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Post by Bevo on Dec 4, 2016 16:02:29 GMT
These geniuses are going to take FOUR HOURS to announce four teams? BB does 68 in an hour.
if they think I'm watching ONE minute of that horsecrap, they're even dumber than I thought. Especially with all the pre-show talk of Ohio State is a lock.
So... Here's my thing: We are a huge country, and regionally diverse. If we're going to have a "National Champion", we should have each region present a champion. How they pick such a champion should be up to them. If they wish to assign the title of Champion to the CCG winner? Then they should LIVE WITH that result. If they don't like the potential random unfairness of the CCG? Then come up with a better system.
it might well be true, this year, the Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State are the thee "best teams" in the country. But, with only 4 teams allowed in our "National Champion"? We're just not going allow all of them (or even two of them) to come from one conference. YOU GUYS pick your CHamp, and send them forward.
Im more convinced than ever that this system is doomed for failure. Any "subjective" system is doomed to failure. At least, if "success" is defined an outcome that is aceepted by all, or even by most, as "legitimate". Maybe, that's NOT really the desired outcome?
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Post by cjhawkeyes on Dec 4, 2016 16:20:18 GMT
The constant debate over who gets in is aggravating as hell because its all so pointless. One side favors Team A for reason X............other side side favors Team B for reason Y when all of this can be decided before competition begins by agreeing to play by X rules or Y rules. We should know who makes the playoffs given all possible outcomes before they occur. That we are waiting a committee to vote four teams in for reasons that carry no more weight than the reasons that favor the unchosen is the dumbest thing in sports.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 4, 2016 17:03:02 GMT
The constant debate over who gets in is aggravating as hell because its all so pointless. One side favors Team A for reason X............other side side favors Team B for reason Y when all of this can be decided before competition begins by agreeing to play by X rules or Y rules. We should know who makes the playoffs given all possible outcomes before they occur. That we are waiting a committee to vote four teams in for reasons that carry no more weight than the reasons that favor the unchosen is the dumbest thing in sports. 100% agree.... Your system does exactly what's needed, even in the complicated world of FBS. They should use YOUR system, and pick 8 teams... with the first round games played at the higher seeds home. If what I'm hearing about this selection show come true, I may be boycotting the CFP games this year. |
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Post by Bevo on Dec 4, 2016 17:53:41 GMT
Ohio State at #2? yea... right.
No thanks...
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Post by EvilVodka on Dec 4, 2016 18:03:11 GMT
These geniuses are going to take FOUR HOURS to announce four teams? BB does 68 in an hour. if they think I'm watching ONE minute of that horsecrap, they're even dumber than I thought. Especially with all the pre-show talk of Ohio State is a lock. So... Here's my thing: We are a huge country, and regionally diverse. If we're going to have a "National Champion", we should have each region present a champion. How they pick such a champion should be up to them. If they wish to assign the title of Champion to the CCG winner? Then they should LIVE WITH that result. If they don't like the potential random unfairness of the CCG? Then come up with a better system. it might well be true, this year, the Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State are the thee "best teams" in the country. But, with only 4 teams allowed in our "National Champion"? We're just not going allow all of them (or even two of them) to come from one conference. YOU GUYS pick your CHamp, and send them forward. Im more convinced than ever that this system is doomed for failure. Any "subjective" system is doomed to failure. At least, if "success" is defined an outcome that is aceepted by all, or even by most, as "legitimate". Maybe, that's NOT really the desired outcome? Agree with all this To me, the committee sent out an underlying message about brand...brand is a factor Even worse than the Penn St-Ohio State debate, was the discussion about Washington getting left out the committee is a joke...this is already the second controversy in 3 years |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 4, 2016 18:52:59 GMT
I picked the final four perfectly: Alabama, Michigan, Washington, Penn State, Clemson and Ohio State.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 4, 2016 18:55:19 GMT
These geniuses are going to take FOUR HOURS to announce four teams? BB does 68 in an hour. if they think I'm watching ONE minute of that horsecrap, they're even dumber than I thought. Especially with all the pre-show talk of Ohio State is a lock. So... Here's my thing: We are a huge country, and regionally diverse. If we're going to have a "National Champion", we should have each region present a champion. How they pick such a champion should be up to them. If they wish to assign the title of Champion to the CCG winner? Then they should LIVE WITH that result. If they don't like the potential random unfairness of the CCG? Then come up with a better system. it might well be true, this year, the Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State are the thee "best teams" in the country. But, with only 4 teams allowed in our "National Champion"? We're just not going allow all of them (or even two of them) to come from one conference. YOU GUYS pick your CHamp, and send them forward. Im more convinced than ever that this system is doomed for failure. Any "subjective" system is doomed to failure. At least, if "success" is defined an outcome that is aceepted by all, or even by most, as "legitimate". Maybe, that's NOT really the desired outcome? The irony is that you, of all people, have just made the case for an inclusive 16-team playoff system! |
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Dec 4, 2016 18:57:54 GMT
I thought that the committee was prohibited from considering MOV, yet the rationale for excluding Big Ten champion Penn State was Michigan's MOV over the Nittany Lions.
Rule #1: there are no rules
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Post by GatorGrad on Dec 4, 2016 19:04:43 GMT
I tried to warn ya'll. OSU at 11-1 was going to be in. Yes PSU beat them and won the conference. They had the better resume if looking at conference play only. They rightfully earned a Big Ten Championship. The National Championship is a different competition as it includes the other 25% of the games in OOC play where PSU suffered a second loss while OSU beat Oklahoma. People seem to forget that PSU lost TWO games. Had they been 12-1 then they easily finish ahead of 11-1 Ohio State.
Those three Big Ten teams all went 1-1 against each other. Ohio State beat Michigan who crushed Penn State who beat Ohio State. It was just a very unique situation with no clear-cut answer if you are going to use subjective means to determine who is "more deserving." If we want conference titles to be more meaningful and you want to reward them then you will need to grant automatic bids to all five P5 conference champs, add three at-large bids, and have an eight team playoff. You can do this without adding more games just by ditching CCG's (regular season champs with best record wins the conference bid) and having quarter-finals on campus in early December.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 4, 2016 20:03:30 GMT
So Bama and Wash have the 3pm slot, and Clemson and Ohio State take the 7pm slot.
Bama -14, and OSU -3.
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Post by GatorGrad on Dec 4, 2016 20:22:41 GMT
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Post by Bevo on Dec 4, 2016 22:30:28 GMT
I tried to warn ya'll. OSU at 11-1 was going to be in. Yes PSU beat them and won the conference. They had the better resume if looking at conference play only. They rightfully earned a Big Ten Championship. The National Championship is a different competition as it includes the other 25% of the games in OOC play where PSU suffered a second loss while OSU beat Oklahoma. People seem to forget that PSU lost TWO games. Had they been 12-1 then they easily finish ahead of 11-1 Ohio State. Those three Big Ten teams all went 1-1 against each other. Ohio State beat Michigan who crushed Penn State who beat Ohio State. It was just a very unique situation with no clear-cut answer if you are going to use subjective means to determine who is "more deserving." If we want conference titles to be more meaningful and you want to reward them then you will need to grant automatic bids to all five P5 conference champs, add three at-large bids, and have an eight team playoff. You can do this without adding more games just by ditching CCG's (regular season champs with best record wins the conference bid) and having quarter-finals on campus in early December. You didn't have to 'warn us', GG... we all knew the fix was in. Michigan lost TWO games in the B1G. They are not co-champs. It was a TWO -TEAM tie, with a clear winner due to Head to Head. Had Ohio State finished the year looking like a dominant team, I might agree that they should be chosen. But, they didn't. They limped to the finish, as PSU played GREAT. I think this decision exposes the CFP committee as being a complete farce. Frankly, for the second time in the past 20 years, it has killed my interest in college football. |
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 4, 2016 22:36:01 GMT
I thought that the committee was prohibited from considering MOV, yet the rationale for excluding Big Ten champion Penn State was Michigan's MOV over the Nittany Lions. Rule #1: there are no rules Correct, on their website it states no incentives for margin of victory.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 4, 2016 23:16:06 GMT
I thought that the committee was prohibited from considering MOV, yet the rationale for excluding Big Ten champion Penn State was Michigan's MOV over the Nittany Lions. Rule #1: there are no rules Correct, on their website it states no incentives for margin of victory.
ESPN has been pushing MOV as their #1 Advantage for OSU and Michigan all week. I ignore it. |
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Post by Hero on Dec 4, 2016 23:21:01 GMT
These geniuses are going to take FOUR HOURS to announce four teams? BB does 68 in an hour. if they think I'm watching ONE minute of that horsecrap, they're even dumber than I thought. Especially with all the pre-show talk of Ohio State is a lock. So... Here's my thing: We are a huge country, and regionally diverse. If we're going to have a "National Champion", we should have each region present a champion. How they pick such a champion should be up to them. If they wish to assign the title of Champion to the CCG winner? Then they should LIVE WITH that result. If they don't like the potential random unfairness of the CCG? Then come up with a better system. it might well be true, this year, the Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State are the thee "best teams" in the country. But, with only 4 teams allowed in our "National Champion"? We're just not going allow all of them (or even two of them) to come from one conference. YOU GUYS pick your CHamp, and send them forward. Im more convinced than ever that this system is doomed for failure. Any "subjective" system is doomed to failure. At least, if "success" is defined an outcome that is aceepted by all, or even by most, as "legitimate". Maybe, that's NOT really the desired outcome? Agree with all this To me, the committee sent out an underlying message about brand...brand is a factor Even worse than the Penn St-Ohio State debate, was the discussion about Washington getting left out the committee is a joke...this is already the second controversy in 3 years The brand is back. |
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