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Post by EvilVodka on Jun 20, 2019 20:16:02 GMT
Yet, Michigan shuts 'em out and locks in a final four slot. Does any sucker who buys this BCS/CFP championship fraud for CF think Michigan would ever,ever have been 'VOTED' into a final four if Baseball used such a bullshit mythical system ? Competition decides final fours, not conference room beauty contests.
No... In football, no team is going to slog through a moderately successful season, and then be voted into a semi-final. And, I'm FINE with that.
Football doesn't have a BLOATED field like baseball or basketball. They can't. There's just not enough room in the schedule for teams that only play once per week.
For fairness sake, Baseball and Basketball SHOULDN'T have such bloated fields. But, the NCAA doesn't care about fairness, they just want $$$$.
The current football system is not mythical bullshit. It's real teams playing real schedules, trying to get into a very limited playoff field. Followed by very real semi-finals and a Championship game.
The fact that YOU don't like it, doesn't make it mythical.
The NCAA baseball tourney is a beautiful thing. IMO, it's the perfect playoff for that sport the basketball tourney is super bloated, but it's so popular, I don't think they'll ever change it. Why can't we at least get a series for the final four? the college football system is a joke...it's way better than it was, but it could be so much better. The bowl system with all the stupid conferences is outdated and pretty boring now
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Post by Bevo on Jun 20, 2019 20:32:28 GMT
No... In football, no team is going to slog through a moderately successful season, and then be voted into a semi-final. And, I'm FINE with that.
Football doesn't have a BLOATED field like baseball or basketball. They can't. There's just not enough room in the schedule for teams that only play once per week.
For fairness sake, Baseball and Basketball SHOULDN'T have such bloated fields. But, the NCAA doesn't care about fairness, they just want $$$$.
The current football system is not mythical bullshit. It's real teams playing real schedules, trying to get into a very limited playoff field. Followed by very real semi-finals and a Championship game.
The fact that YOU don't like it, doesn't make it mythical.
The NCAA baseball tourney is a beautiful thing. IMO, it's the perfect playoff for that sport the basketball tourney is super bloated, but it's so popular, I don't think they'll ever change it. Why can't we at least get a series for the final four? the college football system is a joke...it's way better than it was, but it could be so much better. The bowl system with all the stupid conferences is outdated and pretty boring now
I love the format of the CWS. But, the regionals and super-regionals, IMO, are FAR too complicated, unfair, and open the door to too many teams.
BB tourney is WAY too big, but.... it generates mega cash. So, no chance they will ever reduce it. $$$ trumps fairness.
Football could be better. But, as you say... it's a LOT better than it used to be. Maybe, one day.. they'll expand to 8. Or, move to balanced schedules and an objective selection system? That would be an improvement. And, maybe they'll split the BCS into two Divisions. THAT, is what is really needed.
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Post by bluehen on Jun 21, 2019 1:38:23 GMT
You don't realize, Bevo, that your mis- perception of 'bloatedness' is actually determined by the number of D1 Leagues and their champions out there. Since NCAA team championships are inclusive and for all of D1 the field has to include about 30 + teams just to accommodate these champions. and when you add in some worthy 'at large' teams you get a big inclusive field. There is no conference room committee that tells 75 % of the division champions that 'you're not worthy to compete'.
Can you name all the D1 Baseball and basketball playing leagues ? They all are allowed to compete......the polar opposite of the BCS and CFP invitational events reserved only for a few leagues and a handful of very TV friendly teams. ...one of the defining elements of the exhibition division( vs the 3 actual championship divisions of CF )
There is a reason for the 'B' in FBS rather than a 'C'
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Post by bluehen on Jun 21, 2019 3:40:45 GMT
What a game ! ...and the parade of SEC teams out of Omaha continues.
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Post by Bevo on Jun 21, 2019 12:52:47 GMT
You don't realize, Bevo, that your mis- perception of 'bloatedness' is actually determined by the number of D1 Leagues and their champions out there. I 100% DO realize that Hen... and, that's why I want them to separate the post-season into two Divisions that are competitive.
You do understand the actual purpose of having Divisions at all don't you?
The NCAA Basketball tourney, in it's effort to be "inclusive" of ALL conferences, invites 30+ teams that see the invitation alone as their BOWL game. They pray to win even one game, but know it's very unlikely. It's all for show, and for TV revenue... I get that. And, Lord knows... they NEED to money. Since they're so damned inefficient everywhere else.
The BCS Division of football currently has two, VERY CLEAR Divisions. I'm fine for them to play games against each other in the regular season. But I strongly believe the G5 conference teams would be better served by having their own post-season tourney. That way, teams with would be able to compete against other teams that have much closer levels of resources. Not equal, but.. MUCH closer. It would be fair, more exciting, and I think would draw interest.
I view them as "Bloated" by looking at the number of teams that actually have a rat's ass chance of competing.
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Post by EvilVodka on Jun 22, 2019 1:16:16 GMT
Well TTUN is in the champ game...they are 2 wins away from a championship
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Post by doc on Jun 22, 2019 11:18:07 GMT
Well TTUN is in the champ game...they are 2 wins away from a championship GO VANDY!!!!!
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Post by bluehen on Jun 22, 2019 17:28:34 GMT
For football, Bevo, I'd prefer just the opposite.......contraction of divisions rather than expansion. A P5 national champ, a G5 national champ, an FCS national champ, a DII national champ and a DIII national champ would give us a klutzy 5 assorted national champions of college football, including 3 NCAA D1 national champions . IMO a reorganizing of all 500 + NCAA football programs into a simple D1, D2 and D3 would be cleaner although ZERO chance of that.
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Post by Bevo on Jun 22, 2019 21:09:45 GMT
IMO a reorganizing of all 500 + NCAA football programs into a simple D1, D2 and D3 would be cleaner although ZERO chance of that. That would be OK with me.. but, G5 teams need to be in D2. They cannot be expected to compete with the P5 conferences, and they should not be allowed to get into a limited playoff format after playing a significantly less competitive regular season.
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Post by Bevo on Jun 22, 2019 21:29:06 GMT
Ya left out a few key details in there, AJ.
As usual.
Things like:
Auburn HAD a fair chance to be in the CFP. They lost. The 14-0 team that beat them played NO ONE all year, before the CFP. Oh.. and, BTW, they were NOT 14-0, they were 13-0. They missed a game during the season. A miss that might well have helped them get in the CFP.
You are correct in the 13 - 0 however I think you clearly overlooked a few details as well.
Vs the committees own top 25 during the selection process UCF Beat #20 2 times Alabama best #17 and #23 and lost to #7. Then you have an undefeated UCF who won their conference championship vs a 1 loss Alabama that did not even qualify for the conference championship game. As part of the committees standards conference championships are suppose to matter.
All things being considered, the fact that UCF went undefeated and beat Auburn who gave UGA and BAMA there only loss should leave doubts in everybodys mind on if this was mythical or not.
Did I leave out any facts this time.
You did better on your facts this time.... Bama played four teams that were ranked at the time they played them.. including, #3 FSU. Playing against Bama has a way of knocking teams OUT of rankings. Does anyone have any doubt that the PUMMELING Bama put on Florida State to start the season hastened the Seminoles demise? At the time the CFP decisions were made, UCF's resume was CLEARLY not in the same league as Bama. Their SOS was lower... quite a bit lower. They'd played the same number of games. After being #1 ALL YEAR, Bama had one loss, on the road, against a good Auburn team.... a team that was playing at FULL STRENGTH, with title hopes in-tact. Everyone knew Bama had super-talented team. And, they proved it in the CFP. I'm sympathetic to the plight of G5 teams trying to fight against the bias in the voting. (And yes, I agree there is bias) As long as the field is limited to 4, they have to REALLY have everything fall perfectly. Missing that game against Georgia Tech just killed ANY chance UCF had. It would have been interesting to see them in a larger field. But, we didn't have a larger field. We only had 4. UCF didn't do enough to get in the dance. They did all they could, with the schedule they had. It still wasn't enough. Their absence (to me) doesn't diminish Bama's accomplishment, or make it any less real.
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