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Post by ajbuckeye on Oct 30, 2019 2:55:22 GMT
Here is pretty much the final results of the OOC schedule with the exception of the annual beatdown of the SEC in 3 weeks.
OOC vP5 vP7 vG5 vFCS BIG (33-8) (4-5) (11-7) (25-3) (4-0) B12 (24-6) (6-4) (8-5) (9-2) (9-0) SEC (31-11) (5-5) (7-8) (16-6) (10-0) P12 (24-11) (5-3) (10-9) (11-7) (8-0) ACC (30-12) (3-6) (7-8) (16-6) (11-1)
AAC (33-13) (6-12) (9-12) (17-1) (10-1) MWC (28-17) (9-9) (9-10) (7-7) (12-0)
Current AP Top 25 Undefeated teams #1 LSU Beat #6 Florida, #11 Auburn #2 Bama No top 25 wins #3 tOSU Beat #17 Wisky #18 Cinty #4 Clemson No top 25 Wins #5 PSU Beat #14 ttun #19 Iowa #12 Baylor Beat #22 KSU #13 Minn No top 25 wins #15 SMU no top 25 wins
#20 Appy St No top 25 wins
I was on travel and actually violated my own rule and watch the ESPN college football show. Joey Galloway actually had Clemson #1 and tOSU #4??? He is drinking some koolaid for sure. Then I hear the committee member actually say that the eyeball test is one of the primary tools they use to determine who's in the MCFP??? The problem with the eyeball test is the preseason pools determine who is good ad who is not. LSU beat Texas on the road the first game of the season and that game is still fresh in everyone's head even though they are outside of the top 25. Now that LSU and BAMA are 1 and 2. If this turns out to be a great slugfest then the loser likely stays in the top 4. The eyeball test has everyting to do with who the eyeballs are on which are the teams at the top of the polls. Teams like Baylor and Minnesota have not even gotten a look because of where they started. This is why I will always view this as the MCFP
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Post by ajbuckeye on Oct 30, 2019 3:06:19 GMT
One other thought The mratings composite which I think is probably the most accureate as it compiles all of the polls has the following top five: #1 tOSU #2 LSU #3 Clemson #4 PSU #5 Bama
This is very significant considering the loser of thePSU\OSU and LSU\Bama game has a good shot to get in asssuming they win out. Based on the bias from previous years it is a safe bet the nominee goes to the SEC
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Post by EvilVodka on Oct 30, 2019 11:30:08 GMT
Galloway says that the defending champ should remain #1 until someone beats them...I can understand the logic in that
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Post by doc on Oct 30, 2019 12:57:10 GMT
I really think the criteria changes from year to year but I don't see how LSU and OSU wouldn't be #1 and #2 if the guy says the eyeball test is a huge factor. Ohio State is beating teams by an average score of 49-8 and none of their games have been in question heading into the 4th quarter. LSU probably has the 'best' wins beating Auburn and Florida but neither of those teams have dynamic offenses. Still, the LSU offense was able to put up good numbers against very solid defenses.
I think it comes down to the winners of the LSU/Alabama game and PSU/OSU game should be in good shape. Clemson is in. PAC 12 needs Oregon or Utah to wind up with 1 loss to be considered. Oklahoma needs some help.
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 30, 2019 13:37:36 GMT
Galloway says that the defending champ should remain #1 until someone beats them...I can understand the logic in that Dabo says we are not defending anything - last years title is last year This years title is all new.
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Post by tigercpa on Oct 30, 2019 13:39:06 GMT
Clemson is the only team in the top 4 offense and defense.
“Bad” Trevor is ahead of “bad” DeShaun (2016) thru 8 games
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Post by doc on Oct 30, 2019 15:29:33 GMT
OSU #1 scoring defense, #3 scoring offense. Top 8 in total offense and defense.
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Post by bluehen on Oct 30, 2019 17:54:22 GMT
Here is pretty much the final results of the OOC schedule with the exception of the annual beatdown of the SEC in 3 weeks.
OOC vP5 vP7 vG5 vFCS BIG (33-8) (4-5) (11-7) (25-3) (4-0) B12 (24-6) (6-4) (8-5) (9-2) (9-0) SEC (31-11) (5-5) (7-8) (16-6) (10-0) P12 (24-11) (5-3) (10-9) (11-7) (8-0) ACC (30-12) (3-6) (7-8) (16-6) (11-1)
AAC (33-13) (6-12) (9-12) (17-1) (10-1) MWC (28-17) (9-9) (9-10) (7-7) (12-0)
Current AP Top 25 Undefeated teams #1 LSU Beat #6 Florida, #11 Auburn #2 Bama No top 25 wins #3 tOSU Beat #17 Wisky #18 Cinty #4 Clemson No top 25 Wins #5 PSU Beat #14 ttun #19 Iowa #12 Baylor Beat #22 KSU #13 Minn No top 25 wins #15 SMU no top 25 wins
#20 Appy St No top 25 wins
I was on travel and actually violated my own rule and watch the ESPN college football show. Joey Galloway actually had Clemson #1 and tOSU #4??? He is drinking some koolaid for sure. Then I hear the committee member actually say that the eyeball test is one of the primary tools they use to determine who's in the MCFP??? The problem with the eyeball test is the preseason pools determine who is good ad who is not. LSU beat Texas on the road the first game of the season and that game is still fresh in everyone's head even though they are outside of the top 25. Now that LSU and BAMA are 1 and 2. If this turns out to be a great slugfest then the loser likely stays in the top 4. The eyeball test has everyting to do with who the eyeballs are on which are the teams at the top of the polls. Teams like Baylor and Minnesota have not even gotten a look because of where they started. This is why I will always view this as the MCFP
Of course this 'invitational' event is nothing more than a MCFP, AJ . Good points. It continues to amaze me how the Cartel can successfully sell this event as some kind of legitimate national championship. " A five minute conversation with the average, casual college football fan" I guess. An Alabama could show zero wins over a top 50 team and still be appointed to the top of the rankings based on this goofy 'eyeball ' stuff along with other non earned criteria.
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Post by Bevo on Oct 30, 2019 19:28:05 GMT
Oh.. so now, Beating Texas on opening weekend, in Austin, means nothings... because Texas is not in the Top 25 anymore? See.. that's the kind of crap that drives me crazy.
In Week 1, Texas still believed. We were FIRED UP, playing in front of a huge home crowd. Since that time, we've lost SIX players to injury, JUST in the defensive secondary. Yea, that's right.. we're now staring two guys that were 3rd stringers on Week 1. The Texas team on the field against TCU was nothing like the team that played against LSU.
That was a significant win, WHEN they accomplished it. That's why, rankings AT THE TIME OF THE WIN do matter. You have to look a little deeper at the reasons why a team sinks during the season. That's what computers kind of suck at.
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Post by Bevo on Oct 30, 2019 19:29:20 GMT
I don't want a 5 minute conversation with anyone who thinks the CFP is 'mythical'. It's awesome. And, DAMNED HARD to win.
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Post by doc on Oct 30, 2019 22:40:32 GMT
Oh.. so now, Beating Texas on opening weekend, in Austin, means nothings... because Texas is not in the Top 25 anymore? See.. that's the kind of crap that drives me crazy. In Week 1, Texas still believed. We were FIRED UP, playing in front of a huge home crowd. Since that time, we've lost SIX players to injury, JUST in the defensive secondary. Yea, that's right.. we're now staring two guys that were 3rd stringers on Week 1. The Texas team on the field against TCU was nothing like the team that played against LSU. That was a significant win, WHEN they accomplished it. That's why, rankings AT THE TIME OF THE WIN do matter. You have to look a little deeper at the reasons why a team sinks during the season. That's what computers kind of suck at. I agree, the hardest loss to pin on a team is the first one. With each additional loss the will not to lose lessens. LSU over Texas in Austin is a solid win.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Oct 31, 2019 1:16:21 GMT
Galloway says that the defending champ should remain #1 until someone beats them...I can understand the logic in that That's because Galloway is an idiot. He fits right in with that crowd.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Oct 31, 2019 1:23:20 GMT
Oh.. so now, Beating Texas on opening weekend, in Austin, means nothings... because Texas is not in the Top 25 anymore? See.. that's the kind of crap that drives me crazy. In Week 1, Texas still believed. We were FIRED UP, playing in front of a huge home crowd. Since that time, we've lost SIX players to injury, JUST in the defensive secondary. Yea, that's right.. we're now staring two guys that were 3rd stringers on Week 1. The Texas team on the field against TCU was nothing like the team that played against LSU. That was a significant win, WHEN they accomplished it. That's why, rankings AT THE TIME OF THE WIN do matter. You have to look a little deeper at the reasons why a team sinks during the season. That's what computers kind of suck at. I agree, the hardest loss to pin on a team is the first one. With each additional loss the will not to lose lessens. LSU over Texas in Austin is a solid win. That may be so when you are 5 or 6 games into the season but opening the first weekend is a little different. I thought Texas was poised to make a run this year but to date they have simply not been that good. Giving up 48 in win vs KU and then going down against TCU leads me to believe that they are not that good. Yet, during the opening week that game was probably the most hyped and LSU will get a lot of eye test votes but in reality it was a narrow win on the road against an average team in a tough environment. That is why I think the eye test sucks.
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Post by Bevo on Oct 31, 2019 3:01:16 GMT
I agree, the hardest loss to pin on a team is the first one. With each additional loss the will not to lose lessens. LSU over Texas in Austin is a solid win. That may be so when you are 5 or 6 games into the season but opening the first weekend is a little different. I thought Texas was poised to make a run this year but to date they have simply not been that good. Giving up 48 in win vs KU and then going down against TCU leads me to believe that they are not that good. Yet, during the opening week that game was probably the most hyped and LSU will get a lot of eye test votes but in reality it was a narrow win on the road against an average team in a tough environment. That is why I think the eye test sucks. Everyone thought Texas was going to make a run this year. Why wouldn't they? We ended the year strong last year, and returned quite a lot of key players.. Concerning was the high number of losses on defense (5 new starters). Just before the LSU game, we had a run of injuries at the RB position. This, after losing two RB's transfers over the summer. It got so bad, we had to convert a backup QB. NEVER played Rb before. He's been good. Since then: LB- DeGabriel Ford, LB Back Problems, OUT of the season Rob Cummins DL Knee Surgery, OUT indefinitely Marcus Tillman LB MCL, OUT for season Josh Thompson DB Broken foot, Out till early Dec Jeff McCulloch LB Broken Collarbone, Out Indefinitely Chris Brown DB Broken Forearm, Out 6 weeks. Caden Stearns DB Knee injury, Out indefinitely BJ Foster SS Mutiple games missed, played with injuries in other weeks Demavarion Overshown DB Kneck strain... May be back this week, out since Sept I didn't bother to list the FOUR RB's that are all out for the season, or three WR's that have missed time, or Sam Ehlinger playing (poorly) last week with an injured shoulder. Sometimes... (Most of the time, I think)… we learn more about the quality of a win or loss as the season progresses. When OSU crushed Cincinnati badly, people started wondering whether Cincy was any good. Many games later, we can see; Yea, they're pretty good and that WAS an impressive win for Ohio State. Sometimes though, a good win loses it's luster because of injuries, or other problems... Like when Bama took out FSU's Heisman candidate QB. Or, the ridiculous run of injuries Texas has had this year, right where we could LEAST afford it. We're not the same team now that we were Week 1. Not by a LONG shot. LSU DID get a lot of 'eye test votes' that first weekend... and, they deserved them. They haven't done much since to change anyone's mind about them. They're now #1 as a result of their play on the field. Before they get crowned CFP Champions, they're going to have to keep it up against the BEST TEAMS in the country... Including OSU, if the Buckeyes keep winning. Back in the day, good teams might go ALL YEAR without playing ANY other good teams, or.. at most.. ONE at the end. Probably, not even the BEST other team. Some of those titles were definitely Mythical. They were nothing more than opinions. Not anymore. The winner now will HAVE To play against good teams, just to GET to the CFP.. and, they're going to have to face the BEST to win it. There's nothing Mythical about it anymore. Could it be better? I guess. Could it be broader? Sure. But, it's a fair challenge now
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Post by ajbuckeye on Oct 31, 2019 15:51:20 GMT
That may be so when you are 5 or 6 games into the season but opening the first weekend is a little different. I thought Texas was poised to make a run this year but to date they have simply not been that good. Giving up 48 in win vs KU and then going down against TCU leads me to believe that they are not that good. Yet, during the opening week that game was probably the most hyped and LSU will get a lot of eye test votes but in reality it was a narrow win on the road against an average team in a tough environment. That is why I think the eye test sucks. Everyone thought Texas was going to make a run this year. Why wouldn't they? We ended the year strong last year, and returned quite a lot of key players.. Concerning was the high number of losses on defense (5 new starters). Just before the LSU game, we had a run of injuries at the RB position. This, after losing two RB's transfers over the summer. It got so bad, we had to convert a backup QB. NEVER played Rb before. He's been good. Since then: LB- DeGabriel Ford, LB Back Problems, OUT of the season Rob Cummins DL Knee Surgery, OUT indefinitely Marcus Tillman LB MCL, OUT for season Josh Thompson DB Broken foot, Out till early Dec Jeff McCulloch LB Broken Collarbone, Out Indefinitely Chris Brown DB Broken Forearm, Out 6 weeks. Caden Stearns DB Knee injury, Out indefinitely BJ Foster SS Mutiple games missed, played with injuries in other weeks Demavarion Overshown DB Kneck strain... May be back this week, out since Sept I didn't bother to list the FOUR RB's that are all out for the season, or three WR's that have missed time, or Sam Ehlinger playing (poorly) last week with an injured shoulder. Sometimes... (Most of the time, I think)… we learn more about the quality of a win or loss as the season progresses. When OSU crushed Cincinnati badly, people started wondering whether Cincy was any good. Many games later, we can see; Yea, they're pretty good and that WAS an impressive win for Ohio State. Sometimes though, a good win loses it's luster because of injuries, or other problems... Like when Bama took out FSU's Heisman candidate QB. Or, the ridiculous run of injuries Texas has had this year, right where we could LEAST afford it. We're not the same team now that we were Week 1. Not by a LONG shot. LSU DID get a lot of 'eye test votes' that first weekend... and, they deserved them. They haven't done much since to change anyone's mind about them. They're now #1 as a result of their play on the field. Before they get crowned CFP Champions, they're going to have to keep it up against the BEST TEAMS in the country... Including OSU, if the Buckeyes keep winning. Back in the day, good teams might go ALL YEAR without playing ANY other good teams, or.. at most.. ONE at the end. Probably, not even the BEST other team. Some of those titles were definitely Mythical. They were nothing more than opinions. Not anymore. The winner now will HAVE To play against good teams, just to GET to the CFP.. and, they're going to have to face the BEST to win it. There's nothing Mythical about it anymore. Could it be better? I guess. Could it be broader? Sure. But, it's a fair challenge now Wow that is a boat load of injuries on the defensive side of the ball. This may explain some of the issues they have had with their tackling. The porblem with the eyeball tests is that they eyeballs are heavily focused on teams in the top 5 then when time permits teams in the top 10 get a look. Thus far Baylor and Minnesota have gotten no eyeball looks to date. Penn State is starting to get them with OU dropping out. Personally my eyeballs have tOSU in the top spot simply because they have dominated everyone. LSU at #2 because of the schedule they have played although they have had many close games. #BAMA has won games handily for the most part but has looked lethargic at times. PSU is next as the win against ttun looks much much better now. Clemson is number 5 largely becuase they have no significant wins and almost dropped one to UNC. Let's see what the so called experts come up with.
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