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Post by ajbuckeye on Oct 20, 2015 15:07:59 GMT
Last season the SEC had Ole Miss and Miss St knock off Bama and Auburn early on. Somehow, the SEC was able to promote the Mississippi teams as now being Elite teams because they beat what was considered to be an Elite performance. It wasn't the other way where Bama and Auburn were demoted in stature with losses to perennial bottom feeders. At the end of the season, both Mississippi schools got waxed in their bowl games and the SEC West overall finished 6 - 5 vs OOC P5 teams. If Ohio St and Mich St ended up losing to Rutgers and Indiana, the perception would clearly be that the BIG sucks. There is absolutely no chance that somehow Indiana and Rutgers would be promoted to in the same manner as the Mississippi schools. Now that Ole Miss took one on the chin against Memphis and got waxed against Florida how are they can they possibly be in the top 25? Perception and reality are clearly 2 different things when comparing conferences.
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Post by EvilVodka on Oct 20, 2015 15:19:20 GMT
Last season the SEC had Ole Miss and Miss St knock off Bama and Auburn early on. Somehow, the SEC was able to promote the Mississippi teams as now being Elite teams because they beat what was considered to be an Elite performance. It wasn't the other way where Bama and Auburn were demoted in stature with losses to perennial bottom feeders. At the end of the season, both Mississippi schools got waxed in their bowl games and the SEC West overall finished 6 - 5 vs OOC P5 teams. If Ohio St and Mich St ended up losing to Rutgers and Indiana, the perception would clearly be that the BIG sucks. There is absolutely no chance that somehow Indiana and Rutgers would be promoted to in the same manner as the Mississippi schools. Now that Ole Miss took one on the chin against Memphis and got waxed against Florida how are they can they possibly be in the top 25? Perception and reality are clearly 2 different things when comparing conferences. I think Ole Miss and Miss St. were undefeated last year....and they were playing some really good football. Rutgers and Indiana on the other hand, are now getting their heads beat in by other Big 10 teams...there's no comparison. Iowa on the other hand, is starting to get noticed....they're #12 Ole Miss is #24....they're barely in the top 25 just a bad argument by a sore Big 10 fan you know who else got love for beating Bama? Ohio State  |
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 20, 2015 17:31:07 GMT
Not sure it's a bad argument, but it is certainly frustrating that we continually see an SEC team have a meteoric rise is the polls, only to be offset by a catastrophic fall of another, previously overrated team. That kind of variability is not good, and may be what people perceive to be flaws in the process.
It's too knee-jerk and reactionary, fed by the stupid pre-season polling and then fact that some of these guys don't want to admit they were wrong about a team or teams.
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Post by Hero on Oct 20, 2015 17:57:35 GMT
If polls mattered this would be a big deal.
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 20, 2015 18:30:55 GMT
If polls mattered this would be a big deal. That's a good point.
Just win your games, the rest will take care of itself.
Some talking heads kill me though:
"Baylor is at 2 when they should be ranked 4" or "OKlahoma State is 25 and they really are 22"
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Post by ajbuckeye on Oct 20, 2015 19:27:46 GMT
Last season the SEC had Ole Miss and Miss St knock off Bama and Auburn early on. Somehow, the SEC was able to promote the Mississippi teams as now being Elite teams because they beat what was considered to be an Elite performance. It wasn't the other way where Bama and Auburn were demoted in stature with losses to perennial bottom feeders. At the end of the season, both Mississippi schools got waxed in their bowl games and the SEC West overall finished 6 - 5 vs OOC P5 teams. If Ohio St and Mich St ended up losing to Rutgers and Indiana, the perception would clearly be that the BIG sucks. There is absolutely no chance that somehow Indiana and Rutgers would be promoted to in the same manner as the Mississippi schools. Now that Ole Miss took one on the chin against Memphis and got waxed against Florida how are they can they possibly be in the top 25? Perception and reality are clearly 2 different things when comparing conferences. I think Ole Miss and Miss St. were undefeated last year....and they were playing some really good football. Rutgers and Indiana on the other hand, are now getting their heads beat in by other Big 10 teams...there's no comparison. Iowa on the other hand, is starting to get noticed....they're #12 Ole Miss is #24....they're barely in the top 25 just a bad argument by a sore Big 10 fan you know who else got love for beating Bama? Ohio State Ole Miss and Miss St may have been undefeated last year when they got their big wins but neither of them have a win over a power 5 OOC opponent over the last 2 years. They each won a big game in their conference and next thing we see them in the top 5. On the other hand Indiana and Rutgers have a total of 4 wins over power 5 opponents the last 2 years and one was over the SEC East Champs. Last year the Big 10 East 8 - 6 against power 5 opponents and the SEC West was 6 - 5. Yet somehow instead of stating that maybe the SEC West is a bit down this year as the bottom feeders have can now compete, we hear the argument that every team the SEC West is a legitimate contender that needs to be reckoned with. On the other hand the perception that we hear over an over again is the Big 10 is weak and OSU has a free pass to the playoffs because of their pathetic schedule. There is no bitterness or soreness on my part. Just simply an observation and with a few numbers to back it up. |
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 20, 2015 20:49:46 GMT
My fave right now is some idjut on ESPN U that will put both Alabama and LSU, or both TCU and Baylor, or Both Ohio St and Mich St in their playoff prediction.
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Post by Hero on Oct 20, 2015 21:11:47 GMT
My fave right now is some idjut on ESPN U that will put both Alabama and LSU, or both TCU and Baylor, or Both Ohio St and Mich St in their playoff prediction. That kind of stuff is nuts. |
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Post by Hero on Oct 20, 2015 23:20:14 GMT
If polls mattered this would be a big deal. Some talking heads kill me though:
"Baylor is at 2 when they should be ranked 4" or "OKlahoma State is 25 and they really are 22"
I know exactly what you mean. I spent a little time on Saturday yelling at one of those jerks.  
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Post by bluehen on Oct 21, 2015 0:29:37 GMT
The double standard regarding SEC teams is common knowledge in the mythical system
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Post by Hero on Oct 21, 2015 0:38:04 GMT
The double standard regarding SEC teams is common knowledge in the mythical system What mythical system? |
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Post by ajbuckeye on Oct 21, 2015 3:06:58 GMT
If polls mattered this would be a big deal. In the BCS days polls were a big deal. Not so much now with the playoff system. However last year during playoff rankings I thought we had 3 SEC teams in the top 4 at one point. Clearly perception plays a role early on. The only question is how does perception have an impact when making that final selection. |
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Post by Hero on Oct 21, 2015 4:43:37 GMT
If polls mattered this would be a big deal. In the BCS days polls were a big deal. Not so much now with the playoff system. However last year during playoff rankings I thought we had 3 SEC teams in the top 4 at one point. Clearly perception plays a role early on. The only question is how does perception have an impact when making that final selection. We could all pick a point we don't agree with and judge from there. I think the only fair way to judge the work of the committee is the choice of playoff teams. Everything else(the weekly committee picks) is just made for TV crap.
Early perception has no more meaning than the polls do now.
Last year the early perception had OSU outside the top 15. Clearly, the early perception did not determine the playoff teams.
I think SOS should play a larger role(as you have rightly cited the Mississippi teams playing weak schedules) but my opinion is not the consensus...and never was to wit Boise's lofty ranking a few years ago having played a pitiful schedule. |
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 21, 2015 13:01:15 GMT
The double standard regarding SEC teams is common knowledge in the mythical system What mythical system? The SEC is so full of big schools with hordes fans, if no SEC school made the playoff, that there would be a revolt— possibly even an overthrow of the US government...at least a blockade of 285 around Hotlanta. |
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 21, 2015 13:09:59 GMT
In the BCS days polls were a big deal. Not so much now with the playoff system. However last year during playoff rankings I thought we had 3 SEC teams in the top 4 at one point. Clearly perception plays a role early on. The only question is how does perception have an impact when making that final selection. We could all pick a point we don't agree with and judge from there. I think the only fair way to judge the work of the committee is the choice of playoff teams. Everything else(the weekly committee picks) is just made for TV crap.
Early perception has no more meaning than the polls do now.
Last year the early perception had OSU outside the top 15. Clearly, the early perception did not determine the playoff teams.
I think SOS should play a larger role(as you have rightly cited the Mississippi teams playing weak schedules) but my opinion is not the consensus...and never was to wit Boise's lofty ranking a few years ago having played a pitiful schedule. I see your point.
Seems a little like the old Boise State teams.
Same with Clemson - go 13-0 and make the playoff - but the truth would be, we only faced two top 25 teams all year.
Or Bama...right now, Bama is on track to play 3 ranked teams total this year and even if they win out, would only have 2 ranked wins. Wisky and UGA have fallen out, and their lone loss may be to an unranked team if Ole Miss continues to unravel.
Clemson only played 2 teams worth a crap in 1981, UGA and UNC, before the bowl game.
You should not apologize for the schedule, any more than Ohio State should for last year when the Big 10 sucked monkey balls outside of Michigan State and partially Wisconsin. All you can do is win the games.
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