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Post by tigercpa on Jan 29, 2020 12:18:23 GMT
There aren't any hairline fractures developing in the Senate cover -up trial....are there ? Cover -up trial? Nah, the president's legal team destroyed 3 years of Democrat's "work" in about 3 hours. Naturally, ABC / NBC / CBS blacked out these parts, so the tender ears of Democrats wouldn't be harmed with the facts of who actually laundered the money and used foreign influence to try and alter the outcome of an election. We are a trial in search of a crime. Why do/did Kerry, Biden, Peolsi and Romney all have children working for Ukraine gas companies, when those same children have no specific experience in the gas industry or Ukraine? Biden gets the prosecutor called off the investigation ----> Hunter Biden gets a "no-show" job and $83,000 a month as pay. ----> $2.5 million gets paid to Joe Biden's sister's (Valerie Biden Owens) "consulting firm" from campaign funds. Obama pays a print house $350 million to produce the common core textbooks, and the same print house offers him a "world record" book advance of $65 million??? Untold millions of Ukrainian "donations" to the Clinton foundation??? Same old story, the taxpayers fund all of these "initiatives", 30%+ gets laundered back to the DNC, and the taxpayers get a kick in the nuts for their trouble. Plenty of crimes here, the wrong person is on trial, however.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 29, 2020 13:56:07 GMT
There aren't any hairline fractures developing in the Senate cover -up trial....are there ? Yea... maybe. I'm hearing of at least three Democrat Senators saying they are likely to vote for acquittal!
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Post by bluehen on Jan 29, 2020 14:37:27 GMT
Whew...good...I was starting to worry just a tid bit
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Post by Bevo on Jan 29, 2020 16:30:19 GMT
Whew...good...I was starting to worry just a tid bit The basic problem Dems have is: EVEN IF Trump did ALL of the things they are alleging, none of it is illegal or outside the regular power of his office. Certainly, NOT impeachable... in ANY year, but particularly NOT in an election year. To make things worse for them: ANY INTELLECTUALLY HONEST person would have to admit that there seems to be a valid reason to want to have an investigation of Hunter Biden, and why he was paid all this money by a corrupt Ukrainian company. The more they talk, the worse it is for Joe. Except, of course... in Iowa. Where MOST of Joe's competitors can't go.
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Post by bluehen on Jan 29, 2020 19:28:37 GMT
There is plenty of sleaze to go around among all of 'em. Problem is our extremely dumb voter base. Any dopey, completely uninformed idiot has the same say so in our nation's future as an intelligent, informed, educated voter. ...and the sleaziest of the sleazy have manipulated that huge gullible dumbth factor segment. Been reading Rick Shenkman's book "Just How Stupid Are We, facing the truth about the American voter ". It is so right on !
and Bevo, surely you can differentiate between the POTUS and a private citizen of the US who may have been involved in shady foreign business practices. If Hunter and/or Joe broke any US or Ukraine laws then have the justice departments of those nations investigate and try them... This 'presidential' impeachment issue applies to the pathological lying, immoral, arrogant, self serving bufoon in the WH ONLY. The trump apologists and ass kissers, of course, like the Biden question as a diversion.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 29, 2020 19:58:44 GMT
The trump apologists and ass kissers, of course, like the Biden question as a diversion.
I don't see how the Biden's can be left out of this, since... they are the ones Trump wanted investigated. If the requested invitation is legit? I don't see a problem with requesting it. It may well be that what Hunter was doing is NOT illegal, in either country. THAT, is a whole different kind of problem. It SHOULD be. It's corruption.... on its face.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 30, 2020 3:46:03 GMT
lol.... Dems just said they want to Impeach Ogre Trump because he "didn't follow diplomatic procedure"..... They just don't 'get it'. Trump doesn't follow their 'Deep State' rules. He actually wants RESULTS! So, he bypasses their procedures.. and, they HATE that.
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Post by bluehen on Jan 30, 2020 4:18:48 GMT
Sure, the Biden episode is sleazy...common knowledge and I can see the argument for a connection but the QPQ is the problem. We're never going to agree about anything trump, Bevo, but here's how I feel : If trump was an honorable adult 'man' with dignity, morality and integrity and just happened to have a one time lapse in judgement with the Ukraine bribe I would NOT be in favor of removal from office. But with trump it's a never ending continuous pattern of sleazy behavior. He wants to an unquestioned autocrat King without having to answer to anybody...." I can do anything I want" So, imo, this Ukraine thing is as good a place and time as any to confront him and take a stand. If he gets away with this stuff it may become SOP to enlist foreign assistance for personal political gain for future Presidents and Presidential candidates...probably not good. On another note I saw this clip of a typical trump baser with MAGA cap on telling a news reporter that trump would never have let 9-11 happen like O'Bama did just sitting on his ass in the White House. When the reporter informed this idiot that O'Bama wasn't POTUS or anywhere near the WH during the 9/11 attacks...do you know what this clown said He said "well, I'll just have to get to the bottom of this". Now can anyone tell me why this moron should have the exact same say so in our nations direction and future as Bevo, Cpa, myself or anybody with an IQ of 70 or above ?? This is the type that trump has brilliantly herded into his base and just enough of them to win the electoral system.. Of course there are plenty of idiots like this fellow from all political persuasions that should not be allowed anywhere near a voting booth. This is our democracy's biggest challenge, IMO.......the DUMBTH FACTOR.
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 30, 2020 10:46:08 GMT
Sure, the Biden episode is sleazy...common knowledge and I can see the argument for a connection but the QPQ is the problem. We're never going to agree about anything trump, Bevo, but here's how I feel : If trump was an honorable adult 'man' with dignity, morality and integrity and just happened to have a one time lapse in judgement with the Ukraine bribe I would NOT be in favor of removal from office. But with trump it's a never ending continuous pattern of sleazy behavior. He wants to an unquestioned autocrat King without having to answer to anybody...." I can do anything I want" So, imo, this Ukraine thing is as good a place and time as any to confront him and take a stand. If he gets away with this stuff it may become SOP to enlist foreign assistance for personal political gain for future Presidents and Presidential candidates...probably not good. On another note I saw this clip of a typical trump baser with MAGA cap on telling a news reporter that trump would never have let 9-11 happen like O'Bama did just sitting on his ass in the White House. When the reporter informed this idiot that O'Bama wasn't POTUS or anywhere near the WH during the 9/11 attacks...do you know what this clown said He said "well, I'll just have to get to the bottom of this". Now can anyone tell me why this moron should have the exact same say so in our nations direction and future as Bevo, Cpa, myself or anybody with an IQ of 70 or above ?? This is the type that trump has brilliantly herded into his base and just enough of them to win the electoral system.. Of course there are plenty of idiots like this fellow from all political persuasions that should not be allowed anywhere near a voting booth. This is our democracy's biggest challenge, IMO.......the DUMBTH FACTOR. he may have been referring to 9/11 Benghazi, not the first 9/11. Obama was president then and did sit on his ass and do nothing.
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Post by bluehen on Jan 30, 2020 13:31:25 GMT
Well, that's remotely plausible, I guess, but the Benghazi incident is commonly referred to a 'Benghazi" and the 2001 attacks as '9/11". There will never be another US event commonly called '9/11'. I think he's just a dope.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 30, 2020 14:39:12 GMT
Sure, the Biden episode is sleazy...common knowledge and I can see the argument for a connection but the QPQ is the problem. We're never going to agree about anything trump, Bevo, but here's how I feel : If trump was an honorable adult 'man' with dignity, morality and integrity and just happened to have a one time lapse in judgement with the Ukraine bribe I would NOT be in favor of removal from office. But with trump it's a never ending continuous pattern of sleazy behavior. He wants to an unquestioned autocrat King without having to answer to anybody...." I can do anything I want" So, imo, this Ukraine thing is as good a place and time as any to confront him and take a stand. If he gets away with this stuff it may become SOP to enlist foreign assistance for personal political gain for future Presidents and Presidential candidates...probably not good. On another note I saw this clip of a typical trump baser with MAGA cap on telling a news reporter that trump would never have let 9-11 happen like O'Bama did just sitting on his ass in the White House. When the reporter informed this idiot that O'Bama wasn't POTUS or anywhere near the WH during the 9/11 attacks...do you know what this clown said He said "well, I'll just have to get to the bottom of this". Now can anyone tell me why this moron should have the exact same say so in our nations direction and future as Bevo, Cpa, myself or anybody with an IQ of 70 or above ?? This is the type that trump has brilliantly herded into his base and just enough of them to win the electoral system.. Of course there are plenty of idiots like this fellow from all political persuasions that should not be allowed anywhere near a voting booth. This is our democracy's biggest challenge, IMO.......the DUMBTH FACTOR. I keep hearing how sleazy and immoral Trump is... but, he's been in business a LONG time, PLENTY of opportunity to break the law and cheat, or whatever. His taxes are under CONSTANT audit for the past 25 years. He's had the entire DOJ, CIA and Special Prosecutors, plus the considerable fortunes of several Billionaire Democrats all looking to find dirt on him for the past 4 years... and, THIS is ALL they can come up with? That he tried to pressure a foreign leader to conduct an investigation into an obvious money-laundering/corruption scheme that involves one of the 20 people who want to run against him? That's weak sauce. It's all they've got, since the Mueller-Collusion story bombed. To me, this entire sham impeachment is a disgusting over-reach and abuse of power by the House, with no intent other than the try to damage Trump's chances of winning re-election. As for voters being dumb... Hen, you don't have to tell me how ignorant average people are. I worked in retail in my youth. Anyone who's ever done that has seen plenty of evidence. But, that is our system. EVERYONE, gets a vote. Radical left Democrats often get TWO. I don't think we're going back to the days when only property holders are allowed to vote. Fortunately, I think most of the super-ignorant types don't BOTHER to vote. I don't try to encourage them. DEMOCRATS are the ones who want MORE of the dumbth voters.... hence, their push for motor-voter registrations and votes for felons, etc. They believe THEY benefit the most when low-IQ voters participate.
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Post by bluehen on Jan 30, 2020 17:15:05 GMT
Do you think the big crowds that line up all night and go to trump rallies and cheer wildly at every lie , exaggeration , insult and name calling are relatively intelligent and educated, on average ?
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Post by tigercpa on Jan 30, 2020 18:39:22 GMT
Do you think the big crowds that line up all night and go to trump rallies and cheer wildly at every lie , exaggeration , insult and name calling are relatively intelligent and educated, on average ? Relative to the general population, yes. They understand founding principles, operations, civics and money/economics far better than most... There's "schooling" and then there's "education." "Schooling" is usually what liberals do - they go to "school" to obtain credentials, which they can brag about in social circles and cocktail parties and leverage into some kind of easy work / non-profit job with a fancy title. Education is what the rest of us go to school for - to learn. One thing I see asked frequently is "all what lies?" when someone says Trump lies constantly. There is usually no response. Just repeating what some talking head said on CNN.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 30, 2020 18:43:30 GMT
Do you think the big crowds that line up all night and go to trump rallies and cheer wildly at every lie , exaggeration , insult and name calling are relatively intelligent and educated, on average ? Compared to the line of Democrat voters I saw lined up at WalMart to cash their monthly government check? I'd say the crowd at the Trump rally is FAR more intelligent and educated... on average.
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Post by Bevo on Jan 30, 2020 18:45:08 GMT
Do you think the big crowds that line up all night and go to trump rallies and cheer wildly at every lie , exaggeration , insult and name calling are relatively intelligent and educated, on average ? One thing I see asked frequently is "all what lies?" when someone says Trump lies constantly. There is usually no response. Just repeating what some talking head said on CNN. anything that contradicts the drivel pumped out by the MSM, they consider a "lie". Just the other day, I saw PolitiFact (the FACT checker) claimed Trump lied when he said, "I was under investigation by the DOJ before I was even elected". Their basis was: It was the Trump CAMPAIGN that was under investigation, not Trump. Lol... Yea... pull the other one. Trump's "Truthy-ism" is on par with the lying, stinking press.... just in the opposite direction.
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