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Post by bluehen on Dec 16, 2020 14:26:01 GMT
Hey cpa, I'm not editing my previous post but thinking about it I must apologize and admit that my stereotyping of trump worshipers is a bit unfair and exaggerated. The combination of marginal intelligence, marginal education and heavily armed is scary to me but I know there are masses of trump supporters that don't fit that category. Will you still talk to me ?
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 16, 2020 15:22:22 GMT
I heard him say and saw him say the Clorox/Lysol stuff while looking directly at Dr Burks In one of his daily briefings back in the daily update press conferences of the Spring. The problem, cpa, is that the idiotic radicalization right wing media will never show such clips showing trump for what he is. It was commonly aired by what you trump apologists call 'main stream media' Fauci and other scientists surely had to find their way on combating a brand new virus. That's happened commonly throughout medical history, but you don't call people with expertise 'idiots' with IQs light years higher than your own. There is no high universal compliance with CDC guidelines....that's why a nation with 4.2% of the Earth's population let's 20% of Covid deaths occur within its borders. For example, my home region - When I go shopping I see probably 25 % of others not worrying about distancing, masking or hand hygiene. I feel confident in guessing that this crowd is pretty well the same crowd with confederate flags, Trump signs, junk cars, appliances and trash scattered around their trailers and watch stuff like Newsmax, Foxnews etc. while they play with their AR15s. Trump routinely makes fun of people wearing masks, from Biden to news reporters. Trump holds super spreader trump worshiping events. Trump ignores all the scientific facts and virus fighting protocols and that's probably why the Whitehouse has been an epi-center of Covid cases. This garbage that comes out of his mouth resonates with this group of people....and again, that's why 4.2% of humanity is responsible for 20% of Corona deaths. No other head of state has failed this miserably.
Still claim he never said it, cpa ? IMO lay off the specialized mis-information media.
There is other footage showing the look of horror on Dr. Burke's face who dr. trump was addressing this idiocy directly to.
You might want to turn your hearing aid up, or get a new battery, Hen. I watched it 3 times and never heard the words Lysol or Clorox. WHat these assholes won't show you is the discussion that lead up to where this clip starts. They were discussing the potential of UV light (a disinfectant used in other medical applications, where a tube is injected / inserted into the lungs for cleaning purposes. Note the weasel words that always accompanied this when discussed in the fake news media: Trump "appears to suggest", or Trump "suggested" people inject themselves with Clorox or Lysol. He did not. Here is the transcript: THE PRESIDENT: "Thank you very much. So I asked Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of, if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that too. It sounds interesting." President Donald Trump was castigated for discussing ultraviolet light and safely injecting disinfectants to fight the coronavirus, but he was absolutely right on with research already under way, according to Chairman of the Hamptons Health Society Dr. Peter Michalos. "Some of the new treatments that President Trump was trying to say, they're actually not fiction," Dr. Michalos told Sunday "The Cats Roundtable" on 970 AM-N.Y. "If you cannot explain it, better to not talk about it, but what he was saying actually does have a scientific basis." Michalos lamented the unfortunate misreporting of the story from the infamous White House coronavirus task force briefing where Trump was mocked and derided for talking about injecting light and disinfectants in the body to treat coronavirus patients. "[Trump] couldn't explain it because there aren't any real doctors at any of these briefings – they are all these people who haven't seen a patient in 45 years," Michalos told host John Catsimatidis. These "experts" are no longer on the front lines - they are politicians and bureaucrats. Dr. Birx even stated: Trump's disinfectant comments were a "dialogue" between him and scientists, which is why he was looking over at her to make sure he had it correct. Don't believe the media, Hen. They are the enemy and not your friend.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 16, 2020 15:27:18 GMT
Well, just spread the word cpa that I'm not a Dem or a liberal but a registered Independent when the order is given to start shooting. Can I be sparred ?
The radical right, mis information conspiracy theory media is the problem and the danger and why we're so horribly divided. Don't think we're going to change each other's minds, cpa.
He said disinfectants kill it in a minute...OK, Lysol and Clorox being the most popular brand names.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 16, 2020 19:33:10 GMT
Well, just spread the word cpa that I'm not a Dem or a liberal but a registered Independent when the order is given to start shooting. Can I be sparred ?
The radical right, mis information conspiracy theory media is the problem and the danger and why we're so horribly divided. Don't think we're going to change each other's minds, cpa.
He said disinfectants kill it in a minute...OK, Lysol and Clorox being the most popular brand names.
Yes, he was referring to UV light, which is a disinfectant. Everytime you get a shot, you are injecting disinfectants. The activists falsely claimed that Trump “urged Americans to inject themselves with disinfectant” and “told people to drink bleach.” He never said anything of the kind. To understand Trump’s remarks, it’s important to first understand the full context of what was said at the press briefing. Following remarks on Thursday by Bill Bryan, Under Secretary for Science and Technology at the Department of Homeland Security, pertaining to the ways in which sunlight, isopropyl alcohol, and bleach appear to kill the virus on surfaces, the president approached the podium, looked over at Bryan, and said: “So, I’m going to ask Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing when we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that – you’re going to have to use medical doctors with – but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but t he whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute.
Never said Lysol or clorox, nor "suggested" either opf those. He was only talking about UV light. Anderson Cooper on CNN spent an entire hour saying Trump told people to inject Lysol into their veins and that Trump wants to kill people. He did nothing of the sort.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 16, 2020 19:33:50 GMT
Well, just spread the word cpa that I'm not a Dem or a liberal but a registered Independent when the order is given to start shooting. Can I be sparred ?
The radical right, mis information conspiracy theory media is the problem and the danger and why we're so horribly divided. Don't think we're going to change each other's minds, cpa.
He said disinfectants kill it in a minute...OK, Lysol and Clorox being the most popular brand names.
When the shooting starts, I'll come get you.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 16, 2020 21:30:38 GMT
....to protect me or to take me to the Proud Boys or QANON army firing squad site ?
I assume, cpa, that you are certain that the general election was rigged and that trump actually won easily ?
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 17, 2020 18:38:00 GMT
....to protect me or to take me to the Proud Boys or QANON army firing squad site ? I assume, cpa, that you are certain that the general election was rigged and that trump actually won easily ? You are already part of the militia listed in the second amendment. Yes, I do believe there was enough fraud in this election to overturn the "popular" results. Too many witnesses with sworn affidavits who observed first-hand shenanigans in too many lcoations. Who gave the signal for all 6 of the swing states to "stop counting" while Trump was leading by significant margins in each state? Why all of the extreme statistical outliers? Why the suitcases of votes hidden under the table in Atlanta? How does truly random batches of mail-in votes go 100% for Biden? Why were stacks of ballots scanned 3 times? No one should be surprised, the Dems told us all summer what they were going to do.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 17, 2020 18:40:19 GMT
Jan 21, 2020
“This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens should be worried about right now,” Fauci stated.
Jan 31, 2020
The general public does not need to wear masks, Fauci said.
Also Jan 31 Trump China travel ban
Feb 27 Pelosi visit Chinatown, it's fine
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Post by bluehen on Dec 17, 2020 19:33:43 GMT
Trump travel ban - after 37 other nations implemented it. 4.2% of population Earth. 20% of all Covid fatalities. BOTTOM LINE He should be charged, tried, and convicted of homicidal negligence. Seems like the more the tragic death rate spirals out of control the more he plays golf. And don't forget, after recovering himself he told us not to worry about it. "don't let it interfere with your life' On the election, cpa, who is the mastermind of this grand, sophisticated 'Fix' ? It's incredibly interesting to me. Even the SCOTUS and McConnell are in on it now. It's genius ! All those boxes of ballots, suitcases etc.... have they been submitted as tangible, physical proof to the assorted courts that dismissed it as nonsense OR are they just verbal claims that trump and his legal clown car gang utter ? You give me a handful of $100 bills and I'll go out on the street and then submit to you a bunch of affidavits saying the Earth is flat.
btw, I'm definitely not part of the 2A militia. Not in any way 'Well Regulated' nor are those AR-15 carrying Rambo wanna -be lunatics running around the streets.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 17, 2020 21:15:26 GMT
Trump travel ban - after 37 other nations implemented it. 4.2% of population Earth. 20% of all Covid fatalities. BOTTOM LINE He should be charged, tried, and convicted of homicidal negligence. Seems like the more the tragic death rate spirals out of control the more he plays golf. And don't forget, after recovering himself he told us not to worry about it. "don't let it interfere with your life' On the election, cpa, who is the mastermind of this grand, sophisticated 'Fix' ? It's incredibly interesting to me. Even the SCOTUS and McConnell are in on it now. It's genius ! All those boxes of ballots, suitcases etc.... have they been submitted as tangible, physical proof to the assorted courts that dismissed it as nonsense OR are they just verbal claims that trump and his legal clown car gang utter ? You give me a handful of $100 bills and I'll go out on the street and then submit to you a bunch of affidavits saying the Earth is flat.
btw, I'm definitely not part of the 2A militia. Not in any way 'Well Regulated' nor are those AR-15 carrying Rambo wanna -be lunatics running around the streets.
The Constitution says you are. You are an able-bodied male capable of handling a weapon for your own defense, or the working with others to defend the country. You are well-regulated, since you are a combat veteran.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 17, 2020 23:43:05 GMT
If I'm in a well regulated militia (per 2A) who is my commanding officer ? what's the name or number of my unit? Where and when do we meet, drill and train ?...and what's my rank ? "Well regulated" should cover all that, don't you think ? Help me out there, cpa. I want to be a better informed 'well regulated militiaman'....and when you identify my unit ask the officer in charge if he (or she) really wants a 73 year old geezer who can't really shoulder a rifle and hold and shoot it properly from a fused wrist (by a gunshot wound). I still think the 2A has been custom hijacked by the NRA and it's not what the founding fathers had in mind.
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 18, 2020 11:49:18 GMT
If I'm in a well regulated militia (per 2A) who is my commanding officer ? what's the name or number of my unit? Where and when do we meet, drill and train ?...and what's my rank ? "Well regulated" should cover all that, don't you think ? Help me out there, cpa. I want to be a better informed 'well regulated militiaman'....and when you identify my unit ask the officer in charge if he (or she) really wants a 73 year old geezer who can't really shoulder a rifle and hold and shoot it properly from a fused wrist (by a gunshot wound). I still think the 2A has been custom hijacked by the NRA and it's not what the founding fathers had in mind. That's the beauty of it...it's informal. The "militia is the people", as the Founders intended. “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” — George Mason, Co-author of the Second Amendment during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788 “A militia are in fact the people themselves . . . and include all men capable of bearing arms. . . To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms… The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle.” — Richard Henry Lee, Signer of the Declaration, Additional Letters From The Federal Farmer, 1788 Trust me Hen, you are probably one of the most well-informed. The Founders never addressed specifics, because the concept was widely understood. Unfortunately, the average intelligence and general understanding of our citizenry has declined to a dumbth level, as you have correctly noted many times.
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Post by Hero on Dec 18, 2020 13:44:42 GMT
If I'm in a well regulated militia (per 2A) who is my commanding officer ? what's the name or number of my unit? Where and when do we meet, drill and train ?...and what's my rank ? "Well regulated" should cover all that, don't you think ? Help me out there, cpa. I want to be a better informed 'well regulated militiaman'....and when you identify my unit ask the officer in charge if he (or she) really wants a 73 year old geezer who can't really shoulder a rifle and hold and shoot it properly from a fused wrist (by a gunshot wound). I still think the 2A has been custom hijacked by the NRA and it's not what the founding fathers had in mind. That's the beauty of it...it's informal. The "militia is the people", as the Founders intended. “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” — George Mason, Co-author of the Second Amendment during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788 “A militia are in fact the people themselves . . . and include all men capable of bearing arms. . . To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms… The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle.” — Richard Henry Lee, Signer of the Declaration, Additional Letters From The Federal Farmer, 1788 Trust me Hen, you are probably one of the most well-informed. The Founders never addressed specifics, because the concept was widely understood. Unfortunately, the average intelligence and general understanding of our citizenry has declined to a dumbth level, as you have correctly noted many times. I fear people will forget the purpose of the BILL OF RIGHTS.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 18, 2020 14:27:07 GMT
Well, I looked up 'regulate -ed' in my dictionary, cpa. It says "to control or direct by rule...to adjust to some standard or requirement...to adjust to insure accuracy of operations..to put into good order."......which I still believe the founders had in mind when stating 'necessary for a well regulated militia" in the 2A. 'Well regulated' is important. The founders would have used "informal" if that's what they meant. Those definitions in the dictionary sure don't sound all that beautifully "informal" to me. It would be great if those Constitution writers could come back and clarify. I suspect they might find problems with the gun lobby's interpretation (hijacking ?) of the 2A and also be appalled by our gun violence and gun obsession culture.
So I guess you're not going to come up and buy all these guns I've accumulated but don't need ?
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Post by tigercpa on Dec 19, 2020 14:42:34 GMT
Well, I looked up 'regulate -ed' in my dictionary, cpa. It says "to control or direct by rule...to adjust to some standard or requirement...to adjust to insure accuracy of operations..to put into good order."......which I still believe the founders had in mind when stating 'necessary for a well regulated militia" in the 2A. 'Well regulated' is important. The founders would have used "informal" if that's what they meant. Those definitions in the dictionary sure don't sound all that beautifully "informal" to me. It would be great if those Constitution writers could come back and clarify. I suspect they might find problems with the gun lobby's interpretation (hijacking ?) of the 2A and also be appalled by our gun violence and gun obsession culture. So I guess you're not going to come up and buy all these guns I've accumulated but don't need ? They don't need to come back. They made clear what they intended. The NRA had nothing to do with it. Well-regulated is an archaic term. It has ZERO to do with laws and regulations. “A well regulated militia” would mean a group of people that are capable of fighting for a common cause. Well regulated means to be in good condition or to be well kept. A militia is a group of fighters with a common goal. Try to put yourself in the founder’s shoes. They had just fought off Great Britain. In order to defend this new land, you will need an armed force that is capable of doing so. A militia is a voluntary army of self-supplied and self-armed citizens that is derived from an armed population. A well regulated militia is a voluntary army of self-supplied and self-armed citizens that know how to use it. It is written very plainly and our founding fathers even went the extra mile to simplify things further by including the words, shall not be infringed. The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment: 1709: “If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations.” 1714: “The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world.” 1812: “The equation of time … is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial.” 1848: “A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor.” 1862: “It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding.” 1894: “The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city.” The phrase “well-regulated” was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. I am unacquainted with the extent of your works, and consequently ignorant of the number or men necessary to man them. If your present numbers should be insufficient for that purpose, I would then by all means advise your making up the deficiency out of the best regulated militia that can be got. --- George Washington (The Writings of George Washington, pp. 503-4, (G.P. Putnam & Sons, pub.)(1889))
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