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Post by Hero on Dec 19, 2016 22:25:04 GMT
How can we possibly have an election with a fully informed electorate? You are right to be outraged. You are rationalizing and justifying the Russian government interfering in our election. Like Vladimir Putin performed a public service by directing the computer hackings. Astonishing. Let the truth be suppressed though the heavens fall. |
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Post by Bevo on Dec 19, 2016 22:39:19 GMT
Let the truth be suppressed though the heavens fall. Um... I don't think that's the way the phrase goes?   |
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Post by Bevo on Dec 19, 2016 22:43:04 GMT
Should Trump publicly thank Putin for interfering in our election? No... but, Bernie Sanders should thank WHOEVER it was that leaked to GUCCIFER 2.0. The only election that was actually stolen this year was, Hillary's fraudulent win over Bernie. |
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 20, 2016 0:26:11 GMT
Let the truth be suppressed though the heavens fall. Um... I don't think that's the way the phrase goes? forget it, he's rolling
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 20, 2016 2:23:31 GMT
You are rationalizing and justifying the Russian government interfering in our election. Like Vladimir Putin performed a public service by directing the computer hackings. Astonishing. Let the truth be suppressed though the heavens fall. If you are so concerned about the truth and the voters' need to know, why didn't I see your outrage about the truth and the voters' need to know about Trump's tax returns and the video of his meeting with The NY Times editorial board? No need to answer. It was a rhetorical question. |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 20, 2016 2:32:18 GMT
Should Trump publicly thank Putin for interfering in our election? No... but, Bernie Sanders should thank WHOEVER it was that leaked to GUCCIFER 2.0. The only election that was actually stolen this year was, Hillary's fraudulent win over Bernie. No doubt Hillary benefited considerably from the conspiracy to deny Sanders a fair opportunity l. I don't know if it was a game changer, like Comey's letter to Congress, but I wouldn't rule it out. Putin' interference in the election on behalf of Trump had only a small impact because it was overwhelmed by Comey's letter. |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 20, 2016 2:33:39 GMT
Grumble. I meant "Putin's"
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Post by Bevo on Dec 20, 2016 2:34:40 GMT
Let the truth be suppressed though the heavens fall. and the video of his meeting with The NY Times editorial board? Why aren't transcripts good enough for you? |
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Post by Hero on Dec 20, 2016 7:33:33 GMT
Um... I don't think that's the way the phrase goes? forget it, he's rolling
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 20, 2016 9:40:12 GMT
and the video of his meeting with The NY Times editorial board? Why aren't transcripts good enough for you? I don't care about it at all. I was just wondering why Hero didn't get exacerbated about it back when it was an issue. |
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 20, 2016 10:44:17 GMT
Just like the illegal voters issue...the media spins...
The propaganda arm of the Democrat party known as the news media immediately pounced and spread a claim that Trump said illegal aliens voted in the millions, when what he said was there were millions voting illegally.
When you take into account the phony “extra” votes on the machines in Detroit, on the order of several times the number of actual ballots run through the machine, plus the votes cast by someone registered in more than one state, plus the votes cast in the name of the dead, plus the votes cast by folks whose only tie to the USA is a drivers license issued by a pushover state that declines to require proof of citizenship (California, Washington, etc) to register to vote, and all the rest, yes, WAPO, millions probably voted illegally.
A little logic and actually reading the words go a long way . . .
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Post by Hero on Dec 20, 2016 12:45:47 GMT
Why aren't transcripts good enough for you? I don't care about it at all. I was just wondering why Hero didn't get exacerbated about it back when it was an issue. I respect truth. I have a low tolerance for media perpetuated clear and certain BS. |
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Post by Hero on Dec 20, 2016 12:46:05 GMT
Just like the illegal voters issue...the media spins... The propaganda arm of the Democrat party known as the news media immediately pounced and spread a claim that Trump said illegal aliens voted in the millions, when what he said was there were millions voting illegally. When you take into account the phony “extra” votes on the machines in Detroit, on the order of several times the number of actual ballots run through the machine, plus the votes cast by someone registered in more than one state, plus the votes cast in the name of the dead, plus the votes cast by folks whose only tie to the USA is a drivers license issued by a pushover state that declines to require proof of citizenship (California, Washington, etc) to register to vote, and all the rest, yes, WAPO, millions probably voted illegally. A little logic and actually reading the words go a long way . . . Amen to that. |
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Post by GatorGrad on Dec 20, 2016 13:48:53 GMT
It's just amazing to me how misleading this "Russian hack" story is. They didn't physically force any American voters to fill in the bubble for Trump over Hillary nor did they electronically tamper with the results. Let's assume that it was the Russian's...they simply exposed the truth. If that led to voters changing their mind and voting for Trump over Clinton then perhaps the dems shouldn't have been so careless with their actions and their willingness to discuss them via email. I never write anything in an email that I wouldn't be OK with it becoming public knowledge. That's just the world we live in - nothing is secure or private anymore. Not emails, texts, and not even private phone conversations. They have themselves to blame. They shouldn't be blaming Russia for outing their shadiness. Notice that no one is disputing the authenticity of the emails themselves. They are just mad that they got exposed for who they are. You were on a roll, and I was agreeing with most everything, except that the Russian government must be exposed, condemned and severely punished for interfering with the U.S. election. I can't believe that any American would tolerate any foreign government interfering or attempting to interfere with a U.S. election. Yet, that is exactly what Donald Trump and many of his supporters are doing. Disgraceful. It shouldn't make any difference which side the foreign government was trying to help. I didn't say that the Russian government SHOULDN'T be exposed/condemned/punished, etc for their actions. That is a separate discussion / argument. I agree with you, that is concerning and should be addressed. All I was addressing in my post was how misleading the "Russian Hack" story is and how it misses the larger point. It would be one thing if there was some hack that actually changed the voting results. But what we are talking about here is the release of information that exposed some truths about the DNC which simply gave voters more information - how they processed that information is up to them. Just like how voters processed the TMZ tape of Trump on the bus. While it is concerning how some of this information got released, at the end of the day if it is true then nobody has anyone to blame but themselves. Nobody made the dems write the things that they did in an email, nobody made Hillary set up a private server, etc. It's laughable that they would blame anyone but themselves for losing the election. |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 20, 2016 16:37:46 GMT
I didn't say that the Russian government SHOULDN'T be exposed/condemned/punished, etc for their actions. That is a separate discussion / argument. I agree with you, that is concerning and should be addressed. All I was addressing in my post was how misleading the "Russian Hack" story is and how it misses the larger point. The Kremlin's interference in the U.S. election is the larger point. To the best of my knowledge, it is the first time in history that an adversarial foreign government has attempted to undermine confidence in a U.S. election and to sway the outcome of an election. It shouldn't matter whether the Russians were trying to help Clinton or Trump. I still can't believe that Trump supporters aren't totally outraged. I don't see anyone contending that the Russian government's computer hackings changed the outcome of the election. That is a red herring. Democrats cannot blame, and are not blaming the Russians for losing the election. However, Comey's letter to Congress is another matter. |
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