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Post by bluehen on Mar 12, 2023 22:05:30 GMT
To be fair nobody chooses to be a net beneficiary Lol. That’s a pretty ignorant statement. There are LOTS of people who love being beneficiaries. They go to extraordinary lengths to make SURE they maintain that status. IMO, the truth is somewhere between .............some deadbeats collecting ,somewhat fraudulently, and plenty of good but needy folks collecting due to unfortunate circumstances beyond their control
and Bevo, c'mon buddy. Of course the 'tourists' that Tucker wants you to see aren't injuring police officers. The violent ones that your own eyes saw that day were indeed assaulting officers and property. Trust your good brain and vision ..... not Tucker's bullshit propaganda spin.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 13, 2023 1:43:39 GMT
and Bevo, c'mon buddy. Of course the 'tourists' that Tucker wants you to see aren't injuring police officers. The violent ones that your own eyes saw that day were indeed assaulting officers and property. Trust your good brain and vision ..... not Tucker's bullshit propaganda spin.
So, let me get this straight? The Democrats, for TWO YEARS, repeatedly showing real video footage of the violent moments that took place outside the capital over about a 90 minute period and calling it the "worst event in our country's history since the Civil War"... THAT, was NOT bullshit propaganda? But, Tucker replaying a few minutes of real video footage of "insurrectionists" walking between velvet ropes, taking selfies, and chatting calmly with security officials... That IS 'bullshit propaganda"? You have an interesting way of looking at things. I know what happened that day Hen. I was watching every minute of it, on four different channels. I have several very good friends who were IN DC that day for the rally. None of them entered the capital. I've discussed with them, at great length, what they saw. It was a peaceful rally, and protest, that was hijacked by a couple of radical groups.... groups that the FBI had infiltrated. The FBI knew all about what was coming, but didn't bother to tell the Capital Police, or insist on extra security. NO ONE in that crowd thought they were going to take control of the US government with flag poles and buffalo horns. To my mind, what's happened AFTER Jan 6 has been as bad or worse than what happened that day. We STILL have people in jail, in DC, who have NOT BEEN CHARGED. That kind of crap is not supposed to happen in this country. Almost no one has been charged with "insurrection"... although, if you listened to CNN, that's what they ALL were there to do. Very few have been charged with any violent offense. What I saw was: JUST at the moment that the House was about to start hearing debate on why vote totals from a few states should NOT be certified, the building was breached, and all proceedings stopped! No official duties took place until late in the night, in secret. Seemed awfully convenient to me.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 13, 2023 1:58:11 GMT
Lol. That’s a pretty ignorant statement. There are LOTS of people who love being beneficiaries. They go to extraordinary lengths to make SURE they maintain that status. But nobody really chooses to be a net beneficiary. As long as we have a social safety net, there will be people that receive more than they are taxed. I don’t see a reason to also dehumanize those people. We do agree that they are still people, hopefully. The campaign to demonize poor people as if they are the ones abusing their power, has clearly been very effective. Of the groups skirting taxes, a poor person getting food stamps is at the bottom of my list of concerns or needs for reform. There are PLENTY of people who CHOOSE to be net beneficiaries. They exist to to find ways to get as much 'free stuff' as they can, without having to do anything. It's become generational. Temporarily taking away their vote, for Federal elections is not dehumanizing. It should be inspirational. If they really care, it will inspire them to improve their situation, if they can. I'm not suggesting we take away the safety net. There are also plenty of people who need a helping hand. But, voting should be a privilege. And, I don't think it's so radical to think this "privilege" should be reserved for people who are currently contributing materially to the financial security of the country. But.. of course, I'd be fine just limiting voting rights to people who will make the effort to go vote, in person, with a picture proving who they are. I'm confident that step will take care of any concerns I. or other, have about fraud.
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Post by aufan on Mar 13, 2023 2:21:05 GMT
I disagree. Taking away someone’s right to vote because they are poor is not inspirational. It is dehumanizing. What other rights should we take away from poor people?
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Post by bluehen on Mar 13, 2023 13:38:03 GMT
What a sucker for conspiracies...Bevo ( the FBI insurgents ). Duh...of course in a mob that huge there will be plenty of non violent types. After the first line of criminals spearheaded the assault and breached the police line, broke through windows and doors, etc., there was nothing for the mob remainders to do but casually enter....and why were congress members herded into a secure location. ? Tourists are nothing to fear. aufan, I respectfully disagree and just think of it as 'tough love' for the overall health of the nation. If you don't pay taxes to support the US government you don't participate in the decision making process (voting) with no other fundamental human rights affected. This wouldn't result in a mass loss of voting rights , imo, as most poor people do, indeed, pay taxes - basically, the working poor.
I think my voting license idea would cull out more potential voters than a tax paying requirement.
What's your opinion of convicted criminals voting ?
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Post by aufan on Mar 13, 2023 18:35:01 GMT
I just think making democracy more representative, not less, is the way to make things better.
Instead of going backward 200 years and instituting poll taxes or IQ tests because we hate poor and stupid people, I think there are some more reasonable things to do first.
Let’s remove the electoral college and make the presidency a popular vote. Good first step to me.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 13, 2023 19:02:59 GMT
I disagree. Taking away someone’s right to vote because they are poor is not inspirational. It is dehumanizing. What other rights should we take away from poor people? There is NO "right to vote" guaranteed in the constitution, only prohibitions of taking it away for a few specific reasons. Voting doesn't make us human. It just makes us participants. How do you feel about requiring in-person voting with photo-id?
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Post by Bevo on Mar 13, 2023 19:14:21 GMT
What a sucker for conspiracies...Bevo ( the FBI insurgents ) The ONLY person I have seen on video encouraging protestors to "go into the capital" was Ray Epps. And he seems to be the ONLY person not charged with anything. Explain that one Hen? I'm not saying all the people attacking the capital were FBI agents. I'm saying, the FBI HAD informants in all of the groups that were involved. They KNEW it was being planned. And yet, they did nothing to prevent it. Why would that be? Duh...of course in a mob that huge there will be plenty of non violent types. After the first line of criminals spearheaded the assault and breached the police line, broke through windows and doors, etc., there was nothing for the mob remainders to do but casually enter.... Those 'non-violent types' were plentiful.. and, they're being charged and put in jail for longer sentences than actual violent types. The people who went to the capital were a SMALL % of the people in DC for the rally. The people among those at the capital that were leading the violent assault were a SMALL % of the people at the capital. It was ugly, for sure. It was temporarily out of control, for sure. But, it was never, in ANY sense of the word, an "insurrection". No one was there with the intent of overthrowing the government. That's always been patently ridiculous. And that is the reason almost no one has been charged with insurrection. But, they're being punished as if they were. and why were congress members herded into a secure location. ? Tourists are nothing to fear. Because that was the prudent thing to do when the outcome was unknown. As it turned out, there were no armed invaders.
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Post by tigercpa on Mar 13, 2023 20:45:23 GMT
What a sucker for conspiracies...Bevo ( the FBI insurgents ) The ONLY person I have seen on video encouraging protestors to "go into the capital" was Ray Epps. And he seems to be the ONLY person not charged with anything. Explain that one Hen? I'm not saying all the people attacking the capital were FBI agents. I'm saying, the FBI HAD informants in all of the groups that were involved. They KNEW it was being planned. And yet, they did nothing to prevent it. Why would that be? Duh...of course in a mob that huge there will be plenty of non violent types. After the first line of criminals spearheaded the assault and breached the police line, broke through windows and doors, etc., there was nothing for the mob remainders to do but casually enter.... Those 'non-violent types' were plentiful.. and, they're being charged and put in jail for longer sentences than actual violent types. The people who went to the capital were a SMALL % of the people in DC for the rally. The people among those at the capital that were leading the violent assault were a SMALL % of the people at the capital. It was ugly, for sure. It was temporarily out of control, for sure. But, it was never, in ANY sense of the word, an "insurrection". No one was there with the intent of overthrowing the government. That's always been patently ridiculous. And that is the reason almost no one has been charged with insurrection. But, they're being punished as if they were. and why were congress members herded into a secure location. ? Tourists are nothing to fear. Because that was the prudent thing to do when the outcome was unknown. As it turned out, there were no armed invaders. Yep. Common knowledge, over half the current KKK membership is undercover feds.
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Post by tigercpa on Mar 13, 2023 21:00:54 GMT
Lol. That’s a pretty ignorant statement. There are LOTS of people who love being beneficiaries. They go to extraordinary lengths to make SURE they maintain that status. IMO, the truth is somewhere between .............some deadbeats collecting ,somewhat fraudulently, and plenty of good but needy folks collecting due to unfortunate circumstances beyond their control
and Bevo, c'mon buddy. Of course the 'tourists' that Tucker wants you to see aren't injuring police officers. The violent ones that your own eyes saw that day were indeed assaulting officers and property. Trust your good brain and vision ..... not Tucker's bullshit propaganda spin.
Tucker's propaganda? All he is doing is showing raw footage. Propaganda is what the J6 Committee spewed for 2 years, while withholding exculpatory evidence from others. The truth is, both can be, and are, true. Was there violence - yes. Were there non-violent protestors - yes. Here is an excerpt from a really good J6 analysis that lays out the behind the scenes actions: "There are two possibilities: Millions of people, against all the odds, hitting all-time records even past Obama and Clinton, voted for a naval gazing ambulatory pathological racist moron, and chose Joe Malarkey as their leader. Or this was a coup, a conspiracy, and a treasonous manipulation regime change because President Trump could not be controlled by the deep state and globalists who OWN AND OPERATE WASHINGTON DC. BOTH POSSIBILITIES ARE TERRIFYING."
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Post by bluehen on Mar 14, 2023 14:28:40 GMT
Yow, what comments for a B10 expansion tread.
Now Bevo, please list any of the popular, fashionable , fringe right wing, wack-a-doodle, unproven conspiracy theories that you DO NOT buy, hook line and sinker.....even just one. Thanks. " Why would that be"..... yep, a genuine 'Tucker Sucker' indicator. So many of the peaceful tourists who did nothing criminal are in jail ?? As Aufan says...PROVE that.
Aufan, totally agree about abolishing the electoral college system, but still strongly feel that mass dumbth, and ignorance should not cancel out mass intelligence and awareness regarding decision making of the nation and that is not directed at any particular socio-economic class. A sizeable demographic sample impacted, imo, would be middle working class, white, marginally educated ,rural folks..not poor at all.
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Post by tigercpa on Mar 14, 2023 15:09:12 GMT
We are gonna need more conspiracy theories. All of the old ones have turned out to be true. Conspiracy Theorists 42 Normies 0
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Post by bluehen on Mar 14, 2023 15:43:57 GMT
Aufan, please handle that ridiculous statement. I'm out of gas.....the MTG fan club, right here in NationalChamps ??
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Post by Bevo on Mar 14, 2023 19:36:28 GMT
Yow, what comments for a B10 expansion tread. 1000X more interesting that Big 10 expansion. :-) Now Bevo, please list any of the popular, fashionable , fringe right wing, wack-a-doodle, unproven conspiracy theories that you DO NOT buy, hook line and sinker.....even just one. As I said on here not long ago, I have never believed that Dominion voting machines were fraudulently changing votes. And, I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job. There's TWO for you. So many of the peaceful tourists who did nothing criminal are in jail ?? As Aufan says...PROVE that. You REALLY don't know about the fate of ANY of the people arrested for being in DC in Jan 6? Wow... talk about being ignorant. There are some, Hen, who are STILL in jail now... without being charged yet. You can start by looking at the case of Pam Hemphill.. a 69-year old grandmother, cancer patient, who didn't even actually go IN to the capital. She was sentenced to 60 days in jail. www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/boise-woman-sentenced-for-role-in-us-capitol-riot-pamela-hemphill-january-6-2021/277-3aa12194-5a54-4abe-88a2-d644cf5043aaRonald McAbee is another interesting case.. He will be in jail for TWO YEARS before having a chance to defend himself in court. He was a sheriff deputy in Tennessee, never in trouble with the law. Not exactly a flight risk. All across the country, there are stories of people committing violent crimes, who are released from jail in less than 24 hours. But, this guy's crimes were so horrible, he stays locked up for 2 years, waiting for a trial? It's truly shameful. What some of the did was bad. But, the over-reaction to the level of actual crime has been disgraceful.
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Post by aufan on Mar 14, 2023 21:24:12 GMT
Aufan, please handle that ridiculous statement. I'm out of gas.....the MTG fan club, right here in NationalChamps ?? He is right. When you stick your fingers in your ears, ignore when a conspiracy is debunked, and march on independent of facts, common sense, and basic math skills, conspiracy theorists are at least 42-0.
Apparently heart disease prevalence has increased 157x after COVID vaccines. That makes the count 43-0, filed under the "basic math skills" category.
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