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Post by bluehen on Dec 17, 2021 16:52:00 GMT
...based on at least a 10 year career and PROVEN at the very highest level of American football :
1) .759 John Madden
2) .738 Vince Lombardi
3) .712 George Allen
4) .682 George Halas
5) .677 Don Shula
6) .674 Bill Belichick
7) .672 Paul Brown
8) .668 Tony Dungy
9) .644 Mike Tomlin
10).634 Ray Flaherty
these recent hot shot college types have generally flopped (Saban, Spurrier,Meyer, Holtz, etc.) because of 4 simple reality factors :
A) At the highest, most competitive level you cannot get 'voted' a championship or even get voted into a final 2 or final 4. Winning playoff games is light years more difficult than winning opinionated elections.
B) At the highest level you cannot play 70% of your games at home.
C) You cannot custom schedule automatic rent-a-win games for 25 % of your schedule at the highest level (Saban !) in the NFL
D) And, most profoundly, you simply cannot 'recruit' wins at the highest, most competitive level of football.
These recent 'hot shot' college types have
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Post by aufan on Dec 18, 2021 0:07:49 GMT
Category D is the defining attribute that makes college coaches successful. It has no translation to NFL.
Two different skill sets.
Saban is the GOAT, the best at recruiting and preparing players. There are plenty of better gameday coaches, but that doesn’t matter when the game is won and lost on players and prep 95% of the time.
Mahlzahn was 3-5 against Saban, mostly because of gameday coaching. But Saban is 100x better at the recruiting and preparation, which is why he is the GOAT while Mahlzahn was fired.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 18, 2021 1:12:42 GMT
Should be called the GROAT then....greatest recruiter of all time.
But Aufan, how many other HCs out there, present and past, with all the player prep stuff, would have st least a similar record as Saban if every time they took the field they had superior talent than their opponents ? Yes, 'recruiting' is 95% of major CF success.
That's why for pure coaching the NFL greats were the greatest having to work in a talent parity world with no options for 'gimmes'
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Post by aufan on Dec 18, 2021 2:02:10 GMT
Part of coaching in college is recruiting. Being good at recruiting in college makes you a good college coach.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 18, 2021 5:34:29 GMT
Part of coaching in college is recruiting. Being good at recruiting in college makes you a good college coach. I say 95% at the top P5 level. What would you say ? |
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Post by Bevo on Dec 18, 2021 15:22:42 GMT
Win% means a lot more to me when it comes to ranking coaches in the NFL. There is far more parity in the NFL (especially today).
In college, a GREAT coach is one who can go to a school that is a perennial DOG ( like Kentucky) and turn them into a winner. Sometimes, the win % takes a hit for a year or two. But the coaching talent wins out. And yes, at the college level, recruiting and player development are at least as, if not MORE important than X’s and O’s Game day coaching.
Mack Brown was one of the worst game day coaches I ever saw at Texas. And, he was terrible at talent evaluation. But, he could recruit with the best of them. And, his players would run through walls if he asked them to. BTW, recruiting also extends to the assistant coaches. What up and coming coach wouldn’t want to work with Saban ?
College coaching “greatness” requires a much broader skill set.
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Post by aufan on Dec 18, 2021 18:23:40 GMT
Part of coaching in college is recruiting. Being good at recruiting in college makes you a good college coach. I say 95% at the top P5 level. What would you say ? Maybe 50% at most. |
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Post by bluehen on Dec 18, 2021 21:34:41 GMT
93.5 % is my final offer. All these coaches know FB and can coach...all have processes. The material, on hand, is what overwhelmingly determines success
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Post by Bevo on Dec 18, 2021 23:34:44 GMT
The material, on hand, is what overwhelmingly determines success Close. It’s the material coming in ! |
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Post by bluehen on Dec 19, 2021 14:53:46 GMT
PROOF :
Nick Saban did not have overwhelming talent advantages in his 5 seasons at Michigan State. His winning percentage for those 5 seasons - .585
(3 winning seasons out of the 5)
Heck, he didn't have superior talent when first arriving at Bama......and loses to La-Monroe and Utah
He didn't have raw talent advantages with the Dolphins and posted a losing 15-17 record.
Recruiting = 90-95 % of CF coaching success . Consistent superior talent can make many, many, coaches look like genuises
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