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Post by Bevo on Jan 8, 2018 13:58:34 GMT
The idea that the problem is UCF 's OOC scheduling is laughable UCF scheduled OK for OOC, but didn't get to PLAY one of the games. Meanwhile, their IN CONFERENCE schedule was significantly weaker.
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Post by redwood on Jan 8, 2018 14:23:40 GMT
Laughable? I did not realize that Disney/ESPN conspiracy controlled the UCF schedule. I was under the impression each school made their own schedule.
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Post by EvilVodka on Jan 8, 2018 14:30:38 GMT
Laughable? I did not realize that Disney/ESPN conspiracy controlled the UCF schedule. I was under the impression each school made their own schedule. So UCF controls their own schedule? So if they wanted, they could have an SEC schedule, maybe with OOC home games against Notre Dame, USC, Ohio State, and Michigan? no team controls the strength of their conference or their OOC really your argument is brainwashed college football crap. Real sports don't give a flying crap about SOS. You win your conference/division and you are in
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Post by Bevo on Jan 8, 2018 16:53:51 GMT
So UCF controls their own schedule? As much as all other teams do, yes. Given that they are the highest spending G5 team, it's pretty likely, IMO, that they will be invited to a P5 conference very soon. Hopefully, to the Big 12. Of course, if TCU is any guide, such a move will likely dramatically cut their win totals... at least, for a couple of years.
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Post by cjhawkeyes on Jan 8, 2018 17:01:30 GMT
The "weakness" of UCF's schedule is based on the perception of their opponents' abilities which is not something objective SOS is concerned with. Based on FBS games only, if we add W% + OW% to rank teams, UCF makes the top four and owns the highest score among non power teams over 40 seasons. If we add OOW% to the equation to rank teams, UCF still makes the top four and owns the highest score among non power teams over 40 seasons. And if we go further and add OOOW% to the equation, UCF still makes the top four and owns highest non power score over 40 seasons. None of this says anything about the difficulty of UCF's schedule but SOS is not specifically about that although the any SOS metric may be intuitively designed to reward difficulty as much as possible. SOS is about how accomplished your opponents are according to whatever it is any rules/SOS metric value.
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Post by bluehen on Jan 8, 2018 18:42:17 GMT
Laughable? I did not realize that Disney/ESPN conspiracy controlled the UCF schedule. I was under the impression each school made their own schedule. UCF - " can we join your conference for a better schedule ? " SEC - "NO" UCF - "well can we schedule some home and home games with you ?" SEC - "NO" UCF - " We're 13-0. Can we play in your championship ? " SEC - "No, you're not P5 and don't play a tough enough schedule "
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Post by redwood on Jan 8, 2018 19:47:17 GMT
"The AP has pretty much given it away," Nebraska quarterback Scott Frost said. "It's up to the coaches. I'm proud of this team and proud of Coach Osborne, and I don't want to see him go out without a championship. I basically have two points for the coaches. dataomaha.com/huskers/history/game/1998-1-2-tennessee"One, if you can look yourself in the mirror and say if your job depended on playing either Michigan or Nebraska, who would you rather play? The Rose Bowl ended with a controversial play at the end. We took apart the third-ranked team in the country. "Two, I can't see how any coach outside the Big Ten or the Pac-10 could vote for Michigan. If the other coaches finished undefeated and won the Alliance Bowl game, they would expect to share the national title. It's been split before. It's OK to split it again." Well, quoting the USC People's 2017 National Champion: "would Alabama rather play Georgia or UCF." Would Georgia rather play Alabama or UCF." I will just take it from the "horse's mouth."
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Post by Bevo on Jan 8, 2018 21:32:07 GMT
I have more sympathy for UCF than for Ohio State. The Buckeyes had everything they needed in their grasp. All they had to do differently was: Beat Iowa.
UCF players (and coaches) did ALL they could do. They've been as successful as they possibly could. They were defeated only by "the system", and one freaky hurricane.
That said, in the system we now have, I believe the correct choices were made.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 8, 2018 21:32:47 GMT
I will just take it from the "horse's mouth." LOL did you research this yourself? or read it somewhere?
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 11, 2018 18:28:39 GMT
Conference Champs with 8-game league schedule: • 10 out of 10 made Playoff
Conference Champs with 9-game league schedule: • 4 out of 10 made Playoff
Simply put, the 9-game slate significantly HURTS Playoff chances.
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Post by redwood on Jan 11, 2018 21:42:50 GMT
Some facts to gnaw on in the midst of all the whining and finger pointing about who should and should not be in the playoffs.
24/7 Recruiting average over past 5 years:
Alabama .......1.0
Ohio State ....3.6
Georgia ........7.2
USC .............7.8
Clemson ......13.6
Oklahoma ....14.2
UCF .............67.0
4 team playoff average: 9.0
2 team championship: 4:1
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Post by cjhawkeyes on Jan 12, 2018 0:58:25 GMT
Some facts to gnaw on in the midst of all the whining and finger pointing about who should and should not be in the playoffs. 24/7 Recruiting average over past 5 years: Alabama .......1.0 Ohio State ....3.6 Georgia ........7.2 USC .............7.8 Clemson ......13.6 Oklahoma ....14.2 UCF .............67.0
4 team playoff average: 9.0 2 team championship: 4:1 This is irrelevant to how legitimate competitions operate. With most every other sport, teams advance based on beating the competition according to the rules in play. If you are a better team, that is advantage towards beating the competition. Better teams still have to beat lesser teams at the rules in play. The point of competition is to determine a winner. It is not to identify and validate the best teams.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 12, 2018 1:34:51 GMT
This is irrelevant to how legitimate competitions operate. With most every other sport, teams advance based on beating the competition according to the rules in play. If you are a better team, that is advantage towards beating the competition. Better teams still have to beat lesser teams at the rules in play. The point of competition is to determine a winner. It is not to identify and validate the best teams. I agree with you: recruiting is 100% irrelevant to what teams should be considered for the playoffs. It might correlate, but... but it should NEVER be a deciding factor. But, here's the cold hard truth: FBS football is made up of a CRAP LOAD of teams, all playing at greatly disparate levels of competition. There are LONG held, traditional factions (conferences and bowls) that drive practically ALL of the interest and the bulk of the revenue for this sport. These factions demand a significant portion of the season to hold their own, internal regional competitions. That leaves precious little time available for any kind of overall, nation-wide tournament similar to what most "other sports do". For nearly 100 years, there was ZERO effort toward a national competition at all. Only very recently has there been ANY effort in doing so. Given the limited time, huge number of teams, and the power of the controlling conferences.. (not to mention the traditional bowls) there will NEVER BE a system like most other sports, where every team has a chance to compete against every other team, or even to be assured of a chance to "play their way into" the Title competition. There will ALWAYS be a higher level of subjectivity in the process of "selecting which teams will be given a chance to play in a limited playoff." There may be changes, or growth to the number of teams selected. Or, there may not be any change. But, we're NEVER going to a system that gives conference with such a high degree of competitive imbalance an equal shot at placing their Champion into post-season competition. If that's the only thing that will make you happy? Then, maybe college football isn't your thang? Might want to take an interest in curling, or extreme-snow boarding.
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 13, 2018 4:03:27 GMT
2018 NON-CONFERENCE
• Teams that play at least TWO Power 5 opponents
Clemson (ACC) Duke (ACC) FSU (ACC) Louisville (ACC) Pitt (ACC) Northwestern (Big Ten) Ohio State (Big Ten) Purdue (Big Ten) Texas (Big12) WVU (Big12) USC (Pac-12)
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 13, 2018 13:17:03 GMT
Only 2 teams from Power 5 conferences are playing not just one, but TWO FCS opponents:
• Auburn (SEC, 8-game schedule) • Florida (SEC, 8-game schedule)
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