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BIG Opportunity Dec 20, 2022 17:31:39 GMT

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Post by ajbuckeye on Dec 20, 2022 17:31:39 GMT

I do think this Bowl Season has one of the biggest opportunities for the B1G to change the landscape of college football.

If the Buckeyes get pounced by the UGA and both ttun and PSU take it on the chin then EV was right. B1G = overrated

On the other hand all 3 get a win then you have
B1G Champ beat B12 Champ
BIG Runner up beat SEC Champ
BIG 3 beat P12 Champ

In that scenario the only losses to the top 3 B10 teams would be to each other. Not saying it is going to happen but it certainly is a possibility and if so there is no doubt the B10 separated itself from the pack by a long shot.

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BIG Opportunity Dec 20, 2022 18:21:20 GMT

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Post by EvilVodka on Dec 20, 2022 18:21:20 GMT

I think you are sort of proving my point though...I think the rest of the conference is horribly outmatched

Guaranteed Rate Bowl: Wisconsin vs. Oklahoma State
Pinstripe Bowl: Minnesota vs. Syracuse
Duke's Mayo Bowl (aka Mayonaise Bowl...horrible bowl name): Maryland vs. NC State
Music City Bowl: Iowa vs. Kentucky
Reliaquest Bowl: Miss St. vs. Illinois
Citrus Bowl: LSU vs. Purdue
Rose Bowl: Penn St. vs. Utah
Fiesta Bowl: Michigan vs. TCU
Peach Bowl: Georgia vs. Ohio State

But I stand by my statement...the B1G will be lucky to get 1 or 2 wins out of this bowl lineup

I think Minnesota, Michigan, and Penn State have the best shots, but they are going to have their hands full.

Utah is wanting that Rose Bowl win...I think they finally get it

Ohio State got the hardest draw in the nation...Buckeyes need to channel that inner Superman how they did in '20 vs. Clemson. If they don't, they'll get run out of the building

I question Michigan too...TCU is much more battle-tested than the Wolverines. Michigan is going to have to physically dominate TCU. If they give up too many big plays or easy turnovers, TCU is capable of scoring quick and often. TCU's one disadvantage has been inconsistency, but they were able to take Texas's best shot

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BIG Opportunity Dec 20, 2022 23:06:21 GMT

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Post by bluehen on Dec 20, 2022 23:06:21 GMT

I tend to agree with Evil. A true measure of a conference's strength should reflect the entirety of the league. For example : Georgia represents exactly 7 % of the strength of the SEC, no more no less. Vanderbilt also represents 7 % of the SEC's strength, no more no less.

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BIG Opportunity Dec 21, 2022 0:16:53 GMT

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Post by EvilVodka on Dec 21, 2022 0:16:53 GMT

Dec 20, 2022 23:06:21 GMT bluehen said:

I tend to agree with Evil. A true measure of a conference's strength should reflect the entirety of the league. For example : Georgia represents exactly 7 % of the strength of the SEC, no more no less. Vanderbilt also represents 7 % of the SEC's strength, no more no less.

exactly

With the SEC, we know Georgia and Alabama are good. LSU and Tennessee exceeded expectations. Ole Miss, Miss St., Kentucky and South Carolina are good middling teams. The SEC has some depth in addition to the elite teams

With the Big 10, I don't see much besides the top 3.

The PAC 12 was much better this year and had some good teams at the top with some middlings in UCLA, Oregon State and Washington State

The Big XII has been killin it the last few years, mostly because there isn't a horrid stinking bottom to the conference. Even Kansas was good this year at times. TCU had an 11 game stretch against a deep league.

The ACC...ugh. They went winless vs. Notre Dame. Wake Forest and NC State, while having many pieces in place, underperformed.

So anyways....ya, I question the battle-testedness of the Big 10 entering bowl season.

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BIG Opportunity Dec 21, 2022 15:05:35 GMT

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Post by ajbuckeye on Dec 21, 2022 15:05:35 GMT

Dec 20, 2022 18:21:20 GMT EvilVodka said:

I think you are sort of proving my point though...I think the rest of the conference is horribly outmatched

Guaranteed Rate Bowl: Wisconsin vs. Oklahoma State
Pinstripe Bowl: Minnesota vs. Syracuse
Duke's Mayo Bowl (aka Mayonaise Bowl...horrible bowl name): Maryland vs. NC State
Music City Bowl: Iowa vs. Kentucky
Reliaquest Bowl: Miss St. vs. Illinois
Citrus Bowl: LSU vs. Purdue
Rose Bowl: Penn St. vs. Utah
Fiesta Bowl: Michigan vs. TCU
Peach Bowl: Georgia vs. Ohio State

But I stand by my statement...the B1G will be lucky to get 1 or 2 wins out of this bowl lineup

I think Minnesota, Michigan, and Penn State have the best shots, but they are going to have their hands full.

Utah is wanting that Rose Bowl win...I think they finally get it

Ohio State got the hardest draw in the nation...Buckeyes need to channel that inner Superman how they did in '20 vs. Clemson. If they don't, they'll get run out of the building

I question Michigan too...TCU is much more battle-tested than the Wolverines. Michigan is going to have to physically dominate TCU. If they give up too many big plays or easy turnovers, TCU is capable of scoring quick and often. TCU's one disadvantage has been inconsistency, but they were able to take Texas's best shot

Records vs FBS teams
SEC 35 - 7
B10 24 - 9
B12 17 - 7
P12 16-10
ACC 24 -18
Not a huge difference in performance but your perception of the B1G vs the SEC from top to bottom is way out of whack.

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BIG Opportunity Dec 28, 2022 17:30:03 GMT

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Post by ajbuckeye on Dec 28, 2022 17:30:03 GMT

Dec 20, 2022 18:21:20 GMT EvilVodka said:

I think you are sort of proving my point though...I think the rest of the conference is horribly outmatched

Guaranteed Rate Bowl: Wisconsin vs. Oklahoma State
Pinstripe Bowl: Minnesota vs. Syracuse
Duke's Mayo Bowl (aka Mayonaise Bowl...horrible bowl name): Maryland vs. NC State
Music City Bowl: Iowa vs. Kentucky
Reliaquest Bowl: Miss St. vs. Illinois
Citrus Bowl: LSU vs. Purdue
Rose Bowl: Penn St. vs. Utah
Fiesta Bowl: Michigan vs. TCU
Peach Bowl: Georgia vs. Ohio State

But I stand by my statement...the B1G will be lucky to get 1 or 2 wins out of this bowl lineup

I think Minnesota, Michigan, and Penn State have the best shots, but they are going to have their hands full.

Utah is wanting that Rose Bowl win...I think they finally get it

Ohio State got the hardest draw in the nation...Buckeyes need to channel that inner Superman how they did in '20 vs. Clemson. If they don't, they'll get run out of the building

I question Michigan too...TCU is much more battle-tested than the Wolverines. Michigan is going to have to physically dominate TCU. If they give up too many big plays or easy turnovers, TCU is capable of scoring quick and often. TCU's one disadvantage has been inconsistency, but they were able to take Texas's best shot

So was Wisconsin horribly outmatched. They completely dominated the trenches.

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BIG Opportunity Dec 28, 2022 18:56:19 GMT via mobile

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Post by Bevo on Dec 28, 2022 18:56:19 GMT

Dec 28, 2022 17:30:03 GMT ajbuckeye said:

Dec 20, 2022 18:21:20 GMT EvilVodka said:

I think you are sort of proving my point though...I think the rest of the conference is horribly outmatched

Guaranteed Rate Bowl: Wisconsin vs. Oklahoma State
Pinstripe Bowl: Minnesota vs. Syracuse
Duke's Mayo Bowl (aka Mayonaise Bowl...horrible bowl name): Maryland vs. NC State
Music City Bowl: Iowa vs. Kentucky
Reliaquest Bowl: Miss St. vs. Illinois
Citrus Bowl: LSU vs. Purdue
Rose Bowl: Penn St. vs. Utah
Fiesta Bowl: Michigan vs. TCU
Peach Bowl: Georgia vs. Ohio State

But I stand by my statement...the B1G will be lucky to get 1 or 2 wins out of this bowl lineup

I think Minnesota, Michigan, and Penn State have the best shots, but they are going to have their hands full.

Utah is wanting that Rose Bowl win...I think they finally get it

Ohio State got the hardest draw in the nation...Buckeyes need to channel that inner Superman how they did in '20 vs. Clemson. If they don't, they'll get run out of the building

I question Michigan too...TCU is much more battle-tested than the Wolverines. Michigan is going to have to physically dominate TCU. If they give up too many big plays or easy turnovers, TCU is capable of scoring quick and often. TCU's one disadvantage has been inconsistency, but they were able to take Texas's best shot

So was Wisconsin horribly outmatched. They completely dominated the trenches.

We’ll never know. Wisconsin didn’t play the OSU team that played this season.

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BIG Opportunity Jan 2, 2023 20:40:52 GMT

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Post by Hero on Jan 2, 2023 20:40:52 GMT

Dec 20, 2022 17:31:39 GMT ajbuckeye said:

I do think this Bowl Season has one of the biggest opportunities for the B1G to change the landscape of college football.

If the Buckeyes get pounced by the UGA and both ttun and PSU take it on the chin then EV was right. B1G = overrated

On the other hand all 3 get a win then you have
B1G Champ beat B12 Champ
BIG Runner up beat SEC Champ
BIG 3 beat P12 Champ

In that scenario the only losses to the top 3 B10 teams would be to each other. Not saying it is going to happen but it certainly is a possibility and if so there is no doubt the B10 separated itself from the pack by a long shot.

I guess the landscape of college football remains pretty much intact.

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BIG Opportunity Jan 2, 2023 21:57:18 GMT

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Post by Bevo on Jan 2, 2023 21:57:18 GMT

Jan 2, 2023 20:40:52 GMT Hero said:

Dec 20, 2022 17:31:39 GMT ajbuckeye said:

I do think this Bowl Season has one of the biggest opportunities for the B1G to change the landscape of college football.

If the Buckeyes get pounced by the UGA and both ttun and PSU take it on the chin then EV was right. B1G = overrated

On the other hand all 3 get a win then you have
B1G Champ beat B12 Champ
BIG Runner up beat SEC Champ
BIG 3 beat P12 Champ

In that scenario the only losses to the top 3 B10 teams would be to each other. Not saying it is going to happen but it certainly is a possibility and if so there is no doubt the B10 separated itself from the pack by a long shot.

I guess the landscape of college football remains pretty much intact.

Seems that way... except.. the PAC XII looks a LOT worse that we though.

Post by ajbuckeye on Dec 20, 2022 17:31:39 GMT

Post by EvilVodka on Dec 20, 2022 18:21:20 GMT

Post by bluehen on Dec 20, 2022 23:06:21 GMT

Post by EvilVodka on Dec 21, 2022 0:16:53 GMT

Post by ajbuckeye on Dec 21, 2022 15:05:35 GMT

Post by ajbuckeye on Dec 28, 2022 17:30:03 GMT

Post by Bevo on Dec 28, 2022 18:56:19 GMT

Post by Hero on Jan 2, 2023 20:40:52 GMT

Post by Bevo on Jan 2, 2023 21:57:18 GMT

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