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Post by ajbuckeye on Nov 5, 2018 15:20:25 GMT
3 P5 Undefeated Teams Bama, Clemson, ND 8 P5 1 Loss Teams UGA, WVU, Oklahoma, Washington St , scUM, tOSU, Kentucky, LSU1 G5 Undefeated UCF
Evernyone who was supposed to win did that this week
1 and 1A Clemson and Bama both look unstoppable
3 ND They continue to win unimpressively. I would not be surpised if they take it on the chin against USC. 4 scUM looked really good and solidified the fourth spot. They are in if they win 5 UGA Still controls its destiny
6 Oklahoma very dynamic offense but they give up way too many points 7 WVU very nice win and best game of the day beating Texas in Austin 8 Wash St Survived last week against at home against a mediocre Cal team.
9 Ohio St continues to sleepwalk through the season
10 UCF Took a hit with 2 of teams on the remaining schedule with 1 loss now have 2 losses. About 10 things need to happen for them to be considered and in the end they still probably don't get in.
This week tOSU at MSU the bubble could burst MSU at Bama Don't see a let down for BAMA
FSU at ND FSU still has the athletes but they are a bad team getting worse
Clemson at BC Clemsons biggest remaining challenge. May be playing a .500 in the CCG OK vs Ok St Whatever defense holds the other to under 40 wins
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Post by Hero on Nov 6, 2018 0:47:38 GMT
OK vs Ok St Whatever defense holds the other to under 40 wins
Laughing...the team that has the ball last wins. The BIG12 is like a separate league from the rest of the P5.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 6, 2018 1:53:13 GMT
OK vs Ok St Whatever defense holds the other to under 40 wins
Laughing...the team that has the ball last wins. The BIG12 is like a separate league from the rest of the P5. The talent level in the Big 12 is SUBSTANTIALLY BELOW the SEC and the B1G. We HAVE to do things differently to have a chance. This is something I think many here fail to appreciate. The SEC has the MOST NFL level talent. That, is a non-disputable FACT. Playing against that level of talent, week after week, takes a physical toll. UCF would be decimated. I know.. I've seen this happen to Kentucky teams year after year. That's why, I think it's VERY unfair for a G5 team to get an auto-bid to a single elimination Tourney. They get a cake walk to a 3-week tourney to win it all. They might well be able to pull off a 3-game season. But, is it fair? I don't think so. Nebraska was gifted a BUNCH of National titles just this way.. they played NO ONE all year, except OU. A 1-game cake-walk to a title game, where.... they often lost.
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Post by bluehen on Nov 6, 2018 12:27:17 GMT
Bevo, buddy, you're very lost regarding the Nebraska perception. This tough SEC you perceive has won EXACTLY 8 games vs Nebraska out of 26 tries....8 for 26. Think about it.
Also, during the Devanney & Osborne power years (62-97) the Huskers were 10-1 vs the mighty tough SEC. in bowls....10-1. That means the SEC had a 10% success rate vs Nebraska when you claim Nebraska got free MNCs
In total bowl history :
Nebraska is .650 vs the SEC (13-7) Nebraska is .394 vs the rest of college football (13-20)
Nebraska's only 'free' good fortune was to draw SEC opponents in the post season..
Opinions and perceptions are fun but try to get caught up on the facts.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Nov 6, 2018 13:31:55 GMT
OK vs Ok St Whatever defense holds the other to under 40 wins
Laughing...the team that has the ball last wins. The BIG12 is like a separate league from the rest of the P5. It almost seems like CFL vs NFL. That being said it is fun to watch. The Texas WVU game was probably the best game I have watched this year in terms of entertainment. If both WVU and Oklahoma win out then we get the finale of the season with those 2 teams and most likely a rematch the next week.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 6, 2018 17:55:47 GMT
Bevo, buddy, you're very lost regarding the Nebraska perception. This tough SEC you perceive has won EXACTLY 8 games vs Nebraska out of 26 tries....8 for 26. Think about it.
Also, during the Devanney & Osborne power years (62-97) the Huskers were 10-1 vs the mighty tough SEC. in bowls....10-1. That means the SEC had a 10% success rate vs Nebraska when you claim Nebraska got free MNCs
In total bowl history :
Nebraska is .650 vs the SEC (13-7) Nebraska is .394 vs the rest of college football (13-20)
Nebraska's only 'free' good fortune was to draw SEC opponents in the post season..
Opinions and perceptions are fun but try to get caught up on the facts.
Nebraska's record against the SEC has nothing to do with the point I was making, Hen.
They actually have played very few games against the SEC. My site shows their Bowl Record against the SEC at 17-8-1. But, again... that's meaningless.
My point was: When a team plays in a weak conference, they don't get beat up as bad as when they're playing against top level talent, week after week.
During the 1980's, Nebraska was 4-6 in Bowl Games. The Big 8 was exceptionally weak, and they rolled through it every year... only to get whupped by a crappy Miami team (1983), or Michigan, or Clemson.....
You're the one who provides us with all the data on just how NFL-quality the talent is in the SEC. Surely, you don't deny your own data?
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 6, 2018 18:50:58 GMT
You beat me to it. I was gonna say this particular discussion had nothing to do with the SEC.
Gamecock fans were like that in the 80s to Clemson. Y'all don't play anybody in conference, so y'all will get killed in bowl games.
Ford beat Osborne, Paterno, Switzer, Nehlen, Elway in that decade.
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Post by bluehen on Nov 6, 2018 19:02:55 GMT
Bevo, you're insinuating that those great Nebraska teams got free, unearned MNCs because it played in the B8. How disrespectful of that program and conference. When given the opportunity to play teams you perceived from the best league, the Huskers toyed with 'em. In one of those Sugar Bowls even Bear Bryant said 'Nebraska just toyed with us'....yeah, free MNCs.
As for NFL talent - sure, by today's counts. Back in the Devanney/Osborne days...not a chance.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Nov 6, 2018 19:30:04 GMT
Bevo, you're insinuating that those great Nebraska teams got free, unearned MNCs because it played in the B8. How disrespectful of that program and conference. When given the opportunity to play teams you perceived from the best league, the Huskers toyed with 'em. In one of those Sugar Bowls even Bear Bryant said 'Nebraska just toyed with us'....yeah, free MNCs.
As for NFL talent - sure, by today's counts. Back in the Devanney/Osborne days...not a chance.
When the Huskers put it to the Gators by over 40 points, that was just a plain ass whopping. That was not a gifted championship. That was a clear undisputed champion.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 6, 2018 19:45:44 GMT
Bevo, you're insinuating that those great Nebraska teams got free, unearned MNCs because it played in the B8. How disrespectful of that program and conference. When given the opportunity to play teams you perceived from the best league, the Huskers toyed with 'em. In one of those Sugar Bowls even Bear Bryant said 'Nebraska just toyed with us'....yeah, free MNCs.
As for NFL talent - sure, by today's counts. Back in the Devanney/Osborne days...not a chance.
Nebraska did have some truly great teams....There was a time when they were dominant. But, even when they had average teams, they went through the season undefeated, or with at most 1 loss. They would ALWAYS be in the NC discussion. At least, until they lost in their bowl game.
You're also right that, back in the 70's and 80's, the SEC was not dominant like it is today. But, they are now. And, have been for the past decade at least.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 6, 2018 19:47:04 GMT
Bevo, you're insinuating that those great Nebraska teams got free, unearned MNCs because it played in the B8. How disrespectful of that program and conference. When given the opportunity to play teams you perceived from the best league, the Huskers toyed with 'em. In one of those Sugar Bowls even Bear Bryant said 'Nebraska just toyed with us'....yeah, free MNCs.
As for NFL talent - sure, by today's counts. Back in the Devanney/Osborne days...not a chance.
When the Huskers put it to the Gators by over 40 points, that was just a plain ass whopping. That was not a gifted championship. That was a clear undisputed champion.
Agree....
But, the team that lost to Miami in 1983 was mediocre. As were several others.
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Post by bluehen on Nov 6, 2018 23:06:09 GMT
You can't be serious. The 83 Nebraska team was mediocre ?? It finished 12-1 with wins over Penn State (44-6), UCLA (42-10), Syracuse (63-7), Colorado (24-7) K-State (51-25), Oklahoma (28-21)...you get the idea. 83 Nebraska outscored its 13 combined opponents by 50-18 per game (ave.)..and Bevo, not one single opponent was a lower division team.....no auto rent-a-wins.And in the Orange Bowl game that determined the mythical national championship it lost by one single point. Are you sure you're not thinking of some other team, Bevo ? All teams would love to be as " mediocre" as 83 Nebraska. Bevo's CF history is beyond bizarre
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Post by Bevo on Nov 7, 2018 19:07:36 GMT
You can't be serious. The 83 Nebraska team was mediocre ?? It finished 12-1 with wins over Penn State (44-6), UCLA (42-10), Syracuse (63-7), Colorado (24-7) K-State (51-25), Oklahoma (28-21)...you get the idea. 83 Nebraska outscored its 13 combined opponents by 50-18 per game (ave.)..and Bevo, not one single opponent was a lower division team.....no auto rent-a-wins.And in the Orange Bowl game that determined the mythical national championship it lost by one single point. Are you sure you're not thinking of some other team, Bevo ? All teams would love to be as " mediocre" as 83 Nebraska. Bevo's CF history is beyond bizarre They lost by a single point to a Miami that played ONE other Top 25 team all year, and LOST 27-3 (Florida).
'83 Miami was the MOST undeserving NC team ever, IMO.
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Post by doc on Nov 7, 2018 20:36:10 GMT
I'd submit BYU in 1984 who beat a 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl to stake claim to the national championship. The 1983 Miami win at least spurred them on to one of the great runs in college football - even though I didn't like them at all...they were pretty dominant.
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Post by bluehen on Nov 7, 2018 21:22:27 GMT
I'd submit BYU in 1984 who beat a 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl to stake claim to the national championship. The 1983 Miami win at least spurred them on to one of the great runs in college football - even though I didn't like them at all...they were pretty dominant. Don't blame BYU. It was the only PSEG it was allowed to play in.
The odds on favorites to win the 84 championship if there was an 84 championship to win would have been ( in order of odds) :
1) Nebraska
2) Florida
3) BYU
4) Okie State
5) Washington
....imo
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