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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 2, 2022 23:25:50 GMT
Interesting that the Big XII is talking with Gonzaga
If Gonzaga joined, how hard would it be to add Creighton?
Also, if you really wanted to go crazy with it...
What about also adding Depaul and Marquette?
The Big XII could make major basketball moves if they wanted.
12 in football (for now) 16 in basketball
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PS I'd be trying to pry that Arizona piece away from the PAC
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Post by Bevo on Nov 3, 2022 2:15:47 GMT
Conference alignment doesn't HAVE to be all about football.
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Post by GatorGrad on Nov 3, 2022 15:51:00 GMT
Ask the Big East how well things went having partial / "non football" members...
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Post by ajbuckeye on Nov 3, 2022 19:10:56 GMT
Interesting that the Big XII is talking with Gonzaga
If Gonzaga joined, how hard would it be to add Creighton?
Also, if you really wanted to go crazy with it...
What about also adding Depaul and Marquette?
The Big XII could make major basketball moves if they wanted.
12 in football (for now) 16 in basketball
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PS I'd be trying to pry that Arizona piece away from the PAC
I think it is a short term win but a long term loss. Once Gonzaga losses their coach I can see them falling back to the upper end mid major status. |
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 5, 2022 13:14:46 GMT
Ask the Big East how well things went having partial / "non football" members... Usually I would agree with you, but the conference alignment race has been won by the SEC and B1G; its officially a P2 now. So if you are the Big XII, ACC, or PAC 12, you might as well try and maximize your strength and revenue as much as you can.
The Big XII has actually done an incredible job at surviving massive defections: Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska
I don't think adding some bball schools would necessarily lead to the massive power division the Big East had, where they had an even split in interest.
If the Big XII did add Gonzaga, I would at least look at adding a Big East school to round out the basketball teams. Creighton fits geographically. Marquette, Depaul, and Butler are within range as well.
Probably wouldn't hurt for the ACC to take a look at adding Villanova either.
The time for having clean-cut all-sports conferences is out the window. It's pure survival now, you have to adapt and evolve
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Post by GatorGrad on Nov 5, 2022 14:04:29 GMT
The Big 12 then will be a mess with zero identity. Teams stretching from WVU to UCF to BYU and now hoops-only GONZAGA? It will basically be the "leftover conference" of schools that wish they were in another conference but nobody else wanted.
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 5, 2022 14:33:13 GMT
The Big 12 then will be a mess with zero identity. Teams stretching from WVU to UCF to BYU and now hoops-only GONZAGA? It will basically be the "leftover conference" of schools that wish they were in another conference but nobody else wanted. very true, and that's what the other sub P3 conferences are turning into...
However, if things play out where the PAC 12 eventually gets ripped apart (Oregon & Washington, plus Stanford and/or Cal to Big 10), I could see the four corners PAC schools going to the Big XII, especially if the money is better.
I think the future of the Big XII is a de facto western conference, with a couple of eastern teams. They could end up being the premier 3rd conference behind the P2, dependent on what eventually happens to the ACC.
UCF, Cincinnati, and West Virginia were all chosen out of desperation to stay afloat...and maybe one day, they join a ravaged ACC along with any ACC leftovers, because the bulk of the Big XII will be western
There's a lot of possibilities and permutations in this, but what's clear is there will be a dominating P2 conference setup, 1-2 mid conferences and some G5 conferences
Gonzaga does have history with BYU, and this move could be in anticipation of Arizona looking at jumping
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Post by GatorGrad on Nov 5, 2022 17:20:35 GMT
This is such a mess. I wish we could get back to conferences of just 10-12 teams each that made actual geographic sense...
The PAC 12 was perfect. All solid brands, made geographic sense, fun games. USC and UCLA leaving really sucks honestly. I will miss the PAC 12.
Then the original BIG 12...wish it could have stayed the same including Nebraska and Texas A&M. They had a pretty good thing going.
Then the SEC with 12 was perfect and Big Ten with 12 (Maryland as 12th instead of Nebraska.)
ACC really would have been better off sticking with the 10 schools in FL, GA, SC, NC, and VA. Play a nine-game round robin. Never needed to add Pitt, Lville, Syracuse, or BC. If they must get up to 12 like the others, Pitt and WVU.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 6, 2022 3:27:26 GMT
Agree. None of this has really made anything better
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Post by aufan on Nov 9, 2022 4:23:34 GMT
This is such a mess. I wish we could get back to conferences of just 10-12 teams each that made actual geographic sense... The PAC 12 was perfect. All solid brands, made geographic sense, fun games. USC and UCLA leaving really sucks honestly. I will miss the PAC 12. Then the original BIG 12...wish it could have stayed the same including Nebraska and Texas A&M. They had a pretty good thing going. Then the SEC with 12 was perfect and Big Ten with 12 (Maryland as 12th instead of Nebraska.) ACC really would have been better off sticking with the 10 schools in FL, GA, SC, NC, and VA. Play a nine-game round robin. Never needed to add Pitt, Lville, Syracuse, or BC. If they must get up to 12 like the others, Pitt and WVU. The goal is more money, not a better product, not regional identity nor logical geography. We should all be happy that capitalism is doing its thing to our favorite sport of Dr. Pepper College Football brought to you by All State. When we are talking about the Chick Fil-A conference adding the newest member… the Colorado State Ram Trucks, because of the advertising potential, then college football will have met its fullest potential. |
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