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Post by doc on Dec 5, 2016 18:23:50 GMT
A subtle move by the committee in the final rankings. Penn State moved ahead of TTUN despite losing by 39 when they played. They both had two losses. Was this done to counter the, well we beat Ohio State head 2 head argument by PSU - I guess we'll never know. It would have really been interesting had Washington lost - then it would have come down to PSU or TTUN, Harbaugh would have had an absolute melt down in that scenario. I feel for Penn State, they had a great year and I wish them well in the Rose Bowl. Quite frankly I hope FSU pounds Harbaugh, Peppers and the rest of TTUN. OSU has been on the other side of these close rankings and I know how much it hurts. I did hear an interesting conversation yesterday. It is it OSU and TTUN's best interests to play 'The Game' on the final day of the regular season? The loser is virtually out of any playoff discussion when you can recover from a loss earlier in the year. I hope it doesn't change but it is a valid point. I try to keep up with the cute codes, but I gave up on TTUN. I was finally able to figure out that that it is Alcorn State. What if I used USPM? Would you know which school this common acronym in my circles refers to? TTUN is easier to type than *ichigan! As for USPM - I have no idea!
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Post by ajbuckeye on Dec 5, 2016 19:01:46 GMT
It counted, good enough for finishing as the highest ranked two-loss team...#5 overall. What about head to head for Michigan who destroyed PSU but finished behind them? What matters more, head to head or the conference crown? What I think this shows us is that those are more "tiebreakers" whereas in this case there was no tie to break because the committee thought that OSU had a better overall resume. Even better than P12 Champ Washington. So... 11-1 ALWAYS beats 11-2?? Even when 11-2 has BEATEN 11-1 on the field? Assuming 11-1 also has a decent OOC win? Sorry.. I don't buy that crap. PLAY ON THE FIELD matters...especially when trying to decide between TWO teams. That has ALWAYS been the case in conference play. There's a reason for that. This result is SICKENING. I think it's noteworthy that our resident Ohio State fans have gone silent. I think, somewhere... deep down, they KNOW they don't deserve this. The sport is pissing on the BEST MARKETING STORY of the year: The resurgence of Penn State. Why? For the BRAND NAME APPEAL of a freaking big school. Well... that will help Texas, one day... eventually.... But, I pray the sport has found a better way before then... I completely disagree about the reasoning for the silence. We can debate until we are blue in the face and neither will be able to see the other's side. Here are the resumes: Ohio State 11 - 1 vs #5 Loss on the Road vs #6 Win at Home vs #7 Win on the Road vs #8 Win on the Road Penn St 11 - 2 vs #2 Win at Home vs #6 Loss on the Road vs #8 Win Neutral vs #23 Loss on the Road If you read the overview of the playoff committee they were tasked to rate to the teams based on their resumes. If they felt 2 resumes were very close then they would use parameters such as Head to Head and conference titles to break the tie. Ohio State clearly had a better resume even if the teams had the same number of losses. Then you factor in the 1 loss vs 2 losses and it is a no brainer. I am just amazed that so many on this board can not see it. It was the talking heads that keep throwing out that head to head and conference championships should trump all but that is something that was merely fabricated by the talking heads like May, Kannel, and Pollack. You want to throw in head to head then since Penn st and Michigan bot had 2 losses then Michigan should be rated ahead of Penn St. Since Ohio State beat Michigan head to head then you could never put Penn State ahead of Ohio State because they lost to Michigan. This crazy logic pretty much explains why you can't use head to head in this situation. Please somebody on this board take a look at the resumes that I provide and explain to me how Penn St deserved to be in over Ohio State.
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Post by doc on Dec 5, 2016 19:23:28 GMT
I didn't chime in because I took a self-imposed timeout having felt that I had said all I could on the issue and I hate discussion/arguments - just ask my wife. In the 31+ years we've been married she'll tell you she could count on one hand the number of 'discussions' I've initiated. In fact it drives her nuts that I won't have arguments.
As for the selections - I felt Ohio State was definitely one of the 4 best teams in the country and should have been selected. I can understand PSU's disappointment because they've had a great season but losing by 39 and having one more loss was definitely the deciding factors. I think you would have to go back to Nebraska in 2001 to find a team that got destroyed in a regular season game and still got a chance to play in an NC game. Best teams don't get beat by 39 regardless of the circumstances.
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Post by EvilVodka on Dec 5, 2016 19:46:12 GMT
So... 11-1 ALWAYS beats 11-2?? Even when 11-2 has BEATEN 11-1 on the field? Assuming 11-1 also has a decent OOC win? Sorry.. I don't buy that crap. PLAY ON THE FIELD matters...especially when trying to decide between TWO teams. That has ALWAYS been the case in conference play. There's a reason for that. This result is SICKENING. I think it's noteworthy that our resident Ohio State fans have gone silent. I think, somewhere... deep down, they KNOW they don't deserve this. The sport is pissing on the BEST MARKETING STORY of the year: The resurgence of Penn State. Why? For the BRAND NAME APPEAL of a freaking big school. Well... that will help Texas, one day... eventually.... But, I pray the sport has found a better way before then... I completely disagree about the reasoning for the silence. We can debate until we are blue in the face and neither will be able to see the other's side. Here are the resumes: Ohio State 11 - 1 vs #5 Loss on the Road vs #6 Win at Home vs #7 Win on the Road vs #8 Win on the Road Penn St 11 - 2 vs #2 Win at Home vs #6 Loss on the Road vs #8 Win Neutral vs #23 Loss on the Road If you read the overview of the playoff committee they were tasked to rate to the teams based on their resumes. If they felt 2 resumes were very close then they would use parameters such as Head to Head and conference titles to break the tie. Ohio State clearly had a better resume even if the teams had the same number of losses. Then you factor in the 1 loss vs 2 losses and it is a no brainer. I am just amazed that so many on this board can not see it. It was the talking heads that keep throwing out that head to head and conference championships should trump all but that is something that was merely fabricated by the talking heads like May, Kannel, and Pollack. You want to throw in head to head then since Penn st and Michigan bot had 2 losses then Michigan should be rated ahead of Penn St. Since Ohio State beat Michigan head to head then you could never put Penn State ahead of Ohio State because they lost to Michigan. This crazy logic pretty much explains why you can't use head to head in this situation. Please somebody on this board take a look at the resumes that I provide and explain to me how Penn St deserved to be in over Ohio State. The problem is, the answer to who should be in Penn State or Ohio State all depends on what you value... Many people, including myself, thought the committee valued conference championships and head to head, since they made such a point of that in '14 Apparently, the committee values magic sauce, and whatever team looks saucy that year is in
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Post by doc on Dec 5, 2016 20:14:28 GMT
2014 - was more about Baylor's putrid OOC schedule than the conference championship. Baylor was recognized as the conference representative but their OOC schedule was so bad it couldn't compete with the other contenders. That and Ohio State beat the runner-up 59-0 with a second string QB....
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Post by cjhawkeyes on Dec 5, 2016 20:31:09 GMT
Again, the debate is pointless. If there were established rules, there would be no complaining even if the adopted rules were not everyone's first choice.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 5, 2016 20:32:12 GMT
I try to keep up with the cute codes, but I gave up on TTUN. I was finally able to figure out that that it is Alcorn State. What if I used USPM? Would you know which school this common acronym in my circles refers to? TTUN is easier to type than *ichigan! As for USPM - I have no idea! How did you expect me to know that TTUN somehow meant Michigan? I didn't expect you to know what USPM meant. It is what some Marshall fans derisively call WVU: the University of Southern Pennsylvania in Morgantown.
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Post by doc on Dec 5, 2016 20:34:45 GMT
Again, the debate is pointless. If there were established rules, there would be no complaining even if the adopted rules were not everyone's first choice. I agree - that's why I shut things down last Thursday!
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Post by doc on Dec 5, 2016 20:36:52 GMT
TTUN is easier to type than *ichigan! As for USPM - I have no idea! How did you expect me to know that TTUN somehow meant Michigan? I didn't expect you to know what USPM meant. It is what some Marshall fans derisively call WVU: the University of Southern Pennsylvania in Morgantown. Sorry - it stands for The Team Up North which is what Woody Hayes called *ichigan - he refused to say that name.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 5, 2016 21:15:40 GMT
Again, the debate is pointless. If there were established rules, there would be no complaining even if the adopted rules were not everyone's first choice. If it was a rule based system it wouldn't stir up all the controversy and debating.....which sells ! This CFP stuff is catering to American pop culture which eats up chaos and idiocy.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 5, 2016 21:26:02 GMT
How did you expect me to know that TTUN somehow meant Michigan? I didn't expect you to know what USPM meant. It is what some Marshall fans derisively call WVU: the University of Southern Pennsylvania in Morgantown. Sorry - it stands for The Team Up North which is what Woody Hayes called *ichigan - he refused to say that name. Lol. And, now I know. In fact, now we both know!
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Post by EvilVodka on Dec 5, 2016 21:30:52 GMT
2014 - was more about Baylor's putrid OOC schedule than the conference championship. Baylor was recognized as the conference representative but their OOC schedule was so bad it couldn't compete with the other contenders. That and Ohio State beat the runner-up 59-0 with a second string QB.... ya, but Baylor was moved AHEAD of TCU that year BECAUSE they won head2head and the conference (although later the Big XII tried to pull co-champ shenanigan crap) Then Ohio State was given the #4 seed due to the 13th data point, and yada yada yada All of that is why the Big XII has been trying to get a championship game!!! It's all apparently crap as well, because the committee just makes up whatever to justify who they pick There is no logic to it, that's what we learned this year. Ohio State is full of awesome sauce and has shiny helmets, so they are #3. It's a freaking miracle Clemson and Washington weren't kicked out for Penn State and Michigan Clemson went ahead of Ohio State because the Committee likes Dabo's ears
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 5, 2016 22:24:32 GMT
Again, the debate is pointless. If there were established rules, there would be no complaining even if the adopted rules were not everyone's first choice. If it was a rule based system it wouldn't stir up all the controversy and debating.....which sells ! This CFP stuff is catering to American pop culture which eats up chaos and idiocy. Yep, Rece basically said so Saturday night - it creates heat and buzz and gives ESPN something to yammer about 24/7 for several months
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Post by bluehen on Dec 5, 2016 22:52:58 GMT
If it was a rule based system it wouldn't stir up all the controversy and debating.....which sells ! This CFP stuff is catering to American pop culture which eats up chaos and idiocy. Yep, Rece basically said so Saturday night - it creates heat and buzz and gives ESPN something to yammer about 24/7 for several months Exactly ,'GOOFY' just plain sells in our contemporary American pop culture..... music, art, TV , movie entertainment and now politics too... everything. Remember ,ESPN stands for Entertainment and Sport Programming Network . This CFP stuff is probably more entertainment driven than sport driven. Us suckers let this phony playoff happen.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 5, 2016 23:42:01 GMT
Just read this. I won't vouch for its accuracy, but it seems plausible. The last 5 years recruiting rankings:
ALA (1,1,1,1,1) CLEM (11,9,17,15,15) OHIO ST (4,7,3,2,5) WASH (29,27,37,18,23)
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