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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 14, 2017 10:05:56 GMT
Nice try, Bevo, but revisionist history is not your forte. As usual, you tried to make it personal. But, that doesn’t change the facts, which undermine your protestations. Trump has repeatedly said, and tweeted, that allegations of Russian interference in the U.S. election are a hoax, in stark defiance of the consensus of the U.S. intelligence community and Republican congressional leadership. Bottom line: after Russia attacked the United States, Donald Trump practically stood alone in defending Russia. Any number of Trump quotes could have been strong candidates for the Lie of the Year award, but his rationale for failing to come to the defense of America’s sovereignty is the obvious winner. “President Donald Trump took to Twitter on Thursday to call Russian interference in the 2016 election a "big Dem hoax"” abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-calls-russia-election-hack-big-dem-hoax/story?id=48206952www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/trump-is-back-to-calling-russian-election-interference-a-hoax
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 14, 2017 12:14:25 GMT
Nice try, Bevo, but revisionist history is not your forte. As usual, you tried to make it personal. But, that doesn’t change the facts, which undermine your protestations. Trump has repeatedly said, and tweeted, that allegations of Russian interference in the U.S. election are a hoax , in stark defiance of the consensus of the U.S. intelligence community and Republican congressional leadership.Bottom line: after Russia attacked the United States, Donald Trump practically stood alone in defending Russia. Any number of Trump quotes could have been strong candidates for the Lie of the Year award, but his rationale for failing to come to the defense of America’s sovereignty is the obvious winner. “President Donald Trump took to Twitter on Thursday to call Russian interference in the 2016 election a "big Dem hoax"” abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-calls-russia-election-hack-big-dem-hoax/story?id=48206952www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/trump-is-back-to-calling-russian-election-interference-a-hoaxGiven the evidence we now have, how much longer are you are gonna continue to trust that manipluated storyline? The very ones who were compromised, or were directly involved in perpetrating fraud against Trump - their "insurance policy" in case Trump won? I've been trying to educate you on this for months. Not 17 agencies but 3 agencies “1. FBI, 2. CIA – who both had high confidence & 3. NSA – who had only moderate confidence that Russia had tried to interfere in 2016 election. (Adm Rodgers stating that as most of the Intel came from overseas; he could not confer interference more than to say with moderate confidence– otherwise saying it was possible but not actual fact. The FBI, CIA and NSA team of investigators were only a “handpicked few dozen people” (picked by sleazy Brennan and Clapper) that were engaged to investigate Russian Interference in 2016 election... The IC Report that Russian interference "occurred"… was actually another dodgy document that simply showed how hacking could occur, interspersed with overly technical jargon. This is where Brennan and Clapper debuted as fictional co-writers. Remember, Brennan and his firm were the same ones that "inadvertently" accessed Obama's passport records in 2007. They also "accessed" Hillary's and McCain's as a subterfuge. Those involved used Ham radios and burner phones to communicate amongst themselves and Hillary in an attempt to avoid SIGINT detection. This constitutes an active, deliberate action taken by the FBI against one candidate for US President, while aiding the other. Talk about "interference" and "meddling" and generally destroying the US elective process.... Over the past two weeks we have seen releases from the DOJ Office of Inspector General that appear to be building toward a much more consequential outcome. The corruption is jaw-dropping. The very heart of the U.S. system of Law (DOJ) and Order (FBI) is now being questioned.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 14, 2017 13:50:14 GMT
I can respect a thoughtful argument, even if wrong.
Please let me know where I am wrong: 1. Bevo’s position is that Trump never said that the Russians did not meddle in the U.S. election and, thus, is being unfairly accused of lying. 2. Your position is that Trump was initially correct when he said that allegations of Russian interference in the election was a hoax. Thus, Trump was initially truthful (but is lying now?). 3. My position, which is supported overwhelmingly by public opinion, members of Congress of both parties, congressional leadership of both parties, the CIA, etc., is that the Russian government, at the highest level, directed a multi-phased attack on the election that was intended to undermine public confidence in the election. Therefore, Trump lied when he claimed that Russian meddling is a hoax.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 14, 2017 13:59:13 GMT
Nice try, Bevo, but revisionist history is not your forte. As usual, you tried to make it personal. But, that doesn’t change the facts, which undermine your protestations. Trump has repeatedly said, and tweeted, that allegations of Russian interference in the U.S. election are a hoax, in stark defiance of the consensus of the U.S. intelligence community and Republican congressional leadership. Bottom line: after Russia attacked the United States, Donald Trump practically stood alone in defending Russia. Any number of Trump quotes could have been strong candidates for the Lie of the Year award, but his rationale for failing to come to the defense of America’s sovereignty is the obvious winner. “President Donald Trump took to Twitter on Thursday to call Russian interference in the 2016 election a "big Dem hoax"” abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-calls-russia-election-hack-big-dem-hoax/story?id=48206952www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/trump-is-back-to-calling-russian-election-interference-a-hoaxLinking to other headline writers that are as deceptive as you are does not bolster your case. You have zero credibility with me.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 14, 2017 15:22:50 GMT
I can respect a thoughtful argument, even if wrong. Please let me know where I am wrong: 1. Bevo’s position is that Trump never said that the Russians did not meddle in the U.S. election and, thus, is being unfairly accused of lying. 2. Your position is that Trump was initially correct when he said that allegations of Russian interference in the election was a hoax. Thus, Trump was initially truthful (but is lying now?). 3. My position, which is supported overwhelmingly by public opinion, members of Congress of both parties, congressional leadership of both parties, the CIA, etc., is that the Russian government, at the highest level, directed a multi-phased attack on the election that was intended to undermine public confidence in the election. Therefore, Trump lied when he claimed that Russian meddling is a hoax. The problem in bold, as I see it is, most of those people were crafting a false narrative. They were the ones pushing the lies. As far as Trumps view, perhaps he was agreeing to simply deflect and appear that he had given in or "finally accepted" the ruse in order to derail those against him? It fits with his broader strategies.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 14, 2017 15:56:09 GMT
I don't see Trump firing Mueller...
Mueller isn't hurting Trump AT ALL, but he is exposing the hell out of the corruption of the Dems. When you look at the results, Trump's REAL strategy begins to emerge...
At this point, we have to seriously consider that Hillary and Obama, via the FBI, presented the fake Trump dossier as legitimate intelligence to the FISA court.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 14, 2017 17:20:55 GMT
Nice try, Bevo, but revisionist history is not your forte. As usual, you tried to make it personal. But, that doesn’t change the facts, which undermine your protestations. Trump has repeatedly said, and tweeted, that allegations of Russian interference in the U.S. election are a hoax, in stark defiance of the consensus of the U.S. intelligence community and Republican congressional leadership. Bottom line: after Russia attacked the United States, Donald Trump practically stood alone in defending Russia. Any number of Trump quotes could have been strong candidates for the Lie of the Year award, but his rationale for failing to come to the defense of America’s sovereignty is the obvious winner. “President Donald Trump took to Twitter on Thursday to call Russian interference in the 2016 election a "big Dem hoax"” abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-calls-russia-election-hack-big-dem-hoax/story?id=48206952www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/trump-is-back-to-calling-russian-election-interference-a-hoaxLinking to other headline writers that are as deceptive as you are does not bolster your case. You have zero credibility with me. Your problem is with Trump. The referenced articles quote him directly. His own words totally undermine your argument. He said and tweeted on repeated occasions that reports of Russian meddling in the U.S. election are a hoax. And, you have the audacity to question my credibility after I have brought you the incontrovertible evidence? Lol. I doubt if I will lose a wink of sleep tonight.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 14, 2017 17:27:12 GMT
I can respect a thoughtful argument, even if wrong. Please let me know where I am wrong: 1. Bevo’s position is that Trump never said that the Russians did not meddle in the U.S. election and, thus, is being unfairly accused of lying. 2. Your position is that Trump was initially correct when he said that allegations of Russian interference in the election was a hoax. Thus, Trump was initially truthful (but is lying now?). 3. My position, which is supported overwhelmingly by public opinion, members of Congress of both parties, congressional leadership of both parties, the CIA, etc., is that the Russian government, at the highest level, directed a multi-phased attack on the election that was intended to undermine public confidence in the election. Therefore, Trump lied when he claimed that Russian meddling is a hoax. The problem in bold, as I see it is, most of those people were crafting a false narrative. They were the ones pushing the lies. As far as Trumps view, perhaps he was agreeing to simply deflect and appear that he had given in or "finally accepted" the ruse in order to derail those against him? It fits with his broader strategies. I am trying to wrap my mind around the staggering conspiracy required for the general public, leaders and members of both political parties and federal departments and agencies to collectively craft such a “false narrative”. Even Donald Trump has come around to accept that the Russians meddled in the November elections. However, I will give you credit for staying the course.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 14, 2017 20:03:56 GMT
Imagine an FBI agent like Peter Strzok with text messages saying they couldn't take the risk of Obama being elected and had an insurance policy for it. The left would be rioting in the streets.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 14, 2017 20:05:36 GMT
The problem in bold, as I see it is, most of those people were crafting a false narrative. They were the ones pushing the lies. As far as Trumps view, perhaps he was agreeing to simply deflect and appear that he had given in or "finally accepted" the ruse in order to derail those against him? It fits with his broader strategies. I am trying to wrap my mind around the staggering conspiracy required for the general public, leaders and members of both political parties and federal departments and agencies to collectively craft such a “false narrative”. Even Donald Trump has come around to accept that the Russians meddled in the November elections. However, I will give you credit for staying the course. As Hen will tell you, the voting public is filled with dumbth. The people at the top crafted the false narrative, and was promulgated by a complicit media. The dumbth believe anything "the news" says.
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Post by Hero on Dec 14, 2017 23:09:47 GMT
Imagine an FBI agent like Peter Strzok with text messages saying they couldn't take the risk of Obama being elected and had an insurance policy for it. The left would be rioting in the streets. No doubt
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 15, 2017 12:26:57 GMT
Wow, that's a heckuva change:
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 15, 2017 17:41:39 GMT
truepundit.com/exclusive-six-u-s-agencies-conspired-to-illegally-wiretap-trump-british-intel-used-as-front-to-spy-on-campaign-for-nsa/And none of it was very legal. In fact, most of it was very illegal, according to federal law enforcement sources who are blowing the whistle on a sweeping scheme to undermine the Executive branch and the electorate’s choice for president of the United States. And according to high ranking FBI sources, the Bureau played a definitive role in plotting this sweeping privacy breach. But the FBI had much help from the NSA, CIA, the Office of of the Director of National Intelligence, Treasury financial crimes division under DHS, and the Justice Department, federal law enforcement sources confirmed. The Deep State caretakers involved are familiar names: James Comey (FBI), John Brennan (CIA), James Clapper (ODNI), Loretta Lynch (DOJ), Jeh Johnson (DHS), Admiral Michael Rogers (NSA). And then-director of GCHQ Robert Hannigan who has since resigned from the esteemed British spy agency. President Barack Obama’s White House too could be implicated, sources said. But while evidence certainly points to involvement of the Obama administration, sources said they did not have access to definitive intelligence proving such a link. Here is what we now know, per intelligence gleaned form federal law enforcement sources with insider knowledge of what amounts to a plot by U.S. intelligence agencies to secure back door and illegal wiretaps of President Trump’s associates:
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 19, 2017 13:04:45 GMT
Just a reminder that CNN, CBS and MSNBC have yet to explain how numerous “independent” sources all misread the date on an email in calls to each of those three outlets. No explanation. None.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 20, 2017 21:39:00 GMT
McCabe got GRILLED for 8 hours last night by Senators... and, barely a PEEP about it in the news today. Certainly, not a word on MSNBC. They spent all morning congratulating each other on how badly the Dems are going to SMOKE Republicans in 2018...
McCabe, IMHO, is toast. He is the walking definition of "Conflict of Interest"... and now, he's smack in the middle of the "FBI Collusion to destroy Trump" case.
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