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Post by bluehen on Mar 15, 2023 1:38:10 GMT
At least Bevo admits the wacko conspiracies to be 40-2
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Post by Bevo on Mar 15, 2023 12:31:13 GMT
At least Bevo admits the wacko conspiracies to be 40-2 I just said I don’t believe them. I could be wrong. The game is not over yet.
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Post by tigercpa on Mar 15, 2023 14:37:48 GMT
Aufan, please handle that ridiculous statement. I'm out of gas.....the MTG fan club, right here in NationalChamps ?? Of course it's a ridiculous statement - it's called exaggeration for emphasis.
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Post by aufan on Mar 15, 2023 14:43:53 GMT
I disagree. Taking away someone’s right to vote because they are poor is not inspirational. It is dehumanizing. What other rights should we take away from poor people? There is NO "right to vote" guaranteed in the constitution, only prohibitions of taking it away for a few specific reasons. Voting doesn't make us human. It just makes us participants. How do you feel about requiring in-person voting with photo-id? The constitution refers to it as a right to vote, and hundreds of years of progress has solidified it as a right. I disagree with taking it away arbitrarily, or saying it is nothing but a privilege. The idea that nobody chooses to be a net beneficiary I believe to be fact, but more on the grounds that nobody really chooses anything, so I know that argument won’t take with you. Another way to put it, is that net beneficiaries are a product of our country and our society. Those people will always exist. Saying that this segment of society doesn’t deserve basic rights is an appalling to me. I know the republican denomination of Christianity does not agree with these part of the Bible, but maybe your denomination does? “ For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’” This is my point above, we will always have poor people. “ Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.” Taking away someone’s right to vote has been a means of oppression throughout our history. “ Whoever closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself call out and not be answered.” Just another verse, we shouldn’t ignore the poor, and our agreed upon method for voicing our concerns is voting.
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Post by aufan on Mar 15, 2023 14:52:25 GMT
What a sucker for conspiracies...Bevo ( the FBI insurgents ). Duh...of course in a mob that huge there will be plenty of non violent types. After the first line of criminals spearheaded the assault and breached the police line, broke through windows and doors, etc., there was nothing for the mob remainders to do but casually enter....and why were congress members herded into a secure location. ? Tourists are nothing to fear. aufan, I respectfully disagree and just think of it as 'tough love' for the overall health of the nation. If you don't pay taxes to support the US government you don't participate in the decision making process (voting) with no other fundamental human rights affected. This wouldn't result in a mass loss of voting rights , imo, as most poor people do, indeed, pay taxes - basically, the working poor.
I think my voting license idea would cull out more potential voters than a tax paying requirement.
What's your opinion of convicted criminals voting ?
Hen, let’s be clear. My vote is NOT being canceled out. My vote DOES NOT COUNT AT ALL. The dumbth in Florida has infinitely more voting power than me for the president. Let’s take baby steps. I’d LOVE it if my vote was canceled out, or in different terms, I could cancel out their vote. But I can’t, because my vote is worthless. You are concerned with dumbth, or as a Fox News producer called their viewers, terrorists… the dumb cousin fucking types, I vote you start calling them that too. The party that has lost 7 of the last 8 popular votes are the ones who get more of their votes from these dumbths. Just let me start canceling out one of their votes. If that doesn’t work then we deserve to have dumbth run the country.
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Post by tigercpa on Mar 15, 2023 17:22:49 GMT
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Post by bluehen on Mar 15, 2023 18:11:36 GMT
Aufan, here in the Blue Ridge mountains I live among those "cousin fucking, FNC loyalist viewer types" ( that's pretty severe !) and so many are good friends and most are good hearted salt-of-the- Earth type folks.....and evangelical in nature. But most never even heard of the Dominion lawsuit vs Fox for blatant lies and fraud. They have no clue what Tucker, Hannity, Ingraham, etc. actually think and say off camera as exposed by the lawsuit...so easily deceived and lied too. They would not believe that Tucker really can't stand trump and considers him a buffoon and 'demonic force'. I understand your concern for basic human rights and all that but strongly feel that some level of 'minimum standard' voter intelligence would inspire far superior, honest, intelligent, truly patriotic people to enter politics and national leadership than what were seeing now, simply because they wouldn't have to pander to mass dumbth and ignorance to get elected. Don't know the answer but this system of democracy we have now has a limited shelf life as long as mass dumbth, ignorance and gullibility has such decision making power (voting).....IMO. I know we're all going around in circles in this discussion. It's a complex issue
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Post by aufan on Mar 15, 2023 18:13:12 GMT
“The Postal Service delivered at least 135 million ballots, including both blank ballots delivered from election officials to voters and completed ballots returning from voters to election officials.” If you ignore the plain English, and don’t understand that ballots need to be both sent and received, then I believe you have uncovered another grand conspiracy! 43-0 is the record now! Congrats!
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Post by Bevo on Mar 16, 2023 2:12:41 GMT
There is NO "right to vote" guaranteed in the constitution, only prohibitions of taking it away for a few specific reasons. Voting doesn't make us human. It just makes us participants. How do you feel about requiring in-person voting with photo-id? The constitution refers to it as a right to vote, and hundreds of years of progress has solidified it as a right. I disagree with taking it away arbitrarily, or saying it is nothing but a privilege. The idea that nobody chooses to be a net beneficiary I believe to be fact, but more on the grounds that nobody really chooses anything, so I know that argument won’t take with you. Another way to put it, is that net beneficiaries are a product of our country and our society. Those people will always exist. Saying that this segment of society doesn’t deserve basic rights is an appalling to me. I know the republican denomination of Christianity does not agree with these part of the Bible, but maybe your denomination does? “ For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’” This is my point above, we will always have poor people. “ Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.” Taking away someone’s right to vote has been a means of oppression throughout our history. “ Whoever closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself call out and not be answered.” Just another verse, we shouldn’t ignore the poor, and our agreed upon method for voicing our concerns is voting. You’re right… I don’t buy into the “it’s all pre-determined” crowd. If our country goes into financial default, NO ONE will be able to help the poor. This has nothing to with taking away rights from or help to the poor. It’s about improved stewardship of our country’s finances. Still no opinion on in-person voting ? Or photo ID? I know…. It’s a radical concept. Not like we ever tried it before.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 16, 2023 2:17:07 GMT
Voting is a privilege… like it or not. it can, and IS taken away for specific, logical reasons. Not arbitrarily.
But I agree that my dream will never happen.
Which is why, I’d be fine just limiting voting to those capable of and motivated enough to go and DO it .. in person.. even if we take a whole weekend to do it.
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Post by aufan on Mar 16, 2023 9:56:26 GMT
The constitution refers to it as a right to vote, and hundreds of years of progress has solidified it as a right. I disagree with taking it away arbitrarily, or saying it is nothing but a privilege. The idea that nobody chooses to be a net beneficiary I believe to be fact, but more on the grounds that nobody really chooses anything, so I know that argument won’t take with you. Another way to put it, is that net beneficiaries are a product of our country and our society. Those people will always exist. Saying that this segment of society doesn’t deserve basic rights is an appalling to me. I know the republican denomination of Christianity does not agree with these part of the Bible, but maybe your denomination does? “ For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’” This is my point above, we will always have poor people. “ Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.” Taking away someone’s right to vote has been a means of oppression throughout our history. “ Whoever closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself call out and not be answered.” Just another verse, we shouldn’t ignore the poor, and our agreed upon method for voicing our concerns is voting. You’re right… I don’t buy into the “it’s all pre-determined” crowd. If our country goes into financial default, NO ONE will be able to help the poor. This has nothing to with taking away rights from or help to the poor. It’s about improved stewardship of our country’s finances. Still no opinion on in-person voting ? Or photo ID? I know…. It’s a radical concept. Not like we ever tried it before. Financial stewardship, thanks for the laugh. I’m fine with in person voting, if we guaranteed in person voting could be done quickly and easily, while allowing exceptions to still mail in ballots. I have never understood the logic that I can provide X documentation to get a voter ID card, but I simply can’t provide X documentation to vote. Why the extra step?
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Post by bluehen on Mar 18, 2023 0:59:19 GMT
I don't want anybody's vote around here cancelled out by a complete dope....regardless of any political affiliation.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 18, 2023 20:10:20 GMT
Financial stewardship, thanks for the laugh. I agree. I haven't seen much of it in my life, from either Party. But it's really no laughing matter. I think the lack of it is an existential threat to our country. Removing votes from people who are being given the GIFTS empowers the votes of the people being taxed. I think that's a step in the right direction. I’m fine with in person voting, if we guaranteed in person voting could be done quickly and easily, while allowing exceptions to still mail in ballots. Well, there's a surprise. Agreement. I'm also fine with allowing mail in exceptions for people with real hardship. And for advanced voting for people who will be traveling. I've done that a few times. I just think it's a very bad idea to auto-mail millions of ballots to people on a list that everyone knows is outdated and incorrect. Voting should be quick and easy. And, I think... all done as close to the same time as possible, while achieving the goal of being quick. I'd be fine with voting over a whole week. Taking 2-3 months, I think, is ridiculous and makes fraud easier. I have never understood the logic that I can provide X documentation to get a voter ID card, but I simply can’t provide X documentation to vote. Why the extra step? I think, the idea was... to give time to verify X documentation. If you show it, get registered and confirmed. Then the voting process speeds up. All you have to do is, show that you ARE who you say you are. This would all be much simpler if we all had National ID cards, complete with photo. I understand the objections many have had about this.. Mostly right-wing. But, times have changed. There IS NO privacy any more. Not if you want to vote anyway. I think the benefits of such a card now far outweigh any negatives.
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Post by Bevo on Mar 19, 2023 1:58:24 GMT
The constitution refers to it as a right to vote, From the liberal bible, the NYT... "Indeed, what most voters would consider a foundational right — electing a president — exists nowhere in the Constitution, which says presidential electors may be appointed “in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct.”www.nytimes.com/article/voting-rights-constitution.html
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Post by tigercpa on Mar 20, 2023 13:33:40 GMT
Hen, what do you think about raising the voting age to 25?
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