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Post by EvilVodka on Oct 29, 2017 14:09:32 GMT
I think the Big XII Championship game will turn out to be a bad idea, and actually make it harder for the Big XII to make it to the playoffs...
Iowa State is now at the top of the rankings, but if they win out, they'll most likely have to face Oklahoma or TCU again in a rematch. No matter what, this game will always be a REMATCH. Just so the champion can have a 13th data point?
Why have a championship game if you play a round robin? That makes absolutely no sense
They should have added a couple of teams to get back to 12
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Post by bluehen on Oct 29, 2017 15:46:10 GMT
Agree - Dumb
It was pressured into it by the CFP media
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Post by cjhawkeyes on Oct 29, 2017 16:35:58 GMT
I like it and don't have an issue with rematches. Personally, I wish the other leagues would drop divisions match their top two.
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Post by Bevo on Oct 29, 2017 18:39:59 GMT
I HATE it.
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Post by Hero on Oct 29, 2017 19:19:55 GMT
An opportunity for the best team to put another feather in its cap.
The BIG12 has struggled to make the playoffs without one.
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Post by Bevo on Oct 29, 2017 22:18:39 GMT
An opportunity for the best team to put another feather in its cap. The BIG12 has struggled to make the playoffs without one. The BEST way for Big 12 teams to get to the CFP is to be undefeated. A 12-0 team is not likely to get left out. Adding this game makes more likely that NO TEAM from the Big 12 every goes undefeated. It's a dumb idea, and it makes a MOCKERY of the regular season. Imagine, you go through the season undefeated, then you have to play a rematch against a team you've already beaten, and lose? Now what? Who's the Champ? I'd rather sit, wait... and let other Conferences upset their way out. |
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Post by Hero on Oct 29, 2017 23:04:44 GMT
An opportunity for the best team to put another feather in its cap. The BIG12 has struggled to make the playoffs without one. The BEST way for Big 12 teams to get to the CFP is to be undefeated. A 12-0 team is not likely to get left out. Adding this game makes more likely that NO TEAM from the Big 12 every goes undefeated. It's a dumb idea, and it makes a MOCKERY of the regular season. Imagine, you go through the season undefeated, then you have to play a rematch against a team you've already beaten, and lose? Now what? Who's the Champ? I'd rather sit, wait... and let other Conferences upset their way out. The SEC, ACC, BIG10 have been to the playoffs every year. |
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Post by bluehen on Oct 29, 2017 23:50:15 GMT
I like it and don't have an issue with rematches. Personally, I wish the other leagues would drop divisions match their top two. "top two " based on what " ? |
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Post by cjhawkeyes on Oct 30, 2017 0:14:12 GMT
I like it and don't have an issue with rematches. Personally, I wish the other leagues would drop divisions match their top two. "top two " based on what " ? Conference records |
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Post by Bevo on Oct 30, 2017 1:58:16 GMT
The BEST way for Big 12 teams to get to the CFP is to be undefeated. A 12-0 team is not likely to get left out. Adding this game makes more likely that NO TEAM from the Big 12 every goes undefeated. It's a dumb idea, and it makes a MOCKERY of the regular season. Imagine, you go through the season undefeated, then you have to play a rematch against a team you've already beaten, and lose? Now what? Who's the Champ? I'd rather sit, wait... and let other Conferences upset their way out. The SEC, ACC, BIG10 have been to the playoffs every year. There's only been THREE years... and, the Big 12 was in 1. Would have been 2, if the League could have properly named a Champion. TCU missed the first year ONLY due to two of the WORST referee calls you will ever see, in the 4th quarter of their game against Baylor. There's a lot of variability in this.. and, the Big 12 is a weak conference. Frankly, I REALLY don't care about what helps or hurts our chances of getting to the CFP. I expect it will be a wash: ie... sometimes helping, sometimes hurting. What I care about is: What is FAIR??? Ideally, we should have a CCG ONLY in years when there is a tie at the top. But, that is a logistic problem for the people trying to sell seats. |
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Post by Hero on Oct 30, 2017 9:37:07 GMT
The SEC, ACC, BIG10 have been to the playoffs every year. There's only been THREE years... and, the Big 12 was in 1. Would have been 2, if the League could have properly named a Champion. TCU missed the first year ONLY due to two of the WORST referee calls you will ever see, in the 4th quarter of their game against Baylor. There's a lot of variability in this.. and, the Big 12 is a weak conference. Frankly, I REALLY don't care about what helps or hurts our chances of getting to the CFP. I expect it will be a wash: ie... sometimes helping, sometimes hurting. What I care about is: What is FAIR??? Ideally, we should have a CCG ONLY in years when there is a tie at the top. But, that is a logistic problem for the people trying to sell seats. I'm sure you recall I have been a critic of the BIG12 leadership for many years. They have repeatedly found a way to take the fine production of the member schools and piss all over it. They found a way to turn a conference with three schools in the top three into a conference ripe for raids by other conferences. PissPoorPerformance by the leadership of the BIG12 will eventually be a problem for you and the school you love. I don't have a dog in this fight and am only looking at the big picture. Maybe the sample size is too small but the trend is clear, every other conference is doing a better job of getting teams in the CFP than The BIG12. The members of The BIG12 deserve better. The leadership of The BIG12 deserves a boot in the @$$. |
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Post by Bevo on Oct 30, 2017 13:18:23 GMT
I'm sure you recall I have been a critic of the BIG12 leadership for many years. They have repeatedly found a way to take the fine production of the member schools and piss all over it. They found a way to turn a conference with three schools in the top three into a conference ripe for raids by other conferences. PissPoorPerformance by the leadership of the BIG12 will eventually be a problem for you and the school you love. I don't have a dog in this fight and am only looking at the big picture. Maybe the sample size is too small but the trend is clear, every other conference is doing a better job of getting teams in the CFP than The BIG12. The members of The BIG12 deserve better. The leadership of The BIG12 deserves a boot in the @$$. Past leadership has been terrible, no doubt. And, to me... this CCG game shows they continue to have no clue. After the mass exodus, they made what I thought was a rather courageous decision: to forego expansion up to 14 or 16 teams, just for the sake of TV revenue and being able to host a CCG. They would STAY at 10, and play a round robin schedule. It's the ultimate in fairness. Frankly, I cannot stand the unbalanced scheduling in the SEC and Big 10. It drives me NUTS, and I don't understand why ya'll put up with it? But, whatever. I would rather take my chances with the CFP than sacrifice the format of a true round-robin, balanced schedule. CFP's will come, when we have great teams. I can live with that. Eventually, maybe we'll all get merged into some 20-team conference with 2 sides of 10. That would make more sense. Playing a "mulligan game", just to add a 13th game, to me, makes a mockery of the sport. It's a 100% sell-out to the almighty dollar. And, if I haven't made myself clear: I HATE it! |
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 1, 2017 20:47:23 GMT
The SEC, ACC, BIG10 have been to the playoffs every year. There's a lot of variability in this.. and, the Big 12 is a weak conference. Is the Big XII a weak conference? Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, West Virginia, TCU...those are all usually top 25 teams. Kansas State and Texas Tech can rise up at times, and Iowa State is stingy this season. Baylor was tough before their problems...Kansas is the only true bottom feeder You guys should have added schools...even if they turned into bottom feeders. They could inflate the other school's records. It's not like Maryland or Rutgers added any athletic depth to the B1G...they were simply markets. The Big XII had a chance to add a few schools and whiffed. Now the Big XII has a championship game AND a round robin. DERP  |
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Post by bluehen on Nov 2, 2017 14:35:50 GMT
One thing is very factual about the B12 : It's talent density ( based on NFL production ) significantly lags behind the other, so called, P5 leagues.
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Post by doc on Nov 2, 2017 14:41:57 GMT
There's a lot of variability in this.. and, the Big 12 is a weak conference. It's not like Maryland or Rutgers added any athletic depth to the B1G...they were simply markets. The Big XII had a chance to add a few schools and whiffed. Now the Big XII has a championship game AND a round robin. DERP Maryland and Rutgers added something else to the BIG that nobody really thinks about - millions and millions of research dollars. If you don't think that played a role in their addition to the BIG you're greatly mistaken. |
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