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Post by Hero on Aug 22, 2019 0:01:55 GMT
It is true the last two Big10 teams in the playoffs weren’t able to score a single point. Ohio State has been given 2 CFP opportunities 1 win 50% Clemson has been given 4 CFP opportunities 2 win 50% Bama has been given 5 CFP opportunities 2 win 40%
ACC has been given 5 opportunities 2 win 40%
BIG 10 has been given 3 opportunities 1 win 33%
SEC has been given 6 opportunities 2 win 33% BEVO CONF has been given 4 opportunities 0 win 0%
P12 has been given 2 opportunities 0 win 0%
Since the start of the selection process there 14 of the 20 teams have gotten a so called mulligan (1 loss) and were still selected. SEC 4 mulligans - all 4 got Selected ACC 2 mulligans - both got Selected P12 2 mulligans -both got Selected B12 5 mulligans - 3 got selected B10 7 mulligans - 3 got selected G5 3 undefeated teams - Not even close to a consideration
2 years ago the BiG completely dominated the Bowl Season winning .875% if their Bowl Games. Both the SEC and ACC were under .500. Based on that you would think the BIG would have some Good Will equity but clearly that was not the case especially when you consider a 2 loss UGA team that is not a conference champ was rated ahead of 1 loss Ohio State team that was a conference champ.
I am sure that the committee takes their job seriously but I find it very hard to believe that these so called experts are not tuning into to the ESPN\SEC network and taking in their agenda based rationale of who is worthy.
Over the last two years the Big 10 is winning there bowl games at a 75% rate while the ACC and SEC are hovering at 50%. With these facts if you can't see there may be a bias in the selection process well then so be it. Until they come up with a different solution I am with Hen on this this the mythicalCFP.
I wonder what the Penn State fans think about your AD being on the committee? There certainly is bias and I said there would be before the committee ever met. By the way, Hen favored the committee until his prayers were answered. I always hated the committee idea. My thoughts were a committee is a poll with fewer votes in which bias would be magnified. The BCS had a better way of ranking teams. This playoff is simply the old bowl system “plus one” plan.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 22, 2019 3:11:30 GMT
Wait a minute there , Hero. When did I ever favor a mythical system based on an opinion driven committee ? You must have me mixed up with somebody else. I have favored a real competition based national championship forever for the entire FBS with conference championships providing automatic slots. No computer geeks, no committees, no pollsters, no bull$hit.
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Post by Hero on Aug 22, 2019 10:54:58 GMT
Wait a minute there , Hero. When did I ever favor a mythical system based on an opinion driven committee ? You must have me mixed up with somebody else. I have favored a real competition based national championship forever for the entire FBS with conference championships providing automatic slots. No computer geeks, no committees, no pollsters, no bull$hit. OK
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Post by doc on Aug 22, 2019 12:25:00 GMT
For the record I thought OSU deserved the 2016 playoff spot but did not deserve one the past 2 years - the Iowa and Purdue losses were too damning. I was glad they didn’t make it last year because they would have lost in the first round. Winning the Rose Bowl actually improved their end of the year rating as they finished higher than ND and Oklahoma. I did think Dwayne Haskins had a better year than Yua and Murray but that’s something for another thread!
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Post by bluehen on Aug 22, 2019 12:57:19 GMT
Wait a minute there , Hero. When did I ever favor a mythical system based on an opinion driven committee ? You must have me mixed up with somebody else. I have favored a real competition based national championship forever for the entire FBS with conference championships provided automatic slots. No computer geeks, no committees, no pollsters, no bull$hit.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 22, 2019 12:59:19 GMT
Wait a minute there , Hero. When did I ever favor a mythical system based on an opinion driven committee ? You must have me mixed up with somebody else. I have favored a real competition based national championship forever for the entire FBS with conference championships providing automatic slots. No computer geeks, no committees, no pollsters, no bull$hit. OK Than you
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 22, 2019 16:09:35 GMT
Big Ten
The Big Ten is right up there with the SEC when it comes to home cooking. It will play just over 78 percent of its nonconference games at home. No other league is higher than 67 percent. However, with only one neutral site game (Ball State vs. Indiana in Indianapolis), the Big Ten ends up with a much higher percentage of true road games than the SEC at 19 percent.
Because of league rules restricting games against FCS schools, less than 10 percent of the Big Ten's nonconference games are against those teams. Every other league plays at least 20 percent of its games against FCS opposition.
The conference typically has relatively high percentage of games against other Power Five opposition, but that is not the case this season. The Big Ten has the lowest percentage of such games among the Power Five conferences. There are only 10 games against such schools among the 14 schools, and Purdue plays two of those games.
ACC
Like the SEC, every team in the ACC will play four nonconference games and at least one of those against FCS opponent. Virginia Tech has doubled up on FCS opposition. Unlike the SEC and the Big Ten, the ACC will play a relatively high percentage of road games. Just over 28 percent of their nonconference games are true road games.
The ACC also has the highest percentage of games against Power Five opposition, helped by four in-state rivalries with SEC teams and five games with Notre Dame. Boston College is playing two Power Five teams on the road, but one of them is Rutgers.
Big 12
Because of the size of the league and the full round robin conference schedule, the Big 12 has the fewest number of nonconference games at 30. Still, only Texas is playing a full schedule of FBS teams, which means the Big 12 is playing the greatest percentage of FCS opposition at 30 percent.
It is also just behind the ACC in percentage of games against Power Five teams with 33 percent.
SEC
The SEC is one of the two Power Five conferences that still plays only eight league games. That means each team has four nonconference games instead of three, and the SEC knows just what to do with those -- play FCS schools.
Every team in the SEC will play at least one game against an FCS team, and Florida will play two FCS teams, Towson and Tennessee-Martin; however, the Gators also play in-state rivals Miami and Florida State, making them one of only two SEC teams playing two Power Five opponents. South Carolina is the other.
Pac-12
The Pac-12 has some interesting issues with regard to scheduling primarily because of the geographically isolated nature of the league. The Big 12 is the next closest major conference, and you will see a few games between those two leagues, but in order to get games against better opposition, often times Pac-12 teams have to hit the road. So it should come as no surprise that the Pac-12 does play the highest percentage of road games at just under 31 percent.
The Pac-12 also typically has a high number of games against Mountain West foes, and this year is no exception. There are seven games between those two leagues.
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Post by jameshowell on Aug 22, 2019 16:35:54 GMT
Based on performance only, my top ten programs of all time are as follows. Please note the first list is probably the better list as it is straight up. The second list in normalized, setting the best team of the year at 100 and the worst team at zero and prorating everyone else. The reason for doing that is the lack of context between seasons.
Straight up list:
Southern California .745 Notre Dame .744 Alabama .743 Florida State .732 Oklahoma .720 Texas .712 Ohio State .707 Michigan .697 Tennessee .693 Nebraska .687
Normalized list:
Alabama .767 Notre Dame .762 Southern California .757 Oklahoma .736 Florida State .726 Texas .726 Ohio State .717 Michigan .706 Tennessee .698 Nebraska .692
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 22, 2019 17:51:40 GMT
Interesting graph.... OK solidly a top program consistently at any time measure TX earlier years were better than the L5 or L10 A&M has been consistently average
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Post by doc on Aug 22, 2019 19:53:25 GMT
Based on performance only, my top ten programs of all time are as follows. Please note the first list is probably the better list as it is straight up. The second list in normalized, setting the best team of the year at 100 and the worst team at zero and prorating everyone else. The reason for doing that is the lack of context between seasons. Straight up list: Southern California .745 Notre Dame .744 Alabama .743 Florida State .732 Oklahoma .720 Texas .712 Ohio State .707 Michigan .697 Tennessee .693 Nebraska .687 Normalized list: Alabama .767 Notre Dame .762 Southern California .757 Oklahoma .736 Florida State .726 Texas .726 Ohio State .717 Michigan .706 Tennessee .698 Nebraska .692 I would have no argument with either of these lists.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 22, 2019 22:07:21 GMT
JH, I assume that the 'all time ' list is for programs that are currently FBS ?
Glad you noted Tennessee. These guys don't get that Tennessee has been the SEC's 2nd strongest program over history.
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Post by Hero on Aug 22, 2019 23:19:44 GMT
Based on performance only, my top ten programs of all time are as follows. Please note the first list is probably the better list as it is straight up. The second list in normalized, setting the best team of the year at 100 and the worst team at zero and prorating everyone else. The reason for doing that is the lack of context between seasons. Straight up list: Southern California .745 Notre Dame .744 Alabama .743 Florida State .732 Oklahoma .720 Texas .712 Ohio State .707 Michigan .697 Tennessee .693 Nebraska .687 Normalized list: Alabama .767 Notre Dame .762 Southern California .757 Oklahoma .736 Florida State .726 Texas .726 Ohio State .717 Michigan .706 Tennessee .698 Nebraska .692 I like the normalized list.
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Post by Hero on Aug 22, 2019 23:25:56 GMT
Big Ten The Big Ten is right up there with the SEC when it comes to home cooking. It will play just over 78 percent of its nonconference games at home. No other league is higher than 67 percent. However, with only one neutral site game (Ball State vs. Indiana in Indianapolis), the Big Ten ends up with a much higher percentage of true road games than the SEC at 19 percent. Because of league rules restricting games against FCS schools, less than 10 percent of the Big Ten's nonconference games are against those teams. Every other league plays at least 20 percent of its games against FCS opposition. The conference typically has relatively high percentage of games against other Power Five opposition, but that is not the case this season. The Big Ten has the lowest percentage of such games among the Power Five conferences. There are only 10 games against such schools among the 14 schools, and Purdue plays two of those games. ACC Like the SEC, every team in the ACC will play four nonconference games and at least one of those against FCS opponent. Virginia Tech has doubled up on FCS opposition. Unlike the SEC and the Big Ten, the ACC will play a relatively high percentage of road games. Just over 28 percent of their nonconference games are true road games. The ACC also has the highest percentage of games against Power Five opposition, helped by four in-state rivalries with SEC teams and five games with Notre Dame. Boston College is playing two Power Five teams on the road, but one of them is Rutgers. Big 12 Because of the size of the league and the full round robin conference schedule, the Big 12 has the fewest number of nonconference games at 30. Still, only Texas is playing a full schedule of FBS teams, which means the Big 12 is playing the greatest percentage of FCS opposition at 30 percent. It is also just behind the ACC in percentage of games against Power Five teams with 33 percent. SEC The SEC is one of the two Power Five conferences that still plays only eight league games. That means each team has four nonconference games instead of three, and the SEC knows just what to do with those -- play FCS schools. Every team in the SEC will play at least one game against an FCS team, and Florida will play two FCS teams, Towson and Tennessee-Martin; however, the Gators also play in-state rivals Miami and Florida State, making them one of only two SEC teams playing two Power Five opponents. South Carolina is the other. Pac-12 The Pac-12 has some interesting issues with regard to scheduling primarily because of the geographically isolated nature of the league. The Big 12 is the next closest major conference, and you will see a few games between those two leagues, but in order to get games against better opposition, often times Pac-12 teams have to hit the road. So it should come as no surprise that the Pac-12 does play the highest percentage of road games at just under 31 percent. The Pac-12 also typically has a high number of games against Mountain West foes, and this year is no exception. There are seven games between those two leagues. The good folks in The BIG10 like to play games at home. I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 23, 2019 2:21:22 GMT
Big Ten The Big Ten is right up there with the SEC when it comes to home cooking. It will play just over 78 percent of its nonconference games at home. No other league is higher than 67 percent. However, with only one neutral site game (Ball State vs. Indiana in Indianapolis), the Big Ten ends up with a much higher percentage of true road games than the SEC at 19 percent. Because of league rules restricting games against FCS schools, less than 10 percent of the Big Ten's nonconference games are against those teams. Every other league plays at least 20 percent of its games against FCS opposition. The conference typically has relatively high percentage of games against other Power Five opposition, but that is not the case this season. The Big Ten has the lowest percentage of such games among the Power Five conferences. There are only 10 games against such schools among the 14 schools, and Purdue plays two of those games. ACC Like the SEC, every team in the ACC will play four nonconference games and at least one of those against FCS opponent. Virginia Tech has doubled up on FCS opposition. Unlike the SEC and the Big Ten, the ACC will play a relatively high percentage of road games. Just over 28 percent of their nonconference games are true road games. The ACC also has the highest percentage of games against Power Five opposition, helped by four in-state rivalries with SEC teams and five games with Notre Dame. Boston College is playing two Power Five teams on the road, but one of them is Rutgers. Big 12 Because of the size of the league and the full round robin conference schedule, the Big 12 has the fewest number of nonconference games at 30. Still, only Texas is playing a full schedule of FBS teams, which means the Big 12 is playing the greatest percentage of FCS opposition at 30 percent. It is also just behind the ACC in percentage of games against Power Five teams with 33 percent. SEC The SEC is one of the two Power Five conferences that still plays only eight league games. That means each team has four nonconference games instead of three, and the SEC knows just what to do with those -- play FCS schools. Every team in the SEC will play at least one game against an FCS team, and Florida will play two FCS teams, Towson and Tennessee-Martin; however, the Gators also play in-state rivals Miami and Florida State, making them one of only two SEC teams playing two Power Five opponents. South Carolina is the other. Pac-12 The Pac-12 has some interesting issues with regard to scheduling primarily because of the geographically isolated nature of the league. The Big 12 is the next closest major conference, and you will see a few games between those two leagues, but in order to get games against better opposition, often times Pac-12 teams have to hit the road. So it should come as no surprise that the Pac-12 does play the highest percentage of road games at just under 31 percent. The Pac-12 also typically has a high number of games against Mountain West foes, and this year is no exception. There are seven games between those two leagues. The good folks in The BIG10 like to play games at home. I’m shocked, shocked I tell you. Now that is pretty funny coming from someone whose team has not played a true road OOC game since the Cuban Missile crisis
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 23, 2019 3:08:49 GMT
For the record I thought OSU deserved the 2016 playoff spot but did not deserve one the past 2 years - the Iowa and Purdue losses were too damning. I was glad they didn’t make it last year because they would have lost in the first round. Winning the Rose Bowl actually improved their end of the year rating as they finished higher than ND and Oklahoma. I did think Dwayne Haskins had a better year than Yua and Murray but that’s something for another thread! I don't think the Buckeyes would have done well in 2017 but I thought 2018 had a lot of potential and would have been able to compete. Looking back at 2017 sure the Buckeyes had 2 losses but put a hurting on USC. Wisconsin had only 1 loss but soundly beat the Canes in a NY6 game. If conference Championships matter then tOSU should have been selected over 1 loss Bama and 1 loss Wisconsin. If they don't matter then it should have been a comparison of Bama vs Wisonsin. Looking at the resumes Bama had a pretty Ugly loss to number 7 Auburn last game of the season. Wisconsin made it to there conference championship game and had the ball in the 4th quarter going for the win and came up short.
Resumes: Wisconsin 12 -1 Advanced to CCG Lost a tight one to #5 tOSU Beat #21 Alabama 11 - 1 Pretty ugly loss to #7 Auburn Beat #17 and #24
Can anyone explain why Alabama got the nod other than one teams name was named Alabama (percieved as athletic and dominating) and the other was Wisconsin (perceived as big and slow but methodical)
Again another reason why I am onboard with Hen regarding the mCFP.
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