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Post by doc on Aug 13, 2019 14:49:36 GMT
I think they may have a couple in the wrong spot but for the most part I can't argue with their list...I think the questionable ones are Tennessee and Penn State....here is the list
1. Alabama 2. Ohio State 3. Michigan 4. Texas 5. USC 6. Notre Dame 7. Nebraska 8. Penn State 9. Tennessee 10. Oklahoma
I looked at some sub rankings (all time wins, weeks in the polls, Heisman trophies, All Americans, Draft picks, first round draft picks, #1 overall draft picks, iconic coaches, college football HOF inductees) and Alabama, ND, Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State and Michigan appear on just about every sub rankings top ten.) I guess my list would go like this (using the original 10 teams)
1. Alabama 2. Notre Dame 3. Oklahoma 4. USC 5. Ohio State 6. Michigan 7. Texas 8. Nebraska 9. Penn State 10. Tennessee
I'm not so sure Tennessee or Penn State belong. The Florida teams would be up there if it was just for the past 30 years but this is the 150 year history of the game. Early teams like Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Army haven't been relevant in my lifetime. Clemson is dominant today but has had some lean years and only 1 previous championship (prior to the playoff).
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 13, 2019 14:52:01 GMT
Ford > Clemson football cancelled < Swinney
:-)
We still boo Ken Hatfield at Clemson.
He lived off Danny's recruits until the cupboard was bare. He also pissed off most of the NC and SC high school coaches by not considering walkons.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 13, 2019 14:52:02 GMT
Clearly, TEXAS should be #1... on any such poll.
We OWN Alabama.
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 13, 2019 16:13:29 GMT
Most Wins -- Last 25 Years (Power 5)
252 - Ohio State 237 - Oklahoma 233 - Florida 230 - UGA 230 - Virginia Tech 228 - FSU 227 - Wisconsin 224 - LSU 224 - Nebraska 224 - Oregon 222 - Alabama 221 - Texas 218 - Clemson 214 - Michigan 213 - PSU
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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 13, 2019 18:31:05 GMT
1-3 should obviously be Alabama, Notre Dame, and Oklahoma. Oklahoma at #10 is crazy
4-6 are probably USC, Ohio State, and Michigan (in no order). They are traditional powers. Michigan gets here by way of their large number of wins
7-11 would be any mix of FSU, Miami, Florida, Texas, and Penn State. Ya, the Florida teams are relative newbies in the larger scale of things, but they have heavily dominated the last 40 years of football. 11 titles out of how many title appearances? It hurts my brain trying to count. Texas is a traditional power, and has probably the most memorable win in college football history, but they've had some lean years as well. Penn State has been pretty consistent. They've actually been ripped off quite a bit. Should have been in the playoffs a few years ago, had a decent team in '05, and should have received a share of the title in '94.
12 - Nebraska. They are a traditional power, and played for titles in the 80s and 90s, but they've completely dropped off the radar, hence the slippage
13-15 LSU, Clemson, and Auburn. Tigers, Tigers, Tigers. Clemson is obviously climbing the ratings, and LSU had a phenomenal run that produced a couple of titles
From this point on, you'd probably have Tennessee and Georgia. They've had some good years, but both have underperformed compared to other SEC teams IMO. I think Georgia is the lone SEC power that doesn't have a title in the BCS/playoff era. And then who? Texas A&M? Washington? Pitt? Where does Michigan State fit in? BYU and Boise State should at least have top 25 consideration
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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 13, 2019 18:38:32 GMT
Tennessee
I want to expand on them a bit...how many title do they have? 2? I just don't see them as being one of the top programs all-time. They have dropped off since Fulmer left. LSU and Auburn have had more success IMO. I see Tennessee as more like South Carolina, but with a couple of titles. All 3 Florida teams have done way than the Vols
***quick edit: Tennessee claims 6 National Titles, but only 2 are AP championships.
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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 13, 2019 18:44:39 GMT
Most Wins -- Last 25 Years (Power 5) 252 - Ohio State 237 - Oklahoma 233 - Florida 230 - UGA 230 - Virginia Tech 228 - FSU 227 - Wisconsin 224 - LSU 224 - Nebraska 224 - Oregon 222 - Alabama 221 - Texas 218 - Clemson 214 - Michigan 213 - PSU Virginia Tech and Oregon have been so close to winning a title. I think Michael Vick and the Hokies would have beaten Oklahoma in 2000. Penn State has gotten a raw job on occasion.
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Post by doc on Aug 13, 2019 19:21:13 GMT
Tennessee I want to expand on them a bit...how many title do they have? 2? I just don't see them as being one of the top programs all-time. They have dropped off since Fulmer left. LSU and Auburn have had more success IMO. I see Tennessee as more like South Carolina, but with a couple of titles. All 3 Florida teams have done way than the Vols ***quick edit: Tennessee claims 6 National Titles, but only 2 are AP championships. Florida is 27th for all time wins, Miami is in the 40's, FSU doesn't crack the top 50. Georgia is in the top 20 and has 2 NC's. Miami has 5, Florida 3 and FSU 2. I'd be more inclined to rank Georgia higher than any of the Florida schools although it is tough to ignore Miami's 5 NC's. Still, they have close to 300 less wins than the teams in the top 5.
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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 13, 2019 20:04:27 GMT
Tennessee I want to expand on them a bit...how many title do they have? 2? I just don't see them as being one of the top programs all-time. They have dropped off since Fulmer left. LSU and Auburn have had more success IMO. I see Tennessee as more like South Carolina, but with a couple of titles. All 3 Florida teams have done way than the Vols ***quick edit: Tennessee claims 6 National Titles, but only 2 are AP championships. Florida is 27th for all time wins, Miami is in the 40's, FSU doesn't crack the top 50. Georgia is in the top 20 and has 2 NC's. Miami has 5, Florida 3 and FSU 2. I'd be more inclined to rank Georgia higher than any of the Florida schools although it is tough to ignore Miami's 5 NC's. Still, they have close to 300 less wins than the teams in the top 5. FSU has 3 titles, had a full fleged dynasty finishing in the top 4 for 14 years, and I believe they are 4th in bowl wins. All-time wins should just be seen as a portion of the formula in determining these rankings. Georgia doesnt match up well with any of the Florida teams outside of that stat. They've had some good teams lately, but blame Alabama for sinking Bulldog dreams. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. They remain the only SEC power to not claim a championship in the BCS/Playoff era. Only one title appearance in 2017 Florida is 3-1 in title games FSU is 3-6 Miami is 5-9 I believe...although I think a few in the 80s werent outright title games Besides winning more regular season games, what have they done? 2 titles, Herschel, and Bulldog tears to Alabama
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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 13, 2019 20:26:25 GMT
Florida is 27th for all time wins, Miami is in the 40's, FSU doesn't crack the top 50. Georgia is in the top 20 and has 2 NC's. Miami has 5, Florida 3 and FSU 2. I'd be more inclined to rank Georgia higher than any of the Florida schools although it is tough to ignore Miami's 5 NC's. Still, they have close to 300 less wins than the teams in the top 5. FSU has 3 titles, had a full fleged dynasty finishing in the top 4 for 14 years, and I believe they are 4th in bowl wins. All-time wins should just be seen as a portion of the formula in determining these rankings. Georgia doesnt match up well with any of the Florida teams outside of that stat. They've had some good teams lately, but blame Alabama for sinking Bulldog dreams. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. They remain the only SEC power to not claim a championship in the BCS/Playoff era. Only one title appearance in 2017 Florida is 3-1 in title games FSU is 3-6 Miami is 5-9 I believe...although I think a few in the 80s werent outright title games Besides winning more regular season games, what have they done? 2 titles, Herschel, and Bulldog tears to Alabama Actually I was slightly off on Bowl Wins. Looks like Georgia has 31 and is third in all-time bowl wins I made a list of teams with 20+ bowl wins 1. Alabama 41 bowl wins 2. USC 34 3. Georgia 314. Texas 29 Penn St. 29 Oklahoma 29 7. Florida Sate 28 Tennessee 28 9. Nebraska 26 LSU 26 11. Georgia Tech 25 12. Ohio St. 24 Auburn 24 Clemson 24 Ole Miss 24 16. Florida 2318. Michigan 21
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Post by Hero on Aug 13, 2019 22:53:09 GMT
Clearly, TEXAS should be #1... on any such poll.
We OWN Alabama. Not in the most important game they played.
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Post by doc on Aug 13, 2019 23:00:07 GMT
FSU has 3 titles, had a full fleged dynasty finishing in the top 4 for 14 years, and I believe they are 4th in bowl wins. All-time wins should just be seen as a portion of the formula in determining these rankings. Georgia doesnt match up well with any of the Florida teams outside of that stat. They've had some good teams lately, but blame Alabama for sinking Bulldog dreams. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. They remain the only SEC power to not claim a championship in the BCS/Playoff era. Only one title appearance in 2017 Florida is 3-1 in title games FSU is 3-6 Miami is 5-9 I believe...although I think a few in the 80s werent outright title games Besides winning more regular season games, what have they done? 2 titles, Herschel, and Bulldog tears to Alabama Actually I was slightly off on Bowl Wins. Looks like Georgia has 31 and is third in all-time bowl wins I made a list of teams with 20+ bowl wins 1. Alabama 41 bowl wins 2. USC 34 3. Georgia 314. Texas 29 Penn St. 29 Oklahoma 29 7. Florida Sate 28 Tennessee 28 9. Nebraska 26 LSU 26 11. Georgia Tech 25 12. Ohio St. 24 Auburn 24 Clemson 24 Ole Miss 24 16. Florida 2318. Michigan 21 Until 1975 or 76, only one team per year from the Big Ten could go to a Bowl game and I believe until the 70’s you couldn’t go in back to back seasons. Several times OSU faculty voted that the team not go to the Rose Bowl, which was the only bowl the Big Ten played in until the mid 70’s. That would be the reason their teams are somewhat lower in bowl game wins. At the same time, I think OSU has a losing record in bowl games.
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Post by Hero on Aug 13, 2019 23:14:19 GMT
Most Wins -- Last 25 Years (Power 5) 252 - Ohio State 237 - Oklahoma 233 - Florida 230 - UGA 230 - Virginia Tech 228 - FSU 227 - Wisconsin 224 - LSU 224 - Nebraska 224 - Oregon 222 - Alabama 221 - Texas 218 - Clemson 214 - Michigan 213 - PSU Amazing Ohio State.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 14, 2019 1:55:21 GMT
Most Wins -- Last 25 Years (Power 5) 252 - Ohio State 237 - Oklahoma 233 - Florida 230 - UGA 230 - Virginia Tech 228 - FSU 227 - Wisconsin 224 - LSU 224 - Nebraska 224 - Oregon 222 - Alabama 221 - Texas 218 - Clemson 214 - Michigan 213 - PSU Amazing Ohio State. Something is way wrong here.... I count 252 wins for Bama in the past 25 years. Although, they do have 4 losing seasons in that time frame, where OSU only has one. Bama's complete domination really started 11 years ago.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 14, 2019 12:46:19 GMT
How about a list of most wins vs FCS teams and even so called G5 teams...kinda reveal the scheduling cowards of big time CF ??
I was listening to a CF discussion on Sirius a few weeks back about the single most dominant team in CF history. Anyway, that team was not 71 Nebraska, not 95 Nebraska nor any of the 'latest greatest' teams. It was one of the early 20th century YALE teams!! Can't remember which one but it could have been the 1905 or 1909 teams. O9 gave up zero points all season. 05 Gave up 4 points. Those two teams outscored their opponents 447-4. And Remember those IVY opponents were the toughest to be found in those days.
Also, some skeptical comments here about Tennessee on these all time list. Tennessee definitely belongs belongs. Check the Neyland years. In a 150 history of the sport everything is not just the short attention span 'latest greatest' boys.
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