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Post by Bevo on Aug 17, 2020 16:50:04 GMT
You said you couldn’t find data for 17-21 year olds, was just going by what you said. 187-45 is the comparative number of deaths from the flu vs covid this year for people under 18 years old. I told you the source for my comments about college age children. Seesm pretty unlikely that 18 is the magic line where Covid becomes more dangerous that this year's flu. For sure, the data suggests the flu season for 2017-2018 was comparable for people in the 18-49 year age group. 2803 flu deaths vs 3208 Covid deaths... through May 30. I assume the Covid deaths are somewhat higher now. www.statista.com/statistics/1127698/influenza-us-deaths-by-age-group/www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6924e2.htm?s_cid=mm6924e2_wBut this data is all the way up to 49 years of age! All the data to date about COVID has shown that younger people are much less seriously affected. Especially, relative to the normal flu. This data shows how fast the Covid deaths increase with age. pbs.twimg.com/media/EeyO0JLX0AAOGXn?format=png&name=mediumDo you remember when we cancelled the entire college football season in the great flu pandemic of 2017-2018? Yea... me neither.
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Post by Aufan on Aug 18, 2020 1:25:02 GMT
You don't have enough data to make that claim for college aged kids, as you pointed out. It is more serious than the flu in the age ranges you have data for, as you pointed out.
Regardless, this is not the flu. Simply comparing this to the flu is short sighted. Only using death rates in short sighted, we have no clue if there are any long term effects. College age people contracting the virus, even if they had 0% chance of getting sick or dying, still increases their chance of spreading it to more susceptible people.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 18, 2020 16:02:15 GMT
The problem with the data is that like politics everyone has an agenda behind the numbers. So they can skew based how they are counted. I heard that one person who died in a car crash found out in the autopsy that they had covid and therefore counted it as a covid death. Ohio does provide some pretty good metrics and it is pretty clear based in this data that college kids are at a minimal risk. When you look at the numbers a total of 2 deaths for ages 0 - 19 with well over 3000 deaths reported. I would say this is very compelling evidence to support Bevo's case. coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/key-metrics/mortality
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Post by Bevo on Aug 18, 2020 16:15:03 GMT
The problem with the data is that like politics everyone has an agenda behind the numbers. So they can skew based how they are counted. I heard that one person who died in a car crash found out in the autopsy that they had covid and therefore counted it as a covid death. Ohio does provide some pretty good metrics and it is pretty clear based in this data that college kids are at a minimal risk. When you look at the numbers a total of 2 deaths for ages 0 - 19 with well over 3000 deaths reported. I would say this is very compelling evidence to support Bevo's case. coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/key-metrics/mortalityThe data is very clear. Some people just want to ignore it. What gets me is: What's the big deal about a bunch of college kids, who are away from home, getting cases of COVID? Half of them will never even know they had it. Another 30% will barely have more than a light cough. A handful might have to spend a night in a hospital. And, in a month, it will largely be OVER on college campuses. By Thanksgiving, they could go back home and not worry about infecting old Uncle Joe.
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Post by Aufan on Aug 18, 2020 16:58:44 GMT
Because these kids come in contact with people that are more susceptible than them. If college kids only interacted with other college kids, then you might have a point.
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Post by Aufan on Aug 18, 2020 17:15:10 GMT
Also, the current statistics are from the time period when schools and colleges were closed. It would be foolish to assume that opening schools and having in person classes won’t cause an increase in deaths in the younger population compared to what we’ve seen with them closed.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 18, 2020 18:36:22 GMT
Also, the current statistics are from the time period when schools and colleges were closed. It would be foolish to assume that opening schools and having in person classes won’t cause an increase in deaths in the younger population compared to what we’ve seen with them closed. Oh yea..... I can see, very clearly on this chart, the EXTREME RISK that prevents college aged kids from venturing out into the world. good grief.... people have become afraid of their own shadows.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 18, 2020 18:51:00 GMT
Also, the current statistics are from the time period when schools and colleges were closed. It would be foolish to assume that opening schools and having in person classes won’t cause an increase in deaths in the younger population compared to what we’ve seen with them closed. Maybe, they could stay away from old people for a month or two? I know that would be an extreme sacrifice. But, it might be preferable to putting your college career on hold.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 18, 2020 20:24:02 GMT
Also, the current statistics are from the time period when schools and colleges were closed. It would be foolish to assume that opening schools and having in person classes won’t cause an increase in deaths in the younger population compared to what we’ve seen with them closed. If you go out to the CDC it clearly indicates the impact on the young is minimal. You are simply providing an opinion of an assumption that it is foolish to assume opening classes will increase the death rates. Not to concrete on your part.
We all have data points that we can point that evolve on a daily bases. Early my family isolated until we got a better understanding of the impact of this virus. Based on the information that I have seen I think it is far more important to get our lives back to the precovid days a quickly as possible. There are many people that have severe financial hardships which is leading to much more drug and alcohol abuse. The primary goal was the flatten the curve which clearly was accomplished. Now we need to protect our elders and the best way I see moving forward is to isolate them as much as we can.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Aug 18, 2020 20:25:39 GMT
Also, the current statistics are from the time period when schools and colleges were closed. It would be foolish to assume that opening schools and having in person classes won’t cause an increase in deaths in the younger population compared to what we’ve seen with them closed. Oh yea..... I can see, very clearly on this chart, the EXTREME RISK that prevents college aged kids from venturing out into the world. good grief.... people have become afraid of their own shadows. Of the 150K+ deaths from covid less than 300 are from ages 0 to 24.
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Post by Aufan on Aug 18, 2020 21:59:02 GMT
Also, the current statistics are from the time period when schools and colleges were closed. It would be foolish to assume that opening schools and having in person classes won’t cause an increase in deaths in the younger population compared to what we’ve seen with them closed. If you go out to the CDC it clearly indicates the impact on the young is minimal. You are simply providing an opinion of an assumption that it is foolish to assume opening classes will increase the death rates. Not to concrete on your part.
We all have data points that we can point that evolve on a daily bases. Early my family isolated until we got a better understanding of the impact of this virus. Based on the information that I have seen I think it is far more important to get our lives back to the precovid days a quickly as possible. There are many people that have severe financial hardships which is leading to much more drug and alcohol abuse. The primary goal was the flatten the curve which clearly was accomplished. Now we need to protect our elders and the best way I see moving forward is to isolate them as much as we can.
I think it is a very fair assumption to say that getting people back in class rooms with increase infections, and thus deaths. This isn't to say the impact on the young has been less on the old, but just how the virus spreads.
If canceling classes/schools didn't make an impact on infections or deaths, then I guess the wrong move was made early on. Should have kept them open.
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Post by aufan on Aug 18, 2020 22:06:28 GMT
Also, the current statistics are from the time period when schools and colleges were closed. It would be foolish to assume that opening schools and having in person classes won’t cause an increase in deaths in the younger population compared to what we’ve seen with them closed. Oh yea..... I can see, very clearly on this chart, the EXTREME RISK that prevents college aged kids from venturing out into the world. good grief.... people have become afraid of their own shadows. I agree some of the risks are overblown. But I was disagreeing that the flu was more of a risk than COVID-19 for some age groups. I don't believe that to be the case.
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Post by Bevo on Aug 18, 2020 23:47:10 GMT
It’s quite clearly true for the 0-18 year age group.
I think it’s pretty obvious that it’s true up to at least 25 years old. Probably a bit higher.
But, the reality is, the risk for those age groups is quite insignificant. 98+% of the people in those age groups that die, do so from something else. There is NO reason children shouldn’t be in school, or college.
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Post by tigercpa on Aug 19, 2020 13:27:45 GMT
Also, the current statistics are from the time period when schools and colleges were closed. It would be foolish to assume that opening schools and having in person classes won’t cause an increase in deaths in the younger population compared to what we’ve seen with them closed. Maybe, they could stay away from old people for a month or two? I know that would be an extreme sacrifice. But, it might be preferable to putting your college career on hold. True. If 300 people under 24 have died of COVID-19 and 98% deaths are people over 55, wouldn’t you think the safest place for college students to be is around other college students at college and not at home with their parents who are likely at or nearing the higher risk categories? Sending them home seems like a great way to spread the virus around higher risk populations, rather than building immunity in lower risk populations.
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Post by doc on Aug 19, 2020 14:31:45 GMT
It’s quite clearly true for the 0-18 year age group. I think it’s pretty obvious that it’s true up to at least 25 years old. Probably a bit higher. But, the reality is, the risk for those age groups is quite insignificant. 98+% of the people in those age groups that die, do so from something else. There is NO reason children shouldn’t be in school, or college. Faculty with health issues or compromised immune systems who don't want to be in classrooms with students who aren't worried about catching the virus may be a reason. I'm just speaking based on my experiences here at work and what i'm hearing in our Staff Advisory sessions. As you all know, I've been fighting lymphoma for 15 years and on a chemo pill for the past 5 - my system is definitely compromised but I'm not around students. In fact, most of the staff from our department are working remotely - there's only a handful of people in my building right now. Faculty have to be in the classrooms. It will be interesting how this plays out. If the students want to stay on campus they better strictly follow the guidelines.
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