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Post by Bevo on Jul 1, 2018 14:31:36 GMT
Ok. The 70’s:
103 to 73
It’s not even close: Bear wins
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Post by bluehen on Jul 2, 2018 20:54:38 GMT
Ok. The 70’s: 103 to 73 It’s not even close: Bear wins Bear was very close to Switzer...but the facts clearly show that Barry was more difficult to beat in the 70s than Bear was.
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Post by bluehen on Jul 3, 2018 12:20:36 GMT
Here you go Bevo, buddy. The ten most DIFFICULT TO BEAT head coaches in 'major/FBS level' CF history : 1) Knute Rockne (lost 11.9% of his games ) 2) Frank Leahy (lost 13.6% of his games) 3) Urban Meyer (lost 14.9% of his games) 4) George Woodruff ( lost 15.4% of his games ) 5) Barry Switzer (lost 16.3% of his games) 6) Tom Osborne (lost 16.4% of his games) 7) Fielding Yost ( lost 16.7% of his games) 8) Percy Haughton (lost 16.8 % of his games) 9) Bob Neyland (lost 17.1% of his games) 10) Bud Wilkinson (lost 17.4% of his games ) ...and some other 'big name' notables : Chris Petersen lost 18.4% of the time Bob Devaney lost 19.4% of the time Bob Stoops lost 20.2% of the time Nick Saban lost 21.9% of time Bear Bryant lost 22% of the time Bo Schembechler lost 22.5% of the time Dabo Swinney lost 22.9% of the time Woody Hayes lost 24% of the time Joe Paterno lost 25% of the time
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Post by Bevo on Jul 3, 2018 15:06:03 GMT
That's YOUR measure, Hen.... It's not the Only measure. None of those great coaches suffered through a stint at Kentucky.
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Post by Bevo on Jul 3, 2018 15:06:48 GMT
Ok. The 70’s: 103 to 73 It’s not even close: Bear wins Bear was very close to Switzer...but the facts clearly show that Barry was more difficult to beat in the 70s than Bear was. The facts clearly show that Bear WON the most games in the 70's... by a LOT.
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Post by bluehen on Jul 3, 2018 19:19:53 GMT
Bear was very close to Switzer...but the facts clearly show that Barry was more difficult to beat in the 70s than Bear was. The facts clearly show that Bear WON the most games in the 70's... by a LOT.
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Post by bluehen on Jul 3, 2018 19:27:57 GMT
The facts clearly show that Bear WON the most games in the 70's... by a LOT.
Common knowledge, Bevo, common knowledge...but he wasn't the most difficult coach to beat in the 70s.
My best fishing buddy is a retired math teacher. I asked him which was greater (.902 or .863 ) . He said .902 was the greater number. Guess which one is Bryant's success rate and which is Switzer's in the 70s.
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Post by bluehen on Jul 3, 2018 19:41:55 GMT
That's YOUR measure, Hen.... It's not the Only measure. None of those great coaches suffered through a stint at Kentucky. Actually Bryant didn't suffer all that much at Kentucky, winning 70% of the time. Texas A&M would've been a more astute example (.634)
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Post by Bevo on Jul 4, 2018 20:10:09 GMT
A&M and Kentucky are both places that can hurt your average. Switzer ONLY coached at OU, a national powerhouse for decades.
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Post by bluehen on Jul 4, 2018 20:23:53 GMT
A&M and Kentucky are both places that can hurt your average. Switzer ONLY coached at OU, a national powerhouse for decades.Definitely a national power from the late 40s- early 60s, ( the era of the legendary Bud Wilkinson) but before Chuck Fairbanks came along in 1967 OU went through a couple of coaches that posted a 15-15-1 combined record from 64-66.Hey Bevo, hope you and family are having a great 4th.
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Post by Bevo on Jul 5, 2018 15:55:27 GMT
.Hey Bevo, hope you and family are having a great 4th. Well, I think the family had a good time.. I've been stuck here in Frankfurt, Germany all week for a "training class"! Can you imagine that? This stupid company still thinks I'm trainable. BAHAHAHAHA!!
The Numbers I have for Bear and Barry in the 70's are the following:
Bear: 103-16-1 for a WIN% of 85.8%
Barry: 73-7-2 for a WIN% of 89.0%
Both are pretty spectacular. Barry's claim to being the "Most Dominant" is marred by the fact that, he DIDN'T COACH the entire 10 years of the 70's... only 7. Everyone knows, it's easier to keep a high Win% if your sample size is smaller.
That's why, I looked at Barry's "first 10 years" and compared that to Bear's ... in that stretch, Barry was 98-17-3, for win% of 83.1%
Another data point: Barry coach THREE 11 win seasons in the 70's. Bear coached SIX 11 win seasons, and one TWELVE win season.
If you take out the one bad year (1970, 6-5-1) Bear had a win% of 89.8%... HIGHER than Barry... even with two more seasons being counted.
Outside of 1970 (when Barry wasn't even coaching) Bear was better ANY way you want to measure it.
As you noted, Barry took the reins from Chuck Fairbanks, who was a pretty darn good coach himself and had re-built the OU football program. The Year before Barry took over, OU won the Big 8 and defeated Penn State in their bowl. Two years before, OU was 11-1. They ended the season #2 in the country.
Bottom Line: Barry stepped into a GREAT program.
Doesn't take anything away from him. He was a fantastic football coach, despite being a complete ASS as a human being. (I just say that cause he was a Sooner, AND a Cowboy.. the two worst things in the world. ) He maintained their excellence over a long period of time.
But, to me, it takes a bit of shine off his sterling Win% record. Bear deserves more credit, since he maintained a VERY high record over a VERY LONG period of time, including stints at two schools who rarely ever won. THAT, is harder to do... IMO.
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Post by bluehen on Jul 6, 2018 0:06:25 GMT
I have the same #s but 103-16-1 actually computes to .863 for Bear ( a tie being 1/2 win, 1/2 loss in figuring sports winning percentages). what math did you use ?
Switzer's 73-7-2 actually computes to .902
So Bear won more ( and coached more) for sure but Barry was a little more difficult to beat in the 70s.
They were both great ( and sleazy ) Switzer was really WAAC sleazy with all those thugs he suited up...but know what ? ...after reading his auto-bio " Bootleggers Boy" I gained a bit more compassion for
the man. He came from absolutely nothing with a dysfunctional family.. For example his mother kills herself as young Barry watched !
Anyway Switzer has the 5th highest career success rate in history among so called FBS/majors Bryant has the 19th highest career success rate......and agree, coaching at one school can be an advantage .
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Post by Bevo on Jul 6, 2018 7:56:37 GMT
Ah yes, I thought the math might be the difference, I counted ties as a loss. Only wins in win% in Bevo logic. :-)
As I was reviewing the numbers, the stat that really stood out to me was: the number of 11+ win seasons. You're asking: Who was the most Dominant Coach in that one specific decade, the 1970's. In that period, Bear's teams had SIX 11 win seasons and one 12 win season. That 7 out of 10 years at 11+ wins!! Barry's teams just had 3.
If you're living through that time (as we both did) you can't help but see that Bama was the dominant team of that era. Bama had the one bad year, 1970, where they were only 6-5-1. Then Bear switched to the wishbone, and for the rest of the decade, they were better than ANYONE..... Even OU.
It's not really all that close.
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Post by bluehen on Jul 6, 2018 12:52:29 GMT
Comparing teams and coaches in this instance are a bit different, Bevo, since Switzer only coached 7 of OU's seasons in the 70's Comparing coaches only (1970's) """""""""""""""""""""" Switzer lost 9.8% of the time he took the field Bryant lost 13.7 % of the time he took the field Switzer was clearly more difficult to beat than Bryant in the 1970s. Comparing the teams in the 1970s """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Oklahoma (Fairbanks/Switzer) lost 12% of the games it played.....(102-13-2 ,.880) Alabama lost 13.7% of the games it played....(103-16-1, .863) Oklahoma was a little more difficult to beat than Alabama in the 1970s ..and Bevo, some other 70s factoids you might consider before buying SEC myth # 47D : Alabama only won half its PSEGs in the 70s ( 5 out of 10) Oklahoma won 3/4 of its PSEGs in the 70s (6 out of 8) Oklahoma was 3-0-1 vs SEC teams in the 70s (.875 success rate) Alabama was 2-3-1 vs Big8 teams in the 70s (.417 success rate )
Also, Bevo, regarding your 11 win season thing. OU had 6 of them in the 70s, just like Bama, and if the Sooners were allowed to play in PSEGs in 73 & 74 (probation) they may have had 7 plus a 12 win season Who knows ?...because they were clearly stronger in the post season than Bama for that decade.
This is why The NCAA records book states that Oklahoma was CF's dominant team of the 1970s, not Alabama (2nd most dominant).
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Post by Bevo on Jul 6, 2018 19:02:02 GMT
First of all, let me say this: Why is the NCAA even listing "most dominant" teams of a decade? That's not a "record"... it's purely subjective. They have NO BUSINESS even listing such a thing.
Hell, the NCAA is so freaking incompetent, I can't even go to their website to check what you say. They couldn't figure out how to make their website compliant with new European privacy rules. So, NO ONE in Europe can even go to their website. What a bunch of morons.
Second.. Bama won THREE NC's in the 70's, OU only won 2. (LOL I KNOW you'll love that stat).
As for the bowl record, As you mention, OU didn't even play 10 games, only 8. They missed 2 due to CHEATING.
Of the 10 that Bama played, they lost one big to one of the greatest Nebraska teams ever... then, they lost three games by a total of 7 points... then, finished the decade winning FIVE IN A ROW. OU couldn't win five in a row.
But, back the original topic, about which coach was the "Most Dominating" in the 70's.
Bear Bryant had SEVEN 11+ win seasons Barry Switzer had FOUR 11 win season.
Heck, even if you just compare the years that Barry Coached:
Bear had 6 out of 7 11+ win seasons Barry had 4 out of 7
Bama ROCKED The 70's...Bear won FAR more games than Barry in the 70's... Bama was the best team, and Bear was the best coach. That's when Bama became my #2 team behind Texas.
The NCAA can suck balls. Just further proof of their unfathomable incompetence.
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