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Post by Bevo on Dec 29, 2021 16:45:49 GMT
I personally appreciate the academic fraud cause. :-)
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Post by bluehen on Dec 29, 2021 17:00:29 GMT
I personally appreciate the academic fraud cause. :-) Ok, good idea. Can I add in a little SEC mythology too ?
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Post by Bevo on Dec 29, 2021 19:37:18 GMT
I personally appreciate the academic fraud cause. :-) Ok, good idea. Can I add in a little SEC mythology too ? Sure... they are SO GOOD, they're practically mythical! Of course... you can talk about whatever you want. The playoff stuff just frustrates me because: I largely AGREE with you. Which means, I end of arguing against something that I'd actually LIKE to see. It would be GREAT if the NCAA would/could step up, establish some consistency. Design a reasonable, limited playoff system in two tiers (P5 and G5). That would be AWESOME. But, that's NOT the world we live in. The competing forces are simply too entrenched and powerful for the NCAA to deal with. So, we're left with ESPN and Dr. Pepper to find solutions. Where we're at now is much better than where we were 20 years ago. They're planning another step to 12, which I think is TOO FAR, but.... maybe, will still be OK? It's never been than I don't understand playoffs, or disagree with the superiority of determining a champion on the field. It's just extremely difficult to find the right balance between a playoff and the "all of nothing reality" of the regular season in college football. It's hard to see all the traditions and rivalries that made this game so special get TRAMPLED and tossed aside in pursuit of the almighty $. It's frustrating to see the LAST sport that seemed to have true passion, be converted brick by brick to a professional league. But, that's "progress". And, there're no going back. We all just have to adapt, or move on. But, it doesn't help to be constantly told that "playing is better than voting". I mean, well... DUH. But, we don't JUST vote anymore. There is a LOT of playing involved, and soon there will be more. If I could put the SWC back together, I'd be happy to back to 100% voting. But, that ship has sailed. The "playoff" is coming. But, it'll be for a college football business that looks NOTHING LIKE what most of us fell in love with.
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Post by bluehen on Dec 29, 2021 21:00:11 GMT
It's been the greatest sport ( but skeptical about where it's heading) with the dumbest post season .
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Post by Bevo on Dec 29, 2021 21:50:43 GMT
It's been the greatest sport ( but skeptical about where it's heading) with the dumbest post season . Well, you'll get no argument from me on ANY of those points.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Dec 30, 2021 17:02:12 GMT
It's been the greatest sport ( but skeptical about where it's heading) with the dumbest post season . Well, you'll get no argument from me on ANY of those points. Definitely the dumbest post season of any sport period and it will get worse until the post season is expanded. Like Doc said it is all what your willing to accept regarding if you want to view this event as a playoff or an Invitational. Until we get away from a committee that gives a certain conference the benefit of the doubt every single time I will view this as an invitational. When the decision is not necessarily made on what they did no the field and resort to the eye test then count me out. Did they get it wrong this year? Probably not but you can't be for sure as I do think there are teams that could win it all that are not in the top 4. In 8 seasons of the CFP here is the bid count per conference SEC 10 ACC 7 B10 6 B12 6 P12 2 AAC 1 Name recognition and conference affiliation are given way too much weight. The committee also has other jobs so they are not watching these games 24/7. So where do they get their info from hmmm ESPN maybe. I watched very little this year but in years past they seemed to get there talking points together just like politicians and keep feeding the same lines over and over and then the committee actually believes them to be fact. There was a day not too long ago that the bowl games could legitimize the strength of the conference. Now with the Bowl season you might as well treat the non CFI games as the first spring game of the next year. The transfer portal and opt outs have relegated these games to almost less than an exhibition. The fact that the SEC is currently 0 - 4 is of absolutely no significance.
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Post by EvilVodka on Dec 30, 2021 18:12:44 GMT
I would have loved to see Baylor and Notre Dame in a playoff this year
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Post by aufan on Dec 30, 2021 19:50:36 GMT
College football was far better as a regional sport. No playoff nor national championship is needed, just smaller conferences and conference champions getting auto bids to fun bowl games.
The ‘haves’ will argue to keep the broken system as we see in this thread, because the ‘have nots’ don’t have a chance to compete.
The list of ‘haves’ will shrink, and the list of ‘have nots’ will grow. And opinions will change based on those lists.
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Post by aufan on Dec 30, 2021 19:55:27 GMT
Well, you'll get no argument from me on ANY of those points. Definitely the dumbest post season of any sport period and it will get worse until the post season is expanded. Like Doc said it is all what your willing to accept regarding if you want to view this event as a playoff or an Invitational. Until we get away from a committee that gives a certain conference the benefit of the doubt every single time I will view this as an invitational. When the decision is not necessarily made on what they did no the field and resort to the eye test then count me out. Did they get it wrong this year? Probably not but you can't be for sure as I do think there are teams that could win it all that are not in the top 4. In 8 seasons of the CFP here is the bid count per conference SEC 10 ACC 7 B10 6 B12 6 P12 2 AAC 1 Name recognition and conference affiliation are given way too much weight. The committee also has other jobs so they are not watching these games 24/7. So where do they get their info from hmmm ESPN maybe. I watched very little this year but in years past they seemed to get there talking points together just like politicians and keep feeding the same lines over and over and then the committee actually believes them to be fact. There was a day not too long ago that the bowl games could legitimize the strength of the conference. Now with the Bowl season you might as well treat the non CFI games as the first spring game of the next year. The transfer portal and opt outs have relegated these games to almost less than an exhibition. The fact that the SEC is currently 0 - 4 is of absolutely no significance. It’s either eye test or auto bids. Either the Sun Belt gets in or the eye test says they don’t deserve a shot.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 30, 2021 20:00:23 GMT
Definitely the dumbest post season of any sport period and it will get worse until the post season is expanded. Like Doc said it is all what your willing to accept regarding if you want to view this event as a playoff or an Invitational. Until we get away from a committee that gives a certain conference the benefit of the doubt every single time I will view this as an invitational. When the decision is not necessarily made on what they did no the field and resort to the eye test then count me out. Did they get it wrong this year? Probably not but you can't be for sure as I do think there are teams that could win it all that are not in the top 4. In 8 seasons of the CFP here is the bid count per conference SEC 10 ACC 7 B10 6 B12 6 P12 2 AAC 1 Name recognition and conference affiliation are given way too much weight. The committee also has other jobs so they are not watching these games 24/7. So where do they get their info from hmmm ESPN maybe. I watched very little this year but in years past they seemed to get there talking points together just like politicians and keep feeding the same lines over and over and then the committee actually believes them to be fact. There was a day not too long ago that the bowl games could legitimize the strength of the conference. Now with the Bowl season you might as well treat the non CFI games as the first spring game of the next year. The transfer portal and opt outs have relegated these games to almost less than an exhibition. The fact that the SEC is currently 0 - 4 is of absolutely no significance. It’s either eye test or auto bids. Either the Sun Belt gets in or the eye test says they don’t deserve a shot. Their 92% failure rate against P5 schools is a pretty good indicator that they DON'T DESERVE at shot. At least, not at the P5 level. As long as THAT is the price for a larger playoff, it will NEVER happen.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Dec 31, 2021 2:38:50 GMT
Definitely the dumbest post season of any sport period and it will get worse until the post season is expanded. Like Doc said it is all what your willing to accept regarding if you want to view this event as a playoff or an Invitational. Until we get away from a committee that gives a certain conference the benefit of the doubt every single time I will view this as an invitational. When the decision is not necessarily made on what they did no the field and resort to the eye test then count me out. Did they get it wrong this year? Probably not but you can't be for sure as I do think there are teams that could win it all that are not in the top 4. In 8 seasons of the CFP here is the bid count per conference SEC 10 ACC 7 B10 6 B12 6 P12 2 AAC 1 Name recognition and conference affiliation are given way too much weight. The committee also has other jobs so they are not watching these games 24/7. So where do they get their info from hmmm ESPN maybe. I watched very little this year but in years past they seemed to get there talking points together just like politicians and keep feeding the same lines over and over and then the committee actually believes them to be fact. There was a day not too long ago that the bowl games could legitimize the strength of the conference. Now with the Bowl season you might as well treat the non CFI games as the first spring game of the next year. The transfer portal and opt outs have relegated these games to almost less than an exhibition. The fact that the SEC is currently 0 - 4 is of absolutely no significance. It’s either eye test or auto bids. Either the Sun Belt gets in or the eye test says they don’t deserve a shot. Disagree. Come up with a ranking system prior to the start of the season that will determine who gets in.
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Post by aufan on Dec 31, 2021 2:48:25 GMT
It’s either eye test or auto bids. Either the Sun Belt gets in or the eye test says they don’t deserve a shot. Disagree. Come up with a ranking system prior to the start of the season that will determine who gets in. A ranking system is an eye test. Just different names for the same thing.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Dec 31, 2021 2:59:45 GMT
Disagree. Come up with a ranking system prior to the start of the season that will determine who gets in. A ranking system is an eye test. Just different names for the same thing. If you have a computer ranking system set up prior to the start of the season then the chosen ones are decided on a predetermined set of conditions. Big Big Difference.
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Post by Bevo on Dec 31, 2021 2:59:56 GMT
Disagree. Come up with a ranking system prior to the start of the season that will determine who gets in. A ranking system is an eye test. Just different names for the same thing. CJ’s ranking system was no eye test.
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Post by aufan on Dec 31, 2021 4:09:13 GMT
A ranking system is an eye test. Just different names for the same thing. If you have a computer ranking system set up prior to the start of the season then the chosen ones are decided on a predetermined set of conditions. Big Big Difference. Computer rankings would be objective, but good luck having anyone agree on what they should be. And it also doesn’t solve your problem of SEC bias, which is actually just bias toward the best teams.
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