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Post by ajbuckeye on Nov 21, 2017 20:24:10 GMT
According to the selection criteria a non conference champion can be selected over a conference champion if they are unequivocally one of the best 4 teams in the country.
Worst case scenario for tOSU BAMA loses to UGA Miami loses to Clemson Oklahoma wins out
In this case you have Clemson, Oklahoma, and UGA in. There is one spot left for tOSU Wins over 1 loss Wisconsin, 2 loss PSU, 3 loss Michigan St 4 loss Michigan losses 1 loss Oklahoma and 5 loss Iowa Alabama Wins over 3 loss LSU, Auburn, Miss St, 4 loss TAM losses 1 loss UGA Miami Wins over 2 loss ND and 3 loss VT losses 1 loss Clemson
The big question is what carry more weight a conference championship or 1 less loss. Ohio state benefited last season because it had wins over number 6, 7, and 8 and lost to number 5. There is no real clear advantage as tOSU will likely have the better wins when comparing the 3 but will have one more loss in addition to a conference title.
Again according to the committee the non conference teams have to be unequivocally better than the teams that they are comparing. If they can't come to the conclusion that Alabama or Miami accomplished this then it will come down to who has a conference championship as the other tie breakers are out the window.
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Post by rupturedduck on Nov 21, 2017 20:51:53 GMT
Sorry PP,no way jose OSU gets in,too many 1 lost teams ahead of them,be satisfied with the Rose or Fiesta Bowl vs Notre Dame .
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 21, 2017 23:22:43 GMT
According to the selection criteria a non conference champion can be selected over a conference champion if they are unequivocally one of the best 4 teams in the country. Worst case scenario for tOSU BAMA loses to UGA Miami loses to Clemson Oklahoma wins out In this case you have Clemson, Oklahoma, and UGA in. There is one spot left for tOSU Wins over 1 loss Wisconsin, 2 loss PSU, 3 loss Michigan St 4 loss Michigan losses 1 loss Oklahoma and 5 loss Iowa Alabama Wins over 3 loss LSU, Auburn, Miss St, 4 loss TAM losses 1 loss UGA Miami Wins over 2 loss ND and 3 loss VT losses 1 loss Clemson The big question is what carry more weight a conference championship or 1 less loss. Ohio state benefited last season because it had wins over number 6, 7, and 8 and lost to number 5. There is no real clear advantage as tOSU will likely have the better wins when comparing the 3 but will have one more loss in addition to a conference title. Again according to the committee the non conference teams have to be unequivocally better than the teams that they are comparing. If they can't come to the conclusion that Alabama or Miami accomplished this then it will come down to who has a conference championship as the other tie breakers are out the window. Haha, here we go again with the complete irrational ways Ohio State can make the playoffs... In your scenario, I think both Alabama and Miami have better arguments than Ohio State the only way Ohio State gets in is if Alabama and Miami win their conference championship games....Ohio State has a much better chance against a 2-loss Clemson and Georgia than a 1-loss Miami or Bama
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 21, 2017 23:30:52 GMT
Sorry PP,no way jose OSU gets in,too many 1 lost teams ahead of them,be satisfied with the Rose or Fiesta Bowl vs Notre Dame . If Alabama wins out, they claim the SEC and remain the top seed If Miami wins out, they claim the ACC and most likely get the 2nd seed. Ohio State needs Bama and Miami to win Oklahoma losing is highly unlikely... basically Ohio State has a chance, but they need help...things need to roll their way. They are playing good football, but that Iowa loss is U-G-L-Y
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Post by ajbuckeye on Nov 22, 2017 2:10:20 GMT
I know I know my last years assessment was irrational and biased but I also would say that it was dead on. This year it is more of a long shot and again I pointed out the worst case scenario for the Buckeyes.
What if Auburn wins out. It is a foregone conclusion that they are in. There resume would be the following: Auburn Wins 2 loss UGA, 2 loss UGA, 3 Mss St 4 loss TAM Losses 1 loss BAMA 1 loss Clemson
It is better than Ohio States because of the losses but it is not that much better and in this scenario Auburn would get in over 1 loss BAMA.
Again this is worst case scenario for tOSU and it would likely take 2 more convincing wins and some bad performances by BAMA and Miami but it is certainly a possibility.
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Post by kentflash_05 on Nov 22, 2017 3:02:11 GMT
Sorry PP,no way jose OSU gets in,too many 1 lost teams ahead of them,be satisfied with the Rose or Fiesta Bowl vs Notre Dame . I want Auburn, Georgia, or even for the Buckeyes to lose in the Big Ten Title game and face Mississippi State in the Citrus, we've beaten up on Notre Dame before, I'm at the point now I'd rather face someone we don't play that often in a Bowl Game, then to win the Big Ten Title and not make the Playoff if that makes sense lol.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 24, 2017 13:59:06 GMT
I think OSU fans need to start getting a grip: They are NOT going to be in the CFP this year.
There are SIX teams, right now, with zero or only 1 loss. Unless the perfect storm hits, there will still be at least four with zero or 1 loss after all the final games and CCG's are done. NO two loss team is going in over a 0-1 loss team... With the possible exception of Wisconsin, if their 1-loss is 59-0 to Ohio State. And, even that scenario required ALL other bubble teams having 2 losses. HIGHLY unlikely.
I think Bama is IN, right now... no matter what happens. They can't lose two now. At 11-1 or 12-1, they are IN. Might actually be better for them if they lose the Iron Bowl, get the undefeated monkey off their back, and give Saban more time to get them ready. Of course, that's NOT how Champions think. :-)
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Post by Bevo on Nov 24, 2017 14:01:30 GMT
A 1 loss Miami (To Clemson) vs a 2 loss, Conf Champ Ohio State?
Miami SHOULD get in, but... the CFP committee cherishes the OSU fan base, and the ratings they bring. They might well do the wrong thing.
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Post by rupturedduck on Nov 24, 2017 14:43:13 GMT
Bevo,as a long suffering "Longhorn" fan you must have known this,just saw where Texas IS 7-1-1 Alabama.Notre Dame is 5-2 lifetime,HOLY CRAP!!!
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Post by Bevo on Nov 24, 2017 15:25:20 GMT
Bevo,as a long suffering "Longhorn" fan you must have known this,just saw where Texas IS 7-1-1 Alabama.Notre Dame is 5-2 lifetime,HOLY CRAP!!! Yes... I am aware. Bama's only win against us came when they pulled a "MASH", or "Longest Yard" stunt and somehow injected Colt McCoy with some mysterious drug, making his throwing shoulder go numb. It's a fraud that cries out for a Special Prosecutor. It make Mack Brown lose his mind.
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Post by kentflash_05 on Nov 24, 2017 15:48:06 GMT
I think OSU fans need to start getting a grip: They are NOT going to be in the CFP this year. There are SIX teams, right now, with zero or only 1 loss. Unless the perfect storm hits, there will still be at least four with zero or 1 loss after all the final games and CCG's are done. NO two loss team is going in over a 0-1 loss team... With the possible exception of Wisconsin, if their 1-loss is 59-0 to Ohio State. And, even that scenario required ALL other bubble teams having 2 losses. HIGHLY unlikely. I think Bama is IN, right now... no matter what happens. They can't lose two now. At 11-1 or 12-1, they are IN. Might actually be better for them if they lose the Iron Bowl, get the undefeated monkey off their back, and give Saban more time to get them ready. Of course, that's NOT how Champions think. :-) Ohio State is in if Alabama wins out, Miami wins out and Oklahoma wins out.....Bevo that's not just Buckeyes fans saying that........almost all of the College Football Pundits are saying that, and that's not totally out of the realm of possibility. That said I'm a Buckeye fan and Id be kinda conflicted about this team getting, BECAUSE THEY ARE good enough to upset Alabama, and talent wise I don't think it would be all that suprising if they beat Oklahoma or Miami. But theres that loss to Iowa that lingers, a champion doesn't lose that bad to a mediocre IOWA team
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Post by rupturedduck on Nov 24, 2017 16:15:54 GMT
What will be the line on the OSU-Wisconsin game Dec.2.think Whisky will remember 59-0 ?
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Post by Bevo on Nov 24, 2017 17:23:23 GMT
I think OSU fans need to start getting a grip: They are NOT going to be in the CFP this year. There are SIX teams, right now, with zero or only 1 loss. Unless the perfect storm hits, there will still be at least four with zero or 1 loss after all the final games and CCG's are done. NO two loss team is going in over a 0-1 loss team... With the possible exception of Wisconsin, if their 1-loss is 59-0 to Ohio State. And, even that scenario required ALL other bubble teams having 2 losses. HIGHLY unlikely. I think Bama is IN, right now... no matter what happens. They can't lose two now. At 11-1 or 12-1, they are IN. Might actually be better for them if they lose the Iron Bowl, get the undefeated monkey off their back, and give Saban more time to get them ready. Of course, that's NOT how Champions think. :-) Ohio State is in if Alabama wins out, Miami wins out and Oklahoma wins out.....Bevo that's not just Buckeyes fans saying that........almost all of the College Football Pundits are saying that, and that's not totally out of the realm of possibility. That said I'm a Buckeye fan and Id be kinda conflicted about this team getting, BECAUSE THEY ARE good enough to upset Alabama, and talent wise I don't think it would be all that suprising if they beat Oklahoma or Miami. But theres that loss to Iowa that lingers, a champion doesn't lose that bad to a mediocre IOWA team We'll see. I don't think a 2 loss team is going ahead of a 1 loss team. It would have to be extraordinary... And OSU's resume is not.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 24, 2017 18:05:07 GMT
I think it depends on how Miami looks in losing. If they play a great game against Clemson, and barely lose? I think they'll get voted in over OSU.
If it's ugly, and all those things happen? It's between OSU and Notre Dame. OSU would probably win, as they would be a conf champ.
But, I think all of these scenarios are pretty unlikely. More likely, more of these undefeated teams drop a game. If they do, OSU is in trouble.
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 24, 2017 23:56:46 GMT
Ohio State is in if Alabama wins out, Miami wins out and Oklahoma wins out.....Bevo that's not just Buckeyes fans saying that........almost all of the College Football Pundits are saying that, and that's not totally out of the realm of possibility. That said I'm a Buckeye fan and Id be kinda conflicted about this team getting, BECAUSE THEY ARE good enough to upset Alabama, and talent wise I don't think it would be all that suprising if they beat Oklahoma or Miami. But theres that loss to Iowa that lingers, a champion doesn't lose that bad to a mediocre IOWA team We'll see. I don't think a 2 loss team is going ahead of a 1 loss team. It would have to be extraordinary... And OSU's resume is not. Auburn can play their way into the playoffs right now...beat Alabama and beat Georgia and they're in
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