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Post by doc on Mar 3, 2020 14:29:19 GMT
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Post by Bevo on Mar 3, 2020 15:05:18 GMT
I have thought, for a while now... that in the past 10 years, Ohio State got VERY LITTLE in overall result (ie: Championships) from a pretty dominant decade of football.
That stupid Tattoo-gate may well have been the biggest penalty EVERY for such a minor offense.
Day sure looks like he's going to be able to keep the train going. Maybe, he'll bring home more bling?
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Post by doc on Mar 3, 2020 15:38:46 GMT
I have thought, for a while now... that in the past 10 years, Ohio State got VERY LITTLE in overall result (ie: Championships) from a pretty dominant decade of football. That stupid Tattoo-gate may well have been the biggest penalty EVERY for such a minor offense. Day sure looks like he's going to be able to keep the train going. Maybe, he'll bring home more bling? For the most part I think Gene Smith has done a great job. He hired Urban and Ryan Day, he hired Chris Holtman and coaches for other teams that have done very well but just don't get the publicity like football and basketball. But the biggest mistake he ever made was allowing the 2011 team to play in a bowl game. That team went 6-6, had checked out (and was the last Buckeye team to lose to Michigan) but Smith said the seniors deserved a bowl game. Nevermind that it was mostly seniors that were involved in tattoo gate in the first place. So they play in the bowl (instead of self imposing a bowl ban) and then the NCAA imposes a one-year bowl ban. Urban is hired, OSU goes 12-0 the next season and would have most likely been selected to play Notre Dame in the BCS championship. Instead, Ohio State sits at home while Alabama destroys ND in the Orange Bowl/BCS championship. Alabama would have probably beat OSU that year, too, but they may not have made it had Smith had more foresight about the bowl ban. The other headscratcher was the 2015 loss to MSU - I'll never understand how they allowed that to happen. |
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Post by Bevo on Mar 3, 2020 16:23:13 GMT
The other headscratcher was the 2015 loss to MSU - I'll never understand how they allowed that to happen. I watched that entire game... it was kind of like watching Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson. The loss to PSU was bad too. When was it? The one with the blocked punt for TD. Really... OSU has a basket full of coulda-shoulda's built up. I sometimes wonder: Which is worse? To be so pitiful that you aren't even in the conversation? (like Texas) Or to be REALLY good, and keep having frustrating 'slip ups' that keep you out of the CFP? Pretty sure I'd prefer your status.  |
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Post by doc on Mar 3, 2020 18:59:37 GMT
The other headscratcher was the 2015 loss to MSU - I'll never understand how they allowed that to happen. I sometimes wonder: Which is worse? To be so pitiful that you aren't even in the conversation? (like Texas) Or to be REALLY good, and keep having frustrating 'slip ups' that keep you out of the CFP? Pretty sure I'd prefer your status. It was far more frustrating during the John Cooper era. They had undefeated teams in November in 1993, 95, 96 and 98 only to lose Michigan in 93, 95 and 96 and MSU in 98. They also went into Ann Arbor ranked #4 in '97 playing #1 Michigan and lost 20-14. Charles Woodson returned a punt for a TD, OSU threw an interception in the endzone and on UM's last possession, Brian Griese threw a potential pick six right at Andy Katzenmoyer which went through his hands and bounced off his facemask. But I'm not bitter or anything.... |
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Post by Bevo on Mar 3, 2020 19:17:00 GMT
I sometimes wonder: Which is worse? To be so pitiful that you aren't even in the conversation? (like Texas) Or to be REALLY good, and keep having frustrating 'slip ups' that keep you out of the CFP? Pretty sure I'd prefer your status. But I'm not bitter or anything.... Reminds me of the 2008 Longhorns.... In my opinion, we could have easily won the Championship. Mid-season, we had to play FOUR games in a row against Top 10 teams... with #1 OU being the first one. Everyone remembers the critical play that won the game for Texas Tech, Michael Crabtree's last minute, tightwalk grab in the end zone. Most people forget the play right before that: An EASY pop up 'floater' ball for an interception that went straight through the hands of Freshman DB, Blake Gideon, from Leander, Texas.... Texas ended the season with ONLY THAT as a loss.... OU (who we beat 45-35) got whupped by Florida in the title game, while we won a fantastic Fiesta Bowl game against some scrappy team from "up north".  |
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Post by doc on Mar 3, 2020 19:35:55 GMT
Quan 'frickin' Crosby scored a 26 yard TD with about 20 seconds to go for the win. The OSU defender whiffed on the tackle. Then to rub salt in the wounds, I believe the Bengals picked Crosby in the NFL draft.
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Post by EvilVodka on Mar 4, 2020 0:09:58 GMT
I'm really struggling trying to find a way to troll doc today
that list isn't too shocking though...it's basically the top teams of the decade
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Post by tigercpa on Mar 4, 2020 14:13:04 GMT
Since 2009 Ohio State has participated in 10 major bowl games with a record of 7-3 against top notch competition
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Post by doc on Mar 4, 2020 14:24:27 GMT
What's amazing with this list is Alabama has played about 21 more top 25 teams over the same time frame as Ohio State... obviously a product of the great teams they play in the SEC.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 4, 2020 15:38:41 GMT
What's amazing with this list is Alabama has played about 21 more top 25 teams over the same time frame as Ohio State... obviously a product of the great teams they play in the SEC. And yet, everyone here likes to bitch about them playing a "weak schedule".  |
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Post by bluehen on Mar 4, 2020 17:20:23 GMT
Bama is mandated to play in conf champ games and bowl games vs quality teams.....that's where all those top 25 opponents come from. When it comes to the competition that Bama CHOOSES to schedule, yes it's very weak. Can anybody differentiate between mandate and choice ?
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Post by Bevo on Mar 4, 2020 18:09:52 GMT
Bama is mandated to play in conf champ games and bowl games vs quality teams.....that's where all those top 25 opponents come from. When it comes to the competition that Bama CHOOSES to schedule, yes it's very weak. Can anybody differentiate between mandate and choice ? Bama's not "mandated" to play in ANY bowl game. Ohio State has had just as many opportunities to play in CCG's and Bowl games, and yet.. Bama has still played 25 MORE Top 25 teams. That's because, they play them all the time, in their conference schedule. Which, is why.. they DON'T need to play Top 25 teams in OOC games. They get more than enough SOS difficulty in their SEC games. |
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Post by doc on Mar 4, 2020 18:51:35 GMT
Bama is mandated to play in conf champ games and bowl games vs quality teams.....that's where all those top 25 opponents come from. When it comes to the competition that Bama CHOOSES to schedule, yes it's very weak. Can anybody differentiate between mandate and choice ? Bama's not "mandated" to play in ANY bowl game. Ohio State has had just as many opportunities to play in CCG's and Bowl games, and yet.. Bama has still played 25 MORE Top 25 teams. That's because, they play them all the time, in their conference schedule. Which, is why.. they DON'T need to play Top 25 teams in OOC games. They get more than enough SOS difficulty in their SEC games. Interesting to note that Ohio State and Alabama have both played in 5 conference championship games in the past 10 years - Alabama is 5-0 in SEC championship games, Ohio State is 4-1 in BIG games. The big difference, as Bevo notes, comes in conference games - teams like Ole Miss, Arkansas, MSU, A+M get rated while Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland and the like never are. |
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Post by bluehen on Mar 4, 2020 21:12:06 GMT
EXACTLY, doc. great point ! The inflated hype of opponents is a factor.
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