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Post by Hero on Nov 23, 2018 17:26:50 GMT
I’m hoping EVERYONE other than Texas loses, and we make it to the CFP to play against UCF, Notre Dame and Ohio State! Maybe, next year? For the record: if UCF wins out, continues to win next year, and is able to play all their scheduled P5 opponents, they’ll be the first G5 school to be invited to the CFP. I’m praying every day BH will get his wish for UCF to make the playoffs and be matched against BAMA.
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Post by doc on Nov 23, 2018 23:34:41 GMT
I’m hoping EVERYONE other than Texas loses, and we make it to the CFP to play against UCF, Notre Dame and Ohio State! Maybe, next year? For the record: if UCF wins out, continues to win next year, and is able to play all their scheduled P5 opponents, they’ll be the first G5 school to be invited to the CFP. I’m praying every day BH will get his wish for UCF to make the playoffs and be matched against BAMA. Especially sinc Milton just did his worst Joe Theisman impersonation.
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Post by bluehen on Nov 24, 2018 0:46:51 GMT
I’m hoping EVERYONE other than Texas loses, and we make it to the CFP to play against UCF, Notre Dame and Ohio State! Maybe, next year? For the record: if UCF wins out, continues to win next year, and is able to play all their scheduled P5 opponents, they’ll be the first G5 school to be invited to the CFP. I’m praying every day BH will get his wish for UCF to make the playoffs and be matched against BAMA. Can't happen Hero. No , so called, G5 team will ever be permitted to compete in the Dr.Pepper Invitational just as no mid major was ever allowed in the BCS title game ( the absolute lock BH rule) This makes 20 years of the two class BCS/CFP system concocted by the cartel, not the governing body of the sport. 0-20 and counting !
Last season's UCF was stronger than this season's team and it proved to be able to do something Bama couldn't do.......beat Auburn.
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Post by Hero on Nov 24, 2018 0:55:55 GMT
I’m praying every day BH will get his wish for UCF to make the playoffs and be matched against BAMA. Can't happen Hero. No , so called, G5 team will ever be permitted to compete in the Dr.Pepper Invitational just as no mid major was ever allowed in the BCS title game ( the absolute lock BH rule) This makes 20 years of the two class BCS/CFP system concocted by the cartel, not the governing body of the sport. 0-20 and counting ! Keep your fingers crossed.
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 24, 2018 15:17:25 GMT
When everything is based on subjective ideas of how "tough" a conference is, where some teams get punished for playing rabble while the rabble others play is elevated to deity status, others get punished for 1 loss where others get rewarded, and conference championships mean everything or nothing… all based on subjective grades.
I’m not picking on Alabama (I think they are the best team) but they are a perfect example of this. The SEC West was billed as a "tough" division...a murderer's row this year.
4 of the teams are sub-500 in conference. One of those teams is 0-for.
Add in their OOC schedules and you get a handful of 7-4 teams who only got above .500 by scheduling trash, and other teams who can’t even get to a winning record with their OOC. LSU was the only credible threat in that division. As the argument goes, Alabama being on top of that division shows they are worthy, to the point that even if they lost to any of these teams they are guaranteed a spot in the final 4.
On the other side, Clemson’s division was billed as "soft and weak"...no real threats. And yet, it's essentially a carbon copy of the SEC West in records and OOC foes. The committee seems to think BC is a hair better than Mississippi State. Syracuse, who is playing the part of LSU here, is ranked 5 behind the Tigers, essentially the same neighborhood.
Its pretty much a wash after that. But if Clemson were to lose to one of these teams, the consensus is that they would be out of the picture immediately, because these teams are garbage, while someone like Alabama losing to Auburn is "a good loss" in the eyes of the media.
All of this based on reputation and subjective opinions of the pollsters.
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 24, 2018 15:43:49 GMT
Just a week after the committee considered jumping ND over Clemson, a committee member comes out and says they discussed flipping Clemson and Alabama this week.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 24, 2018 16:18:02 GMT
In a perfect world, we wouldn't need a committee, or human involvement at all... but, FBS football is FAR from 'perfect'. Its a hodgepodge of different conferences, in different regions playing different kinds of games over different schedules. The human brain (or a group of them) is still pretty good at making value judgements based on semi-chaotic data.
Bama and Clemson have built their reputation not JUST on WHO they played, but... on HOW they played against their competition. They have won easily.. often playing 2-3 deep with high quality talent. That's not a 'formula'.... it's a value judgement. IF either were to lose, the WAY they lost would be just as important than WHO they lost to.
At this point, I think both have a good shot at being in... even with a CCG loss. But, it still matters who else does what, and HOW.
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 24, 2018 20:25:42 GMT
In a perfect world, we wouldn't need a committee, or human involvement at all... but, FBS football is FAR from 'perfect'. Its a hodgepodge of different conferences, in different regions playing different kinds of games over different schedules. The human brain (or a group of them) is still pretty good at making value judgements based on semi-chaotic data. Bama and Clemson have built their reputation not JUST on WHO they played, but... on HOW they played against their competition. They have won easily.. often playing 2-3 deep with high quality talent. That's not a 'formula'.... it's a value judgement. IF either were to lose, the WAY they lost would be just as important than WHO they lost to. At this point, I think both have a good shot at being in... even with a CCG loss. But, it still matters who else does what, and HOW. In reality the who, X or Y, shouldn't matter. We have ample amounts of NFL and other CFB data that show the "who" is of little predictive use. The "how" is a very strong predictive indicator. The Saints lost to freaking Tampa Bay for example. Why is it we don't like the idea of a "wild card" winning the CFB title, but it's okay on the NFL and March Madness (although, technically, Alabama was a wild card last year)? There are no do-overs in sports: the Giants beat the Patriots in 07, the 01 Mariners didn’t win the World Series, the 2016 Warriors lost to the Cavs. UCF beat Auburn. Pray a bunch of idiots stop talking about how 2 one-loss SEC teams "deserve" to go, regardless of whether they win their conference. Need proof? Look at where Washington State is currently ranked, despite having a Heisman contender QB and a pretty damn good team. Oh my bad, they’re behind a two-loss SEC school. Conferences are economic collaborations - and many of them stupid (see: Maryland and Rutgers, among others) and most of them just a nod to money decisions made eons ago (hello, Vandy, among others). And divisions are a crappy gimmick to satisfy a stupid NCAA rule about conference championship games. Making that the foundation of a playoff formula just extends the stupidity. I’d rather ditch divisions than have those random groupings determine a playoff field. People whine and say CFB is no different than any other sport. Okay, let's have a 64 team playoff field, if it's no different. Except it is.
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