong with "the goal of “insurance for everybody,”. Shouldn't that be our goal? We should hope to have a system where EVERYBODY is willing and able to afford some type of insurance. NO! It shouldn't be our goal! People should have the right to opt to not purchase health insurance. 2. "Universal Coverage", as used in the media, is the liberal wet-dream of government provided, single-payer (government) health care for all. The proposal that Trump and Ryan are working on now is NOT that. Not by a long shot. Trump is an avowed proponent of universal health care, which he reaffirmed on January 16 and again, through Tom Price, yesterday. Recently, I asked why does the government have to micromanage health insurance? The answer was crickets chirping. What is wrong allowing the free market to do its thing? I discovered last night that I am not alone -- Ann Coulter agrees with me totally. That reaffirms how smart she is.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 20, 2017 23:32:05 GMT
Why I am not surprised that you have difficulty following point by point? You said: "This is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about. Kellyann Conway most decisively DID NOT invent the term "Alternative facts".... Just because some fellow Trump-hater poster that on Wikipedia does NOT make this true. But, you've accepted it.. hook, line and sinker." You saw Kellyann Conway use the term "alternative facts" live and at least three times since! I provided you with the video and the transcript.Yea.. when you don't bother to change the font, or even START A NEW PARAGRAPH? Hell, you didn't even add a SPACE! It can be difficult for the reader to tell when your "brilliance" begins.. Facts are unyielding and indisputable. If something is in dispute, it is either an opinion or a hypothesis. There is no such animal as "alternative facts". That is why it is a euphemism for lies. Dude. Presenting "alternative facts" is a polite way of telling someone, THEY are lying.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 20, 2017 23:40:46 GMT
1. What is wrong with "the goal of “insurance for everybody,”. Shouldn't that be our goal? We should hope to have a system where EVERYBODY is willing and able to afford some type of insurance. NO! It shouldn't be our goal! People should have the right to opt to not purchase health insurance. 2. "Universal Coverage", as used in the media, is the liberal wet-dream of government provided, single-payer (government) health care for all. The proposal that Trump and Ryan are working on now is NOT that. Not by a long shot. Trump is an avowed proponent of universal health care, which he reaffirmed on January 16 and again, through Tom Price, yesterday. Recently, I asked why does the government have to micromanage health insurance? The answer was crickets chirping. What is wrong allowing the free market to do its thing? I discovered last night that I am not alone -- Ann Coulter agrees with me totally. That reaffirms how smart she is. The GOAL should always be to present a system so awesome that EVERYONE will want to be a part of it. If people CHOOSE not to? That's perfectly Ok. By the definition of "Universal Health care" that I just provided you, Trump is definitely NOT a proponent. Or, if he is, that is NOT what he's calling for now. Sorry.. but, I've never seen you say a word about why government has to micromanage health care??? The free market would do a MUCH better job. Sadly, we lost that battle 8 years ago.. when Obama swept all branches of power. He was able to institute a government takeover of much of our healthcare industry. Now? It's a POLITICAL battle to try to change things back. No one on earth stands a better chance than Trump of moving us BACK to a more free market oriented approach. But, it's an uphill battle. Now, doing so is "taking health care away from millions". Trump is taking on a MAJOR entitlement program, right now, with this ObamaCare repeal/replace.... It's a tough fight. Much of what is being proposed is... bringing market forces back into the game: With HSA's, free-market plan offerings, inter-state policies, and freer group alignments. The tax credit rebates are not my optimum way of doing things.. but, the political realities must be faced. A 52 vote majority in the Senate doesn't allow complete freedom of options.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Mar 21, 2017 0:45:17 GMT
Why I am not surprised that you have difficulty following point by point? You said: "This is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about. Kellyann Conway most decisively DID NOT invent the term "Alternative facts".... Just because some fellow Trump-hater poster that on Wikipedia does NOT make this true. But, you've accepted it.. hook, line and sinker." You saw Kellyann Conway use the term "alternative facts" live and at least three times since! I provided you with the video and the transcript.Yea.. when you don't bother to change the font, or even START A NEW PARAGRAPH? Hell, you didn't even add a SPACE! It can be difficult for the reader to tell when your "brilliance" begins.. Facts are unyielding and indisputable. If something is in dispute, it is either an opinion or a hypothesis. There is no such animal as "alternative facts". That is why it is a euphemism for lies. Dude. Presenting "alternative facts" is a polite way of telling someone, THEY are lying. My brilliance is only exceeded by my modesty. Chuck Todd caught Sean Spicer lying. Red handed. Conway tried, but failed, to rationalize Spicer's lies by claiming that they were based on mysterious "alternate facts". Todd called her to task, and she quickly learned that Spicer's lies could not be glossed over by a euphemism. The generally accepted euphemism for lies is "political spin".
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Post by tigercpa on Mar 21, 2017 8:12:08 GMT
You said: "This is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about. Kellyann Conway most decisively DID NOT invent the term "Alternative facts".... Just because some fellow Trump-hater poster that on Wikipedia does NOT make this true. But, you've accepted it.. hook, line and sinker." You saw Kellyann Conway use the term "alternative facts" live and at least three times since! I provided you with the video and the transcript.Yea.. when you don't bother to change the font, or even START A NEW PARAGRAPH? Hell, you didn't even add a SPACE! It can be difficult for the reader to tell when your "brilliance" begins.. Presenting "alternative facts" is a polite way of telling someone, THEY are lying. My brilliance is only exceeded by my modesty. Chuck Todd caught Sean Spicer lying. Red handed. Conway tried, but failed, to rationalize Spicer's lies by claiming that they were based on mysterious "alternate facts". Todd called her to task, and she quickly learned that Spicer's lies could not be glossed over by a euphemism. The generally accepted euphemism for lies is "political spin". What did he lie about?
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Mar 21, 2017 11:29:35 GMT
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