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Post by ajbuckeye on Nov 18, 2022 20:48:26 GMT
Joel Klatt had some interesting perspective on the 4 team vs the 12 team playoff on fox sports.
In summary between the 2 with 3 weeks left plus a championship game.
With the 4 Team playoff we have 4 teams that control their destiny
tOSU, UGA, ttun, TCU
No guarantees but just win you should be in
USC, Tenn
The longstots
Clemson LSU NCarolina
With 3 weeks left we have a total we have 6 teams playing for 4 slots and 3 others hoping for chaos to open the door
That is 4.4% of teams still alive with legitimate shot and additional 2.2% of teams that are long shots
With the 12 team playoff
There would be 33 teams (29 FBS) teams still playing for a shot at a playoff birth.
In this scenario we would have nearly 25% of teams still playing for something more than a bowl bid with in a stadium filled with empty seats.
I think when it comes to fruition I got a feeling that the general consensus would be Why did it take so long to get here.
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Post by bluehen on Nov 18, 2022 23:30:05 GMT
A sport's national championship playoff champion has far more value and legitimacy than a sport's winner of a post season 2 or 4 team invitational event.......common knowledge. Only one division of one team sport on the planet has failed to allow this to happen.......the FBS (football 'BOWL" subdivision). Should be called the FES, IMO ( the football exhibition subdivision) as bowls are post season exhibition games.
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Post by Bevo on Nov 19, 2022 6:29:13 GMT
So, which Champion is more sincere?
The elected Champion (consensus vote of sportswriters and coaches)
The winner of a 4 team playoff?
The winner of a 12 team playoff ?
The winner of a 24 team playoff?
The winner of a 48 team playoff?
We only have a couple of weeks left. With a 12 team playoff, 33 teams still have a shot at winning, and that’s progress ??
That is the very definition of a “meaningless regular season”.
But, no doubt… it will bring in more TV revenue. Which will mostly go to the SEC. I can hear the bitching already. The SEC will put 7 teams in. The Final 4 will ALL be SEC. And people will cry for 24 teams.
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 19, 2022 12:59:18 GMT
Joel Klatt had some interesting perspective on the 4 team vs the 12 team playoff on fox sports. In summary between the 2 with 3 weeks left plus a championship game. With the 4 Team playoff we have 4 teams that control their destiny tOSU, UGA, ttun, TCU No guarantees but just win you should be in USC, Tenn The longstots Clemson LSU NCarolina With 3 weeks left we have a total we have 6 teams playing for 4 slots and 3 others hoping for chaos to open the door That is 4.4% of teams still alive with legitimate shot and additional 2.2% of teams that are long shots With the 12 team playoff There would be 33 teams (29 FBS) teams still playing for a shot at a playoff birth. In this scenario we would have nearly 25% of teams still playing for something more than a bowl bid with in a stadium filled with empty seats. I think when it comes to fruition I got a feeling that the general consensus would be Why did it take so long to get here. With the 12 team playoff, not only are conference champions valued way more, but the top 4 also get BYES. The Big XII and PAC 12 have had great seasons, and their champs should absolutely be in the playoff.
It will be way better. Shameful that its taken this long
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Post by Bevo on Nov 19, 2022 19:40:40 GMT
College football has been very popular for 130 years, without having a massive, all-inclusive playoff.
Continued Success is not certain with the new format. But, it’s likely. We’ll see.
I suspect, griping will survive
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Post by aufan on Nov 19, 2022 22:25:11 GMT
College football has been very popular for 130 years, without having a massive, all-inclusive playoff. Continued Success is not certain with the new format. But, it’s likely. We’ll see. I suspect, griping will survive College football has never been more profitable. Capitalism makes things better, and that has certainly applied to our favorite sport too. |
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Post by tigercpa on Nov 21, 2022 12:49:21 GMT
I think we are conditioned to look for 3/4 elite teams each year.
This year, there aren’t 3/4 elite teams.
But, by all means, please expand to 12 teams.
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Post by EvilVodka on Nov 21, 2022 12:54:19 GMT
I think we are conditioned to look for 3/4 elite teams each year. This year, there aren’t 3/4 elite teams. But, by all means, please expand to 12 teams. IMO, the 12 team playoff values the conference champ
For Clemson, simply winning the ACC puts them in. Beating South Carolina might put Clemson in position for a bye
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Post by bluehen on Nov 22, 2022 1:04:33 GMT
I think we are conditioned to look for 3/4 elite teams each year. This year, there aren’t 3/4 elite teams. But, by all means, please expand to 12 teams. IMO, the 12 team playoff values the conference champ
For Clemson, simply winning the ACC puts them in. Beating South Carolina might put Clemson in position for a bye
The 12 team scenario actually only values 60% of conference championships. 100 % is better, IMO. ....and the topic should read " 4 team invitational vs 12 team limited playoff". Sorry for the redundancy, fellers.
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Post by ajbuckeye on Nov 22, 2022 14:55:30 GMT
So, which Champion is more sincere? The elected Champion (consensus vote of sportswriters and coaches) The winner of a 4 team playoff? The winner of a 12 team playoff ? The winner of a 24 team playoff? The winner of a 48 team playoff? We only have a couple of weeks left. With a 12 team playoff, 33 teams still have a shot at winning, and that’s progress ?? That is the very definition of a “meaningless regular season”. But, no doubt… it will bring in more TV revenue. Which will mostly go to the SEC. I can hear the bitching already. The SEC will put 7 teams in. The Final 4 will ALL be SEC. And people will cry for 24 teams. I think having 33 teams with 3 weeks to play is definitely progress. We have 2 more weeks if you include the CCG's and now we are at about 20 teams for 12 spots. If we go back to the bowl games assuming the favorites win the likely matchups would be voted based on the outcomes of these bowl games USC vs tOSU UGA vs either TCU or Clemson Using the BCS TCU has virtually no chance unless UGA loses UGA vs (tOSU or ttun) With the 4 teams playoff these teams still have a realistic shot tOSU ttun UGA USC TCU and Clemson and considering the Committee's tendencies maybe LSU Out of these three systems which one do you like the best? |
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Post by bluehen on Nov 23, 2022 14:08:18 GMT
None. I prefer this........
All conference champions plus 6 very worthy 'at large' teams advance to a 16 team championship elimination tournament that will yield a genuine , proven on the field, national champion . This scenario will be both all inclusive and render the regular season very 'meaningful' . The regular season would eliminate 116 of 132 teams from championship opportunities. That is meaningful !....and all teams that won a regular season title get a shot.
If you take greed, TV entertainment value, hype, politics and all that non pure sport stuff out of the equation this seems like the fair way to do it to me.
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Post by bluehen on Nov 23, 2022 21:04:46 GMT
I think the DIII national championship (going on right now) is good example of a fair and inclusive system that still values the regular season AND conference championships.
All 27 regular season conference champs automatically qualify + 5 'at large' entries for a 32 team field ( no byes required).
218 of the 250 DIII football playing schools are eliminated via the regular season. That's a meaningful regular season.
What do you think ?....and please, no " nobody cares about DIII ". That's not the point. A fair, inclusive system is the point.....a system that values champions, regular seasons, and on field elimination competition is the point.
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Post by Hero on Nov 24, 2022 13:25:46 GMT
I think the DIII national championship (going on right now) is good example of a fair and inclusive system that still values the regular season AND conference championships. All 27 regular season conference champs automatically qualify + 5 'at large' entries for a 32 team field ( no byes required). 218 of the 250 DIII football playing schools are eliminated via the regular season. That's a meaningful regular season. What do you think ?....and please, no " nobody cares about DIII ". That's not the point. A fair, inclusive system is the point.....a system that values champions, regular seasons, and on field elimination competition is the point. To be honest, I am sure there are dozens of people who care. |
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Post by bluehen on Nov 24, 2022 14:29:13 GMT
how many dozens ?
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Post by Hero on Nov 24, 2022 22:59:39 GMT
Several, I'm sure.  |
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