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Post by EvilVodka on Mar 18, 2021 19:25:53 GMT
As the 2020 football season fades into the background, I find myself remembering the NFL playoffs as way more entertaining than the college football postseason. Not only did I like seeing two NFL cities that aren't limelight teams battle for it all, but I enjoyed the expansion of the playoffs from 12 to 14 teams. Interestingly, I rarely watched any of the NFL regular season and mostly watched college football. The overall outcome for me was more interest in the NFL.
There is too much money in college football to keep playing a stale playoff every year. Would the overall result have changed with a bigger playoff? No...Alabama would still have won. But it would have been way more exciting. College football is such a great sport, but flawed in so many ways...how is it that all of these big name COLLEGES and UNIVERSITIES can't get a real scheme for the postseason put together...a 16 team playoff would be so easy to put together...I could literally come up with 10 different ways to do it. It's so completely stupid....
On that note, I guess I will refrain from posting playoff ideas...no one comments on them, and I doubt the greater minds in college football are interested anyways
I'll watch the big college football games, pull for the underdogs, and watch LSU and FSU, but I think I might devote a little more of my time to the NFL
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Post by Bevo on Mar 18, 2021 20:22:41 GMT
This NFL season was one of my all time favorites. I won Back to Back Championships in my $$$ fantasy league. And then, just to insult the group a bit more, I won our Playoff competition, even though I only put in one entry and most of them put in 3 or 4. It doesn’t get much better than that. 😜
I really don’t want a 16 team playoff. It would make the regular season as boring and inconsequential as college basketball.
But, an 8 game playoff, with all P5 Champs, the highest ranked G5 school, and 2 At-large teams would be AWESOME !!!
I hope we get there, soon.
Or... have the G5 and P5 split, with both playing 8 team tourneys. I think that would be exciting too.
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Post by EvilVodka on Mar 18, 2021 21:54:27 GMT
I really don’t want a 16 team playoff. It would make the regular season as boring and inconsequential as college basketball. This is such a false argument
the conference races are the primary engine of the regular season...it's roughly 75% of your schedule. Those would be even more exciting, because the winner of the conference gets in the playoffs
What's boring is having literally 3 conferences every year make the playoff...In the NFL, every division winner gets in. It creates a more even distribution across the league and promotes the league as a whole.
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Post by bluehen on Mar 20, 2021 23:35:15 GMT
True story there Evil. The greatest sport needs a real playoff
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Post by Bevo on Mar 21, 2021 2:06:24 GMT
I really don’t want a 16 team playoff. It would make the regular season as boring and inconsequential as college basketball. This is such a false argument
the conference races are the primary engine of the regular season...it's roughly 75% of your schedule. Those would be even more exciting, because the winner of the conference gets in the playoffs
What's boring is having literally 3 conferences every year make the playoff...In the NFL, every division winner gets in. It creates a more even distribution across the league and promotes the league as a whole.
It’s not a false argument. With 16 teams, the SEC would get 4 or 5 teams in every year. The Iron Bowl would be meaningless. Teams would KNOW they were in, with 1-2 games remaining and would sit key players. It would completely suck the energy out of the regular season games.
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Post by tigercpa on Mar 21, 2021 13:11:41 GMT
This is such a false argument
the conference races are the primary engine of the regular season...it's roughly 75% of your schedule. Those would be even more exciting, because the winner of the conference gets in the playoffs
What's boring is having literally 3 conferences every year make the playoff...In the NFL, every division winner gets in. It creates a more even distribution across the league and promotes the league as a whole.
It’s not a false argument. With 16 teams, the SEC would get 4 or 5 teams in every year. The Iron Bowl would be meaningless. Teams would KNOW they were in, with 1-2 games remaining and would sit key players. It would completely suck the energy out of the regular season games. Is playoff expansion a good idea? I say no. Mack Brown says it would help limit players opting out of bowl games. Does that really matter, given that most bowl games are just extra practices, and how does that help the team prepare for next year with players that won't even be there? Others say ND and OK getting blown out "proves" we need more teams to have a shot. Really? We need more teams led to a slaughter? How does that advance the level of competition? Expansion - the most commonly heard argument is you must include all conference champs. Well, all conference champs are not created equal. Somebody had to win the NFC Least. How about 2012 Wisconsin at 8-6, thanks in part to both Penn St and Ohio St being inelgible? Does Oklahoma deserve a yearly ticket while the Big 12, of late, can’t keep up? Did P12 champ Oregon, at 4-3, deserve a golden ticket to the playoffs? You gotta go back a ways for a truly bad SEC conference champion, but they've had issues with down seasons too. Anyone think 2006 Wake Forest was on the same level of a Chris Leak-led Gator squad? Expansion will simply result in more teams that really should NOT be there. That results in thinner competition. 8, 16, 32...by all means expand. Data has shown that it's haard enough to find 4 teams playing at an elite level most seasons. BUT, if you want mediocrity in a playoff format, I give you the NFL, NBA or NHL. Roughly half the teams make the big party. If you want college football to be a three week sport, instead of a three month sport, then you want to expand the playoff picture. I don't.
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Post by Hero on Mar 21, 2021 14:03:35 GMT
I enjoyed the college football season a great deal.
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Post by EvilVodka on Mar 21, 2021 17:06:48 GMT
It’s not a false argument. With 16 teams, the SEC would get 4 or 5 teams in every year. The Iron Bowl would be meaningless. Teams would KNOW they were in, with 1-2 games remaining and would sit key players. It would completely suck the energy out of the regular season games. Is playoff expansion a good idea? I say no. Mack Brown says it would help limit players opting out of bowl games. Does that really matter, given that most bowl games are just extra practices, and how does that help the team prepare for next year with players that won't even be there? Others say ND and OK getting blown out "proves" we need more teams to have a shot. Really? We need more teams led to a slaughter? How does that advance the level of competition? Expansion - the most commonly heard argument is you must include all conference champs. Well, all conference champs are not created equal. Somebody had to win the NFC Least. How about 2012 Wisconsin at 8-6, thanks in part to both Penn St and Ohio St being inelgible? Does Oklahoma deserve a yearly ticket while the Big 12, of late, can’t keep up? Did P12 champ Oregon, at 4-3, deserve a golden ticket to the playoffs? You gotta go back a ways for a truly bad SEC conference champion, but they've had issues with down seasons too. Anyone think 2006 Wake Forest was on the same level of a Chris Leak-led Gator squad? Expansion will simply result in more teams that really should NOT be there. That results in thinner competition. 8, 16, 32...by all means expand. Data has shown that it's haard enough to find 4 teams playing at an elite level most seasons. BUT, if you want mediocrity in a playoff format, I give you the NFL, NBA or NHL. Roughly half the teams make the big party. If you want college football to be a three week sport, instead of a three month sport, then you want to expand the playoff picture. I don't.
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Post by EvilVodka on Mar 21, 2021 18:41:00 GMT
This is such a false argument
the conference races are the primary engine of the regular season...it's roughly 75% of your schedule. Those would be even more exciting, because the winner of the conference gets in the playoffs
What's boring is having literally 3 conferences every year make the playoff...In the NFL, every division winner gets in. It creates a more even distribution across the league and promotes the league as a whole.
It’s not a false argument. With 16 teams, the SEC would get 4 or 5 teams in every year. The Iron Bowl would be meaningless. Teams would KNOW they were in, with 1-2 games remaining and would sit key players. It would completely suck the energy out of the regular season games. well, what do regular season games matter when conference championship games are mostly garbage?
In addition, when a conference gets 2 teams into the playoff (SEC and ACC usually), that means only 60% of the P5 is represented...
If we're going to stick with a 4 team playoff, at least make a conference championship a requirement...80% representation of P5 is better than 60%, correct?
Look at Notre Dame last year....their win over Clemson was essentially meaningless, because they had to play Clemson again in the conference championship. The following loss to Clemson was meaningless because they still made the playoffs...Notre Dame and Clemson might as well have canceled the games
My argument essentially is that the playoff should do a better job at representing the majority of college football. Cincinnati went undefeated in 2020 and had no shot...
I haven't even touched on all the inconsistencies of the committee...Making a better, more substantial playoff would actually be pretty easy
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Post by Hero on Mar 21, 2021 20:06:21 GMT
No matter how many teams are in the playoffs there will always be a team that gets left out. Basketball just chose 68 teams and one of the first things said what about Bumsteer Tech being left out.
You can’t expect the talking heads at ESPN to ever have a new thought.
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Post by bluehen on Mar 23, 2021 3:23:38 GMT
I really don't think the SEC would get 4-5 teams in a legitimate 16 team NCAA football playoff. The Champ is in , of course, but 4 of the available 6 at large slots going to the SEC ?? No way.
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Post by tigercpa on Mar 23, 2021 13:59:07 GMT
I really don't think the SEC would get 4-5 teams in a legitimate 16 team NCAA football playoff. The Champ is in , of course, but 4 of the available 6 at large slots going to the SEC ?? No way. So, Hen, you are the master of SEC bias, and we are glad you keep a watch on that. But all of a sudden, with a 16 team playoff, you think SEC bias will disappear? Help me reconcile that...
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Post by bluehen on Mar 27, 2021 1:53:34 GMT
I don't believe in an NCAA managed playoff that the SEC would be given 3 or 4 of the available 6 at large slots . These sports championships tend to be inclusive rather than exclusive. Now, in a Dr.Pepper/ESPN 16 team playoff I would fully expect SEC bias to continue
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Post by stumpystew on Mar 27, 2021 13:20:10 GMT
I always love the "regular season is meaningless" excuse for not having an all inclusive playoffs. As an alum and supporter of a team that has been both FCS and FBS I can say it is bunk. Every game App St played in FCS was important. The only way to guarantee making the playoffs was winning the SoCon. And if we couldn't win the conference title, we had to win enough games to be considered for an at-large bid. And if App St had the SoCon sewed up with 1 or 2 games left, we couldn't tank the game as a loss would impact our seeding and cost us from hosting playoff games. We may have sat our starters quicker in a blow out win, but still they played.
And as for the ESPN 4 team playoff, you don't even have to win your conference division to make the field.
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Post by aufan on Mar 28, 2021 18:19:03 GMT
Either you make college football a national sport, and all conferences are invited to the playoff and all teams are eligible, regardless of how weak they are perceived.
Or you keep college football a regional sport, where rivalries, conference championships and regional bowl game invites are more important than an inclusive playoff.
What we have now is the worst of both. If the ship has sailed on college football being a regional sport, then playoff expansion and inclusion is the only option.
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