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Post by tigercpa on Jun 29, 2024 17:34:55 GMT
John Kelley's word vs trump's. I believe Kelly. 'suckers and losers' sounds so trumpy......just like his trashing of John McCain's service record including " he's no hero. The ones that don't get shot down are the heroes"......which I heard with my own ears. The Washington Post noted in their investigation that there was no evidence that Gen Kelly was even with Trump to hear the alleged comments. Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton, who said he was on the trip, also issued a denial, days after the article came out, saying it was "simply false."
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Post by Bevo on Jun 29, 2024 18:58:43 GMT
John Kelley's word vs trump's. I believe Kelly. 'suckers and losers' sounds so trumpy......just like his trashing of John McCain's service record including " he's no hero. The ones that don't get shot down are the heroes"......which I heard with my own ears. The Washington Post noted in their investigation that there was no evidence that Gen Kelly was even with Trump to hear the alleged comments. Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton, who said he was on the trip, also issued a denial, days after the article came out, saying it was "simply false." It’s worth noting too; Kelly never said this about Trump until AFTER he’d been fired. He had a reason to have a grudge.
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Post by tigercpa on Jun 29, 2024 21:21:35 GMT
The Washington Post noted in their investigation that there was no evidence that Gen Kelly was even with Trump to hear the alleged comments. Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton, who said he was on the trip, also issued a denial, days after the article came out, saying it was "simply false." It’s worth noting too; Kelly never said this about Trump until AFTER he’d been fired. He had a reason to have a grudge.
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Post by aufan on Jun 30, 2024 9:18:49 GMT
They're BOTH liars, Hen. Joe actually said "No US soldier has died on my watch". There are a number of mothers in the country who would disagree. CNN's brutal fact check on Biden: 1. "Suckers and losers" lie 2. "Hitler did good things" lie 3. "Fine people" lie 4. "My son died in Iraq" lie 5. "I capped insulin at $15" lie 6. "I capped Medicaid drug expenses at $200" lie 7. "Retaliation" lie 8. "Trump said he would be a dictator" lie 9. "No soldiers died on my watch" lie 10. "Border crossings fewer than Trump" lie 11. "Unemployment was 15% under Trump" lie 12. "Trump wants to get rid of Social Security" lie 13. "Billionaires pay 8.2% in taxes" lie 14. "Trump said drink bleach" lie 15. "Border patrol endorsed me" lie . . . 37. I reduced the fentanyl debt lie 38. Trump didn’t say march to Capital peacefully lie . . . 53. US is the largest polluter in the world lie You copied this from Twitter, not from CNN.
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Post by aufan on Jun 30, 2024 9:30:43 GMT
Assuming Joe made money, why does it matter? Or asked a different way, why aren’t you equally concerned about Trump’s foreign earnings? Trump made money from selling ACTUAL services... charging the same prices that anyone would pay, for his pre-existing business. Have you ever been to a Trump property? They're excellent. Biden collected money for ONE PUPOSE only, to have access to a politician in a position to help. Like when the Owner of Burisma, in October 2015 contacted Devon Archer and Hunter Biden to ask for help getting the General Prosecutor in Ukraine, Shokin, to "not pursue him". And then, in December, Joe goes there and threatens to withhold $1Billion in congressionally approved aid unless Shokin is fired. One is legit. One is corrupt. I presume you can tell the difference. But I'm made errors with such presumptions in the past. Just because you get money through an established business does not mean it is legit. Regardless, I am nervous if any president receives money from foreign governments. So were our founding fathers. Asking another way, are you concerned that Trump earned millions from foreign governments while president?
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Post by tigercpa on Jun 30, 2024 12:28:18 GMT
Trump made money from selling ACTUAL services... charging the same prices that anyone would pay, for his pre-existing business. Have you ever been to a Trump property? They're excellent. Biden collected money for ONE PUPOSE only, to have access to a politician in a position to help. Like when the Owner of Burisma, in October 2015 contacted Devon Archer and Hunter Biden to ask for help getting the General Prosecutor in Ukraine, Shokin, to "not pursue him". And then, in December, Joe goes there and threatens to withhold $1Billion in congressionally approved aid unless Shokin is fired. One is legit. One is corrupt. I presume you can tell the difference. But I'm made errors with such presumptions in the past. Just because you get money through an established business does not mean it is legit. Regardless, I am nervous if any president receives money from foreign governments. So were our founding fathers. Asking another way, are you concerned that Trump earned millions from foreign governments while president? And those same founders sold goods from their plantations to foreign governments.
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Post by tigercpa on Jun 30, 2024 12:33:53 GMT
CNN's brutal fact check on Biden: 1. "Suckers and losers" lie 2. "Hitler did good things" lie 3. "Fine people" lie 4. "My son died in Iraq" lie 5. "I capped insulin at $15" lie 6. "I capped Medicaid drug expenses at $200" lie 7. "Retaliation" lie 8. "Trump said he would be a dictator" lie 9. "No soldiers died on my watch" lie 10. "Border crossings fewer than Trump" lie 11. "Unemployment was 15% under Trump" lie 12. "Trump wants to get rid of Social Security" lie 13. "Billionaires pay 8.2% in taxes" lie 14. "Trump said drink bleach" lie 15. "Border patrol endorsed me" lie . . . 37. I reduced the fentanyl debt lie 38. Trump didn’t say march to Capital peacefully lie . . . 53. US is the largest polluter in the world lie You copied this from Twitter, not from CNN. Yes, it's an aggregation, started with CNN and many more added by others. Here's is the most comprehenive one I have seen: x.com/OptimistcSkeptc/status/1806783866880811260
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Post by Bevo on Jun 30, 2024 19:56:31 GMT
Asking another way, are you concerned that Trump earned millions from foreign governments while president? No. I'm not concerned. The transactions were open and legitimate. If the Saudis didn't rent a room from Trump, someone else would have... for the same price. Hunter Biden provided NO legitimate service other than access to Joe.
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Post by aufan on Jun 30, 2024 20:42:54 GMT
Just because you get money through an established business does not mean it is legit. Regardless, I am nervous if any president receives money from foreign governments. So were our founding fathers. Asking another way, are you concerned that Trump earned millions from foreign governments while president? And those same founders sold goods from their plantations to foreign governments. Well clearly the founders were hypocrites on many things. Should we just ignore the constitution because if it?
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Post by Hero on Jun 30, 2024 20:50:35 GMT
A sleazy pathological liar and badly fading geezer..........no good. A LIAR? A liar in Washington? What is this country coming to?
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Post by EvilVodka on Jul 1, 2024 13:40:58 GMT
This was one of the saddest nights ever. Trump started well, but finished poorly because he wouldn’t answer questions. But Joe, sigh…. He failed the basic test. He SHOULD be removed from office this week. The man’s brain is shot. That was PAINFUL to watch. I'd give Trump a D, and Biden an F---
It was by far the worst political debate I've ever seen
Furthermore, the format is outdated. The "each candidate has two minutes", given questions by major media networks, is vastly OUTDATED.
Our political system is in full stage rot. This debate format is created for an older generation stuck living in the 20th century media formats.
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Post by tigercpa on Jul 1, 2024 14:05:11 GMT
And those same founders sold goods from their plantations to foreign governments. Well clearly the founders were hypocrites on many things. Should we just ignore the constitution because if it? The argument the lawfarers are making is that paying for a hotel room at a Trump property is equivalent to making a bribe of the same amount. That requires a leap of faith, in as much as this clause has never been litigated...another "novel" legal theory and application, like all of the other Trump suits and allegations that rely on these never before tested legal interpretations. It comes down to, essentially, whether one accepts the broad definition or the narrow definition of emoluments. Obviously, the pl.aintiffs aregue for the very broad definition, while Trumps team argues for the narrow. An amicus brief submitted on Trump's behalf primarily points to GEorge Washington's purchase of public lands. WHile other exampls cited of Jeffesron, Madison and others received varioos gifts from Russia, France as well as Indian tribes. None of these were reported to Congress, the argument being, if the guys who wrote the rule didn't suffer penalties for these very public things, then the narrow definition should apply to Trump as well. Heck, Obama received gifts he did not report.
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