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Post by tigercpa on Apr 13, 2021 17:29:01 GMT
Bevo, oddly enough, …this case originally made the headlines because of supposed/alleged racism, and that specific topic has not been introduced into the court.
Because if it had been, without supporting evidence, the defense would have had the judge slap it down immediately.
So, we can infer that the prosecution looked into Chauvin’s social media footprint and they didn’t find any such evidence.
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Post by tigercpa on Apr 13, 2021 17:48:34 GMT
The defense started its case today.
Nelson better have a couple of hammers in the bag if he expects a full acquittal; otherwise a hanger might be all he gets.
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Post by doc on Apr 13, 2021 18:31:25 GMT
This comment is based on my experience with a friend who became a police officer. I realize I'm generalizing here but I also believe there is a degree of truth to my thoughts. First, I don't think Chauvin's intent was to kill George Floyd. I think his intent was to show he was the cop, he had the power, don't mess with him and it turned out to have tragic consequences. I do believe his actions contributed to Floyd's death.
I have a very good friend who became a police officer. His dad was a police officer. He became an officer at the age of 19 while I was in college. We played baseball together everyday as kids but he was kind of a nerd - good guy but a nerd. When he became a police officer it went to his head. He thought he had all this power. He got very cocky. I used to go out and have a couple beers with him and he'd carry his gun around his ankle. He'd almost beg people to mess with him so he could flash his badge and gun - he used to always say, 'I'm a cop - don't mess with me junior.' I remember those exact words and it's been over 40 years ago. I actually quit hanging out with him for a while because he made me so uncomfortable. When I saw the video of Chauvin restraining Floyd I thought to myself - this is something my buddy would have done. He'd want to show everyone watching he was in charge - don't mess with me, junior. So, no Chauvin shouldn't be convicted of murder but I do think he contributed to the death. The thing is people don't know the law so if he doesn't get convicted of murder all hell will break loose again.
I guess my point is, there are policemen who think the badge and gun make them some type of badass who can do whatever he wants. Many were probably picked on as kids or in high school and this is their revenge. Well here is an instance where the badass went too far. He wasn't trying to kill the guy but the guys dead. It's a mess.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Apr 13, 2021 20:45:50 GMT
2 of my very good high school friends were cops. When they first became cops they definitely had the attitude you described. I don't know if you remember the incident but at a fast food joint there was a cop that accussed the cashier of shorting him $10. He jumped over the counter and subdued her. He was one of my buddies. I would say for the first 5 years they had this attitude which I think part of it was that they had to deal with bad eggs on a daily basis. After awhile they thought everyone was bad. As time went on they seemed to be able to separate being a cop from being a person.
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Post by Bevo on Apr 13, 2021 21:56:53 GMT
I think we’ve all known, or encountered asshole cops. I’ve always thought that if a cop wasn’t an asshole going in, 5 years of dealing with the public would turn them into one.
That said, I’m sick of seeing cops blamed for bad outcomes when the people are non-compliant. George Floyd could have easily avoided his own death.
This case, like many, makes me appreciate our jury system. I don’t have time to listen to everything and weigh all the evidence. From what I can tell, the details will matter.
I think Chauvin was guilty of not rendering aid when it should have been obvious that Floyd was in distress. But, it will come down to technicalities. I have faith that the jury will weigh all the evidence, the legal guidelines, and come up with the right answer.
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Post by aufan on Apr 14, 2021 2:31:29 GMT
The media keeps repeating the lie that "Chauvin's knee was on Floyds neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds". This has already been disproven in sworn testimony over the last 10 days. Gotta maintain the narrative.
Wasn't there a video? Why would we be reliant on testimony for the duration?
As a limited government conservative, I don't want my public servants kneeling on any citizen's neck for any amount of time. I don't think that is government's role.
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Post by Bevo on Apr 14, 2021 3:03:53 GMT
The media keeps repeating the lie that "Chauvin's knee was on Floyds neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds". This has already been disproven in sworn testimony over the last 10 days. Gotta maintain the narrative.
Wasn't there a video? Why would we be reliant on testimony for the duration?
As a limited government conservative, I don't want my public servants kneeling on any citizen's neck for any amount of time. I don't think that is government's role.
yes . There IS a video.. and, it proves that this statement is untrue.
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Post by tigercpa on Apr 14, 2021 14:35:53 GMT
1st order of business today: Defense requested Acquittal Judgement.
Motion denied. While defense is likely correct in argument, Cahill would not accept.
Defense complaint to judge that over 5,000 pieces of evidence have been dumped on defense DURING trial. This is unethical.
Defense's expert witness on use-of-force was not a homerun yesterday.
Nelson has a very difficult job. Because of all the biased news coverage before the trial (tainting the jury pool), the presumption of innocence is dead. Nelson will have to prove to the jurors that Chauvin’s actions did not cause Floyd’s death, even if Floyd was a “dead man walking” because of the large overdose of fentanyl/meth.
Even more difficult, Nelson will have to convince the jurors that they can safely vote “not guilty” without facing life-altering repercussions...becuase you know CNN's trucks are following the jurors, ready to pounce.
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Post by tigercpa on Apr 19, 2021 12:24:52 GMT
Closing arguments today. Jury will be immediately charged once arguments are complete.
Were I a juror, and based on the legal aspect - facts and law, I would not convict as there is plenty of reasonable doubt here.
That being said, given the over-the-top political and social aspects of this case and trial, it's still difficult to predict how the jury will actually cast their vote.
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Post by Bevo on Apr 19, 2021 18:47:23 GMT
Closing arguments today. Jury will be immediately charged once arguments are complete. Were I a juror, and based on the legal aspect - facts and law, I would not convict as there is plenty of reasonable doubt here. That being said, given the over-the-top political and social aspects of this case and trial, it's still difficult to predict how the jury will actually cast their vote. I have watched most of the first Prosecution closing and the Defense closing... I don't see how a juror could assume that Chauvin had intent. That would be the end of the case. I haven't heard whether they have a charge of "negligence". Didn't sound like it from what I've heard. That might fly, but.... not murder, or even manslaughter.
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Post by tigercpa on Apr 20, 2021 18:21:02 GMT
Closing arguments today. Jury will be immediately charged once arguments are complete. Were I a juror, and based on the legal aspect - facts and law, I would not convict as there is plenty of reasonable doubt here. That being said, given the over-the-top political and social aspects of this case and trial, it's still difficult to predict how the jury will actually cast their vote. I have watched most of the first Prosecution closing and the Defense closing... I don't see how a juror could assume that Chauvin had intent. That would be the end of the case. I haven't heard whether they have a charge of "negligence". Didn't sound like it from what I've heard. That might fly, but.... not murder, or even manslaughter. There's plenty of reasonable doubt here. And, at least half a dozen reasons for a mistrial...not the least of which Biden just said on national TV that he hopes the jury returns the "right" verdict. The evidence, he said, is "overwhelming". It's completely inappropriate for Biden to state this publicly; however, given the buffoons and fools in this administration, I'm not shocked. Some people just want to watch the world burn.
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Post by Bevo on Apr 20, 2021 20:56:51 GMT
Quick verdict looks like bad news for Chauvin
We’ll see soon
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Post by Bevo on Apr 20, 2021 21:15:42 GMT
Three guilty verdicts.
Justice system seems to have functioned well.
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Post by aufan on Apr 20, 2021 23:23:13 GMT
Government official kneels on man’s neck in the street. The man dies.
Limited government conservatives cheerlead the defense of government official kneeling on man’s neck.
I’m just a little confused as to what limited government conservatives actually believe. This seems like textbook overreach by government, limited government fans should be all over this one, but not supporting government overreach...
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Post by Bevo on Apr 21, 2021 1:46:52 GMT
Government official kneels on man’s neck in the street. The man dies. Limited government conservatives cheerlead the defense of government official kneeling on man’s neck. I’m just a little confused as to what limited government conservatives actually believe. This seems like textbook overreach by government, limited government fans should be all over this one, but not supporting government overreach... Why do you just pop in here to comment on controversial subjects.. in a negative way? You help understanding in NO WAY. Just... another scavenger.
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