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Post by Kentflash_05 on Nov 10, 2017 19:55:30 GMT
I think ,as we've been discussing no matter what Happens the rest of year an 11-1 Notre Dame team could get discussions rolling on an 8 team Playoff. Here is my proposal
8-team Playoff 5-Power 5 Conference Champions 3- At Large's * Power 5 Conference Champions must finish in the top 20 however to earn an automatic birth, otherwise if a 3, or 4 loss team wins the Conference Title game, the At Large's get another birth. 1- Spot for the Little Group of Five guys. On Championship Saturday the highest ranking teams from outside the old BCS conference's play each other for the right to be included in the Playoff, unless both are outside the top 20, in which case another Atarhe can grab a bid. Under my system the Regular Season maintains its importance and no one can really complain about being left out, the tradition of the college football rankings also gets left intact
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 10, 2017 21:58:24 GMT
I think ,as we've been discussing no matter what Happens the rest of year an 11-1 Notre Dame team could get discussions rolling on an 8 team Playoff. Here is my proposal 8-team Playoff 5-Power 5 Conference Champions 3- At Large's * Power 5 Conference Champions must finish in the top 20 however to earn an automatic birth, otherwise if a 3, or 4 loss team wins the Conference Title game, the At Large's get another birth. 1- Spot for the Little Group of Five guys. On Championship Saturday the highest ranking teams from outside the old BCS conference's play each other for the right to be included in the Playoff, unless both are outside the top 20, in which case another Atarhe can grab a bid. Under my system the Regular Season maintains its importance and no one can really complain about being left out, the tradition of the college football rankings also gets left intact You left out the most important factor. In order to be legitimate, any FBS championship must be sanctioned and governed by the NCAA. FBS has 10 conferences, not 5. If conference champions are to be automatic qualifiers, then the field would have to be composed of at least 10 AQ teams, plus one at large for independents. A field of 11 teams requires a 4-week playoff. So does a field of 16 teams: 10 AQs and 6 at-large. Every other NCAA football division has an even larger playoff field. 16 is the magic number of playoff teams for a real FBS national championship. The logic is straightforward and the math is simple. If there is a desire for a real FBS national championship, then a minimum field of 16 teams is required. As long as the playoff is for a mythical championship, any size field would fill the bill.
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Post by Hero on Nov 11, 2017 1:35:25 GMT
I think ,as we've been discussing no matter what Happens the rest of year an 11-1 Notre Dame team could get discussions rolling on an 8 team Playoff. You left out the most important factor. In order to be legitimate, any FBS championship must be sanctioned and governed by the NCAA. No it doesn't
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Post by Hero on Nov 11, 2017 1:36:28 GMT
I think ,as we've been discussing no matter what Happens the rest of year an 11-1 Notre Dame team could get discussions rolling on an 8 team Playoff. Here is my proposal 8-team Playoff 5-Power 5 Conference Champions 3- At Large's * Power 5 Conference Champions must finish in the top 20 however to earn an automatic birth, otherwise if a 3, or 4 loss team wins the Conference Title game, the At Large's get another birth. 1- Spot for the Little Group of Five guys. On Championship Saturday the highest ranking teams from outside the old BCS conference's play each other for the right to be included in the Playoff, unless both are outside the top 20, in which case another Atarhe can grab a bid. Under my system the Regular Season maintains its importance and no one can really complain about being left out, the tradition of the college football rankings also gets left intact I could live with that.
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Post by bluehen on Nov 11, 2017 1:37:15 GMT
I think ,as we've been discussing no matter what Happens the rest of year an 11-1 Notre Dame team could get discussions rolling on an 8 team Playoff. Here is my proposal 8-team Playoff 5-Power 5 Conference Champions 3- At Large's * Power 5 Conference Champions must finish in the top 20 however to earn an automatic birth, otherwise if a 3, or 4 loss team wins the Conference Title game, the At Large's get another birth. 1- Spot for the Little Group of Five guys. On Championship Saturday the highest ranking teams from outside the old BCS conference's play each other for the right to be included in the Playoff, unless both are outside the top 20, in which case another Atarhe can grab a bid. Under my system the Regular Season maintains its importance and no one can really complain about being left out, the tradition of the college football rankings also gets left intact That's a very very common model playoff plan that's been discussed for years..even back in the BCS days.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 11, 2017 21:00:07 GMT
You left out the most important factor. In order to be legitimate, any FBS championship must be sanctioned and governed by the NCAA. No it doesn't FBS is an NCAA D-I subdivision.
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Post by jameshowell on Nov 11, 2017 21:33:29 GMT
Top 20 in what??? There would no longer be a committee and both the writers and coaches polls have bias flaws. Same with highest ranking of the G5. How would you select the at larges?
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Post by Kentflash_05 on Nov 11, 2017 22:33:31 GMT
Top 20 in what??? There would no longer be a committee and both the writers and coaches polls have bias flaws. Same with highest ranking of the G5. How would you select the at larges? Exact same way they come up with the Playoff rankings right now, via a committee, I'm not re-inventing the wheel here, a lot of the systems in place for the Playoff actually work pretty well. College Football's playoff does not need an overall it needs twerking, if you can't make the College Football Playoffs committees top 20 chances are you shouldn't be playing for a national title anyway.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 11, 2017 22:35:40 GMT
Top 20 in what??? There would no longer be a committee and both the writers and coaches polls have bias flaws. Same with highest ranking of the G5. How would you select the at larges? FCS, D-II and D-III football have extensive experience in selecting at large teams, without much controversy. D-I, D-II and D-III basketball also have extensive experience in selecting at large teams, without much controversy. The same goes for many other NCAA sports. I think that the NCAA is perfectly capable of developing a system for selecting 6 at large teams for a 16-team FBS playoff field.
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Post by Hero on Nov 12, 2017 0:09:08 GMT
Top 20 in what??? There would no longer be a committee and both the writers and coaches polls have bias flaws. Same with highest ranking of the G5. How would you select the at larges? FCS, D-II and D-III football have extensive experience in selecting at large teams, without much controversy. D-I, D-II and D-III basketball also have extensive experience in selecting at large teams, without much controversy. The same goes for many other NCAA sports. I think that the NCAA is perfectly capable of developing a system for selecting 6 at large teams for a 16-team FBS playoff field. I think The NCAA has trouble pouring piss out of a boot with directions on the heel.
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Post by FLORIDA HERD FAN on Nov 12, 2017 5:39:57 GMT
Cute.
But, it is a fact that the NCAA has been conducting national championship playoffs for decades in every division and in most sports, and there has rarely been a squawk about the selection process.
Compare that to the controversies that have surrounded the BCS and now the CFP every year.
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 12, 2017 14:26:12 GMT
You left out the most important factor. In order to be legitimate, any FBS championship must be sanctioned and governed by the NCAA. No it doesn't Correct. What Herd left out, IMO, is for it to be an "legitimate NCAA Championship" the NCAA needs to sanction it. The CFP sanctions and governs the CFP National Championship and the team selection process. It's still a legitimate national championship, albeit without the NCAA moniker. Nearly 40,000,000 fans attended FBS games last year (5 million for FCS), many more watched via broadcast and on-line streaming venues. My guess is that the vast majority of those folks don't view the CFP national championship as illegitimate. They may want a larger number of teams included, but don't view it as "mythical". Most probably want the NCAA to stay out of it. Has ESPN ever conducted an interview with the winning coach and said, "so coach [insert name], how does to feel to win a mythical national championship?" Coach [insert name]: Well, you now, I've had a hard time all season trying to motivate these guys since the summer, especially since the title they just earned isn't real." "Getting hurt, bleeding, sweating week after week- it's all part of the mythical season, like it didn't really happen or something." ESPN: "What's next for you coach [insert name]? Coach [insert name]: "i'm going to Denny's to get a grand slam with extra bacon, cause that's not mythical...it's real bacon and eggs...and toast."
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Post by cjhawkeyes on Nov 12, 2017 16:54:23 GMT
Committee is and will always be a bad idea especially with a Top 20 requirement. What if a team is borderline Top 20? Would be very easy for a committee put a team right at 20 or 21 to put them in or keep them out with no actual explanation for the difference.
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Post by Kentflash_05 on Nov 12, 2017 18:20:14 GMT
Committee is and will always be a bad idea especially with a Top 20 requirement. What if a team is borderline Top 20? Would be very easy for a committee put a team right at 20 or 21 to put them in or keep them out with no actual explanation for the difference. If you're in a power 5 Conference and the committee is debating if your a top 20 team, you probably shouldn't be playing for the national title anyway.
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 12, 2017 18:39:14 GMT
Standings are wonderful for the MLB playoffs.
162 games with lots of intersecting data points and many games against other teams.
College football with 12 games, and only one game against a team, not so much.
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