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Post by Bevo on Aug 10, 2023 15:19:59 GMT
They won't know what you're talking about. MSNBC/CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS wouldn't touch this story for ANY amount of ratings. 2020 was the "cleanest election ever!"
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Post by bluehen on Aug 10, 2023 15:29:03 GMT
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Post by Bevo on Aug 10, 2023 17:37:25 GMT
As bad as Bin Laden? Is that really where you want to align yourself?
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Post by aufan on Aug 10, 2023 17:55:19 GMT
Ah yes, getting people registered so they can participate in democracy. Oh the humanity.
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 10, 2023 18:28:56 GMT
Ah yes, getting people registered so they can participate in democracy. Oh the humanity. Normally, organic voter registration would be acceptable. But, in this case, the clerk noticed that the same individual Dropped off between 8,000 and 10,000 voter registration cards. This same individual returned multiple times over the next few weeks, registering an additional 2,500 voters. Disturbingly, many of those registration forms displayed identical handwriting with fraudulent addresses and falsified phone numbers. Additionally, many signatures did not match those on file with Michigan's Secretary of State. A subsequent raid by Michigan authorities discovered pre-paid gift cards, firearms equipped with silencers, and disposable burner phones. Other curiosities: For such a successful voter drive operation, there is no website, just a personal residence. These group, despite being so successful and receiving millions of dollars in funding apparently dry up after one election cycle, and come back re-branded under different names. For example, the previous voter fraud, err, registration group was known as ACORN. I wonder how many of these registered voters *cough, cough* checked the box for permanent mail-in voting?
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Post by bluehen on Aug 10, 2023 20:31:50 GMT
As bad as Bin Laden? Is that really where you want to align yourself?
nah, not that bad
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 11, 2023 16:36:33 GMT
Ah yes, getting people registered so they can participate in democracy. Oh the humanity. Normally, organic voter registration would be acceptable. But, in this case, the clerk noticed that the same individual Dropped off between 8,000 and 10,000 voter registration cards. This same individual returned multiple times over the next few weeks, registering an additional 2,500 voters. Disturbingly, many of those registration forms displayed identical handwriting with fraudulent addresses and falsified phone numbers. Additionally, many signatures did not match those on file with Michigan's Secretary of State. A subsequent raid by Michigan authorities discovered pre-paid gift cards, firearms equipped with silencers, and disposable burner phones. Other curiosities: For such a successful voter drive operation, there is no website, just a personal residence. These group, despite being so successful and receiving millions of dollars in funding apparently dry up after one election cycle, and come back re-branded under different names. For example, the previous voter fraud, err, registration group was known as ACORN. I wonder how many of these registered voters *cough, cough* checked the box for permanent mail-in voting? Yep no there there except for the there that is actually there. This case was eventually taken over by the FBI. I am sure this is still under investigation so they can't comment.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 12, 2023 10:43:38 GMT
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Post by aufan on Aug 12, 2023 13:31:03 GMT
Ah yes, getting people registered so they can participate in democracy. Oh the humanity. Normally, organic voter registration would be acceptable. But, in this case, the clerk noticed that the same individual Dropped off between 8,000 and 10,000 voter registration cards. This same individual returned multiple times over the next few weeks, registering an additional 2,500 voters. Disturbingly, many of those registration forms displayed identical handwriting with fraudulent addresses and falsified phone numbers. Additionally, many signatures did not match those on file with Michigan's Secretary of State. A subsequent raid by Michigan authorities discovered pre-paid gift cards, firearms equipped with silencers, and disposable burner phones. Other curiosities: For such a successful voter drive operation, there is no website, just a personal residence. These group, despite being so successful and receiving millions of dollars in funding apparently dry up after one election cycle, and come back re-branded under different names. For example, the previous voter fraud, err, registration group was known as ACORN. I wonder how many of these registered voters *cough, cough* checked the box for permanent mail-in voting? Thanks for copying and pasting what I could already read. Did they do anything illegal? Is filling out an application with permission and on behalf of someone else illegal? Maybe these people were illiterate and couldn’t apply for themselves? Regardless you linked a police report about registering people to vote, not even about voting. We know that republicans do not want people to vote, as they have the least popular positions and don’t represent the majority. Republican tactics are to reduce participation in democracy. Democrat tactics are to increase participation in democracy.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 12, 2023 14:36:05 GMT
Republican tactics are to reduce participation in democracy. Democrat tactics are to increase participation in democracy. That's one way to look at it. Another way is: Republicans favor limiting voting to actual, eligible voters and support common sense procedures that make election fraud difficult, if not impossible. Democrats want to loosen every rule or procedure to enable wide-spread election fraud. That's the way I saw 2020. From things like this: www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/15/judge-rules-secretary-state-bensons-ballot-signature-verification-guidance-invalid/4699927001/A judge rules, AFTER THE FACT, that the Michigan Sec State went too far with instructions encouraging election worker to ignore differences in signature verification for mail-in ballots. There were rules in place. The vote counters ignored them. Or this, www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/09/16/court-allows-michigan-to-send-unsolicited-applications-to-vote-by-mail-to-registered-voters/?sh=4dcda2262120Mass mailing ballots to people who NEVER requested them. There were rules in place, approved by the State legislature. The people running the election ignored them. And got approval from the Appeals court. The State Supreme court refused to hear the case, declaring it "moot". because the case didn't reach them until after the election. What happened across many key states in 2020 is not that hard to understand. Democrats exploited flaws in our election system, using the dreaded Covid pandemic as cover. In nearly all states, making fake ballots is difficult. Like currency, they have features that make counterfeiting difficult. Not impossible, but difficult. Plus, ballots have sequentially numbers that can be tracked and traced with pre-elections stocks. What is EASY to copy is the envelope. If you have plenty of extra, real ballots.... (and, when you mass mail them, there are literally millions available)... all you need is a list of names of people who might be registered, but never vote. Or, people who are eligible, but have never registered. Sending in real ballots under real names is easy to do, as long as you're pretty sure the real person won't try to duplicate it. It just takes time, people, and money. All of which were readily available in 2020, in ways that went against established state laws and ways that had never been done in any election before. To really do that, at scale... you need a LONG time. Months. You need an easy way to get ballots into the count, like un-supervised drop boxes. And, you need election workers who ignore the normal verification steps of checking registrations and signatures. All of these happened in 2020. Once the ballots are separated from the envelopes and added to the "pool", no judge in the world is going to invalidate the count or order new elections. That's just the way our system is set up. Do I KNOW, 1000% that all of the above happened. No. I see PLENTY of evidence that it did, including the tracking of telephone data that showed people routinely moving from Democrat offices to drop boxes, over a period of months... in patterns that STOPPED the day after the election. But, that's not the point. The point is: It's plausible. It's possible. Rules and procedures are supposed to make such things implausible, if not impossible. There are ways to stop this.... easy ways. Democrats OPPOSE them all. There are ways to expose this if it happened, NO ONE has done them. Counting and recounting real ballots won't do it. It requires verification of the voter's identification and eligibility. In the very limited areas where this has been done, REAL concerns arise. Everyone knows voter registration rolls are in bad shape. Democrats have consistently opposed any effort to clean them up, for decades. There were massive irregularities in registration in 2020 in all of the key states that were close. One thing ALL elected officials fear is: Uniform voter distrust in elections. That's why, once the election is over, there is a RUSH to close the books, destroy the evidence, and squash any talk of wide-spread fraud. They all know the system has flaws. They don't want to talk about it. It' like trying to ignore a fart. Well, it's too late now. People on BOTH sides have lost faith in the system over the past 25 years. It's going to take real reform to get it back. But, I don't think Democrats have any interest in that. They're on the side of this that's winning, they have little incentive to change. The structure of having all their voters concentrated in cities makes it much easier for them. But, people are starting to understand. Apparently, they're still not 100% sure they can do it all again and get away with it. That's why they have to try to destroy, with political prosecutions, the one person who might still have a chance to do something about it.
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Post by aufan on Aug 12, 2023 15:42:13 GMT
Republican tactics are to reduce participation in democracy. Democrat tactics are to increase participation in democracy. That's one way to look at it. Another way is: Republicans favor limiting voting to actual, eligible voters and support common sense procedures that make election fraud difficult, if not impossible. Democrats want to loosen every rule or procedure to enable wide-spread election fraud. That's the way I saw 2020. From things like this: www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/15/judge-rules-secretary-state-bensons-ballot-signature-verification-guidance-invalid/4699927001/A judge rules, AFTER THE FACT, that the Michigan Sec State went too far with instructions encouraging election worker to ignore differences in signature verification for mail-in ballots. There were rules in place. The vote counters ignored them. Or this, www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/09/16/court-allows-michigan-to-send-unsolicited-applications-to-vote-by-mail-to-registered-voters/?sh=4dcda2262120Mass mailing ballots to people who NEVER requested them. There were rules in place, approved by the State legislature. The people running the election ignored them. And got approval from the Appeals court. The State Supreme court refused to hear the case, declaring it "moot". because the case didn't reach them until after the election. What happened across many key states in 2020 is not that hard to understand. Democrats exploited flaws in our election system, using the dreaded Covid pandemic as cover. In nearly all states, making fake ballots is difficult. Like currency, they have features that make counterfeiting difficult. Not impossible, but difficult. Plus, ballots have sequentially numbers that can be tracked and traced with pre-elections stocks. What is EASY to copy is the envelope. If you have plenty of extra, real ballots.... (and, when you mass mail them, there are literally millions available)... all you need is a list of names of people who might be registered, but never vote. Or, people who are eligible, but have never registered. Sending in real ballots under real names is easy to do, as long as you're pretty sure the real person won't try to duplicate it. It just takes time, people, and money. All of which were readily available in 2020, in ways that went against established state laws and ways that had never been done in any election before. To really do that, at scale... you need a LONG time. Months. You need an easy way to get ballots into the count, like un-supervised drop boxes. And, you need election workers who ignore the normal verification steps of checking registrations and signatures. All of these happened in 2020. Once the ballots are separated from the envelopes and added to the "pool", no judge in the world is going to invalidate the count or order new elections. That's just the way our system is set up. Do I KNOW, 1000% that all of the above happened. No. I see PLENTY of evidence that it did, including the tracking of telephone data that showed people routinely moving from Democrat offices to drop boxes, over a period of months... in patterns that STOPPED the day after the election. But, that's not the point. The point is: It's plausible. It's possible. Rules and procedures are supposed to make such things implausible, if not impossible. There are ways to stop this.... easy ways. Democrats OPPOSE them all. There are ways to expose this if it happened, NO ONE has done them. Counting and recounting real ballots won't do it. It requires verification of the voter's identification and eligibility. In the very limited areas where this has been done, REAL concerns arise. Everyone knows voter registration rolls are in bad shape. Democrats have consistently opposed any effort to clean them up, for decades. There were massive irregularities in registration in 2020 in all of the key states that were close. One thing ALL elected officials fear is: Uniform voter distrust in elections. That's why, once the election is over, there is a RUSH to close the books, destroy the evidence, and squash any talk of wide-spread fraud. They all know the system has flaws. They don't want to talk about it. It' like trying to ignore a fart. Well, it's too late now. People on BOTH sides have lost faith in the system over the past 25 years. It's going to take real reform to get it back. But, I don't think Democrats have any interest in that. They're on the side of this that's winning, they have little incentive to change. The structure of having all their voters concentrated in cities makes it much easier for them. But, people are starting to understand. Apparently, they're still not 100% sure they can do it all again and get away with it. That's why they have to try to destroy, with political prosecutions, the one person who might still have a chance to do something about it. Yes, I've already made the point that republicans want to limit people from voting. The Senate is 50/50 split by representatives, but 186 million/145 million by population, way over-resented by republicans. The democrats have won 7 of the last 8 presidential popular votes, the only thing keeping republicans relevant is the electoral college.
And icing on the cake, which party do you think was found guilty of illegally manipulating elections by the far right supreme court? I bet you wouldn't have guessed: republicans in Alabama.
The republican stance: We are unpopular, our strategy should be to reduce the amount of people who can vote and be represented. Of course you find fault in democrats trying to increase participation in democracy... that is completely against the republican strategy. More voters are bad, because republican policy is widely unpopular.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 13, 2023 20:42:56 GMT
Lol. Oh yea. It’s really hard to be popular with the masses when your platform is; “Take from the rich and give to the poor”.
5 of the 10 least populated states, who benefit the most from the imbalance in representation of the Senate, are deep blue. Both sides benefit from that structure.
Both the Senate structure and electoral college were concessions made to facilitate the very formation of our country. They’re there for a reason: to prevent heavily populated urban areas from dominating the more rural states. It’s worked out pretty well for our country for the past 250 years.
There’s a mechanism for changing it, if enough people think it’s unfair. Given the sorry state of education on history and civics, you might even see it happen some day. I sure hope not.
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Post by bluehen on Aug 14, 2023 16:02:49 GMT
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Post by EvilVodka on Aug 14, 2023 16:34:55 GMT
Normally, organic voter registration would be acceptable. But, in this case, the clerk noticed that the same individual Dropped off between 8,000 and 10,000 voter registration cards. This same individual returned multiple times over the next few weeks, registering an additional 2,500 voters. Disturbingly, many of those registration forms displayed identical handwriting with fraudulent addresses and falsified phone numbers. Additionally, many signatures did not match those on file with Michigan's Secretary of State. A subsequent raid by Michigan authorities discovered pre-paid gift cards, firearms equipped with silencers, and disposable burner phones. Other curiosities: For such a successful voter drive operation, there is no website, just a personal residence. These group, despite being so successful and receiving millions of dollars in funding apparently dry up after one election cycle, and come back re-branded under different names. For example, the previous voter fraud, err, registration group was known as ACORN. I wonder how many of these registered voters *cough, cough* checked the box for permanent mail-in voting? Thanks for copying and pasting what I could already read. Did they do anything illegal? Is filling out an application with permission and on behalf of someone else illegal? Maybe these people were illiterate and couldn’t apply for themselves? Regardless you linked a police report about registering people to vote, not even about voting. We know that republicans do not want people to vote, as they have the least popular positions and don’t represent the majority. Republican tactics are to reduce participation in democracy. Democrat tactics are to increase participation in democracy. Another bad take by the board genius You think Democrats like democracy? Let's see they are: 1) giving money away endlessly to support a war 2) establishing lawfare against their political opponents I'm sure they already have the fix in to steal another election. Maybe they can create another scamdemic in time. Monkey pox anyone? Are you posting between CNN commercial breaks? Lol
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 14, 2023 17:25:26 GMT
$150,000,000 to Ukraine. That's $3,400+ per citizen over there. And just now Biden announces a huge, one-time payment of $700 per household for those burned out in the Hawaii wildfires.
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