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Post by Bevo on Apr 14, 2023 1:37:52 GMT
Many of the mass shooters were law abiding people. The human brain can be fragile. The unchecked easy access to deadly weaponry can turn a bad day at the office into impulsive rage = tragedy. No reason for our citizenry to have this stuff. Japan, with its clean subways, doesn't have a glut of guns. Why? No other industrializes nation does. It's a global embarrassment Switzerland has lots of guns... and they don't have the kind of violence we do. Gun violence, among whites, in our country... is not significantly different from other countries. We have an inner-city, urban culture problem. These mass events, like Louisville, get tons of press. But, they are relatively rare... with not many people involved. It's the day to day, night to night, drug-related murders than run up our numbers. |
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Post by bluehen on Apr 14, 2023 11:28:11 GMT
Many of the mass shooters were law abiding people. The human brain can be fragile. The unchecked easy access to deadly weaponry can turn a bad day at the office into impulsive rage = tragedy.
No reason for our citizenry to have this stuff. Japan, with its clean subways, doesn't have a glut of guns. Why? No other industrializes nation does. It's a global embarrassment
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Post by bluehen on Apr 14, 2023 12:31:16 GMT
Many of the mass shooters were law abiding people. The human brain can be fragile. The unchecked easy access to deadly weaponry can turn a bad day at the office into impulsive rage = tragedy. No reason for our citizenry to have this stuff. Japan, with its clean subways, doesn't have a glut of guns. Why? No other industrializes nation does. It's a global embarrassment Switzerland has lots of guns... and they don't have the kind of violence we do. Gun violence, among whites, in our country... is not significantly different from other countries. We have an inner-city, urban culture problem. These mass events, like Louisville, get tons of press. But, they are relatively rare... with not many people involved. It's the day to day, night to night, drug-related murders than run up our numbers.
The shooters that splatter young children's brains all over the place in these mass slaughters seem to be young White suburban types....so the 'culture' explanation is not so simple. Very common knowledge, Bevo, that the inner city Black gun homicide rates are ridiculous. Why is it so easy for either types to get those guns and ammo ?.....and that brings up a 2A question : are inner city Blacks not allowed to be 'well regulated militiamen' like everybody else ? It's a complex issue. True, the Swiss have guns and relative peace and safety but keep in mind that there is one firearm per every 4 persons there compared to one firearm per person in the US, plus Switzerland requires a 'national' permit to buy guns involving background checks. We have state by state assorted 'buying' regulations. For a solution to our 'out of control' weapons obsession and gun violence obsession I'd focus on federalizing ammo because there is no way to get rid of the weaponry.
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Post by tigercpa on Apr 14, 2023 13:11:02 GMT
Many of the mass shooters were law abiding people. The human brain can be fragile. The unchecked easy access to deadly weaponry can turn a bad day at the office into impulsive rage = tragedy. No reason for our citizenry to have this stuff. Japan, with its clean subways, doesn't have a glut of guns. Why? No other industrializes nation does. It's a global embarrassment Switzerland has lots of guns... and they don't have the kind of violence we do. Gun violence, among whites, in our country... is not significantly different from other countries. We have an inner-city, urban culture problem. These mass events, like Louisville, get tons of press. But, they are relatively rare... with not many people involved. It's the day to day, night to night, drug-related murders than run up our numbers. True, our gun "problem" can be traced to several zip codes within the US. For the vast, vast majority, there is no gun problem at all. PA has over 742,000 registered hunters. That would equate to the 3rd largest standing army in the world. US citizens own roughly 393,000,000 firearms, and are buying at a rate of over 10 million per year. If guns were a problem, you'd know it by now. |
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Post by tigercpa on Apr 18, 2023 20:35:48 GMT
 Doesn't seem to be a gun problem... |
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Post by bluehen on Apr 19, 2023 0:12:52 GMT
Gunfire - the #1 cause of death of children in the USA. Now cpa, a personal hypothetical......if if one of your own children or grandchildren had his/her brains splattered all over a school classroom, church, store , concert, or anywhere by some angry kid who got deranged from some gun violence/hate social media sites and casually went out and bought an AR15 and 300 rounds of ammo ..no questions asked. Would you still post on NationalChamps that we don't have a gun problem ? We've had about 140 mass shootings already and it's still April and relative small % are attributed to urban Blacks and Browns, which, commonly known, murder each other all the time. Are mass slaughters with semi-automatic military style weaponry (so very easily obtained) absolutely 'no problem' ?
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Post by Bevo on Apr 19, 2023 0:49:21 GMT
Gunfire - the #1 cause of death of children in the USA. Now cpa, a personal hypothetical......if if one of your own children or grandchildren had his/her brains splattered all over a school classroom, church, store , concert, or anywhere by some angry kid who got deranged from some gun violence/hate social media sites and casually went out and bought an AR15 and 300 rounds of ammo ..no questions asked. Would you still post on NationalChamps that we don't have a gun problem ? We've had about 140 mass shootings already and it's still April and relative small % are attributed to urban Blacks and Browns, which, commonly known, murder each other all the time. Are mass slaughters with semi-automatic military style weaponry (so very easily obtained) absolutely 'no problem' ? There is a culture problem, Hen. No denying it. We've always had guns. Always. We haven't always had this level of violent insanity. |
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Post by aufan on Apr 19, 2023 1:57:17 GMT
Definite lack of coping skills. Why? I really don't know. But, I think a good deal of it is... the loss of religious values. When was the last time a devout Christian was doing one of these shootings? I also think psyche meds have a LOT to do with this... a VERY high % of these shooters are taking serious meds. But, maybe it would be MORE if they didn't have meds? Also, publicity.... We had easy access to guns when I was young. Hell, we literally had them IN OUR CARS in the parking lot, in High School. We never, ever thought of shooting up the school. But then, we'd never heard of anyone doing it. Maybe, if we had, some of our numb nuts would have done it too? We ALL know people who should never be allowed access to guns. They shouldn't even be walking around, un-supervised. But, we no longer have any way of dealing with them. Tons of people in our society are simply not mentally capable of fitting in. But then again, this dude clearly was... until, he wasn't. I wish I had an answer. I don't. Didn’t they go to a Christian school? Sure, we can blame the loss of religious values. But the groups most responsible (in my opinion and experience) chasing people away from religious values… are the church and the religious right. For example, didn’t this person identify as trans? And isn’t at least some portion of the religious right trying to genocide trans people? I don’t think the answer is simply get everyone to adhere to ‘religious values’. |
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Post by bluehen on Apr 19, 2023 11:30:13 GMT
Nobody mentions the role of the ultra powerful NRA in this 'shoot -'em -up', moronic gun culture we have now. I remember, just a few decades ago ,seeing the cover of the NRA magazine featuring a Norman Rockwell type painting of a kid being shown how to clean a fine English double barrel, upland bird hunting shotgun by a gentlemanly grandfather or father, in a country cabin by a fireplace, with a beautiful pointing bird dog on a braided rug near a fireplace.. That's wholesome, guys. Now, these NRA magazines mostly feature extra large magazine ,semi-automatic weaponry and individuals in black tactical clothing. The NRA will always be about selling firearms on behalf of the gun industry but now it seems to be all about weaponry for shooting people (in the guise of self defense) rather than hunting or target shooting.....and, of course, the NRA can absolutely buy and own politicians who will be reluctantly committed to protecting the gun and ammo manufactures and sellers and keeping the gun votes. No other industrialized nation has anything like an NRA .
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Post by Bevo on Apr 19, 2023 16:46:44 GMT
You want to blame the NRA, who pushes for training and responsible gun ownership, but have nothing to say about the gun culture glorified in all pop culture ? How many movies feature bad guys and heroes shooting it out, with every kind of gun imaginable… usually in the streets.
Rap music routinely glorifies the gun culture.
And liberals oppose enforcement of existing gun laws that would put violent violators in prison. It’s hard to get excited about NEW laws, when we don’t enforce the ones we have.
I think, we need to hire Amazon to do background checks. They seem capable of keeping and checking records.
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Post by bluehen on Apr 19, 2023 20:27:02 GMT
Oh Bevo...c'mon blaming liberals for the gun glut and gun mass slaughters ??
The gun manufacturers certainly oppose serious background checks as it could impact gun sales and its puppet lobby, the NRA, supports that now even scaring the masses of marginally intelligent gun lovers that background checks will eventually lead to gun confiscation. The helpful NRA has changed from those wholesome times. It's now an evil component of the gun glut/ gun violence culture we're stuck with, IMO. Anyway, glad we both agree that serious universal background checks are essential.
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Post by Bevo on Apr 19, 2023 21:10:11 GMT
Oh Bevo...c'mon blaming liberals for the gun glut and gun mass slaughters ?? The gun manufacturers certainly oppose serious background checks as it could impact gun sales and its puppet lobby, the NRA, supports that now even scaring the masses of marginally intelligent gun lovers that background checks will eventually lead to gun confiscation. The helpful NRA has changed from those wholesome times. It's now an evil component of the gun glut/ gun violence culture we're stuck with, IMO. Anyway, glad we both agree that serious universal background checks are essential. There are probably a number of things we could agree on Hen. But, if you won't even admit that the glorification of the gun culture in our media and pop culture are PART of this problem? Then, we can't even start. NOT ENFORCING EXISTING LAWS is also a big part of the problem. |
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Post by bluehen on Apr 20, 2023 2:58:11 GMT
Of course that pop media gun glorification is a huge problem, and the NRA is most definitely a problem
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Post by tigercpa on Apr 20, 2023 13:50:41 GMT
Oh Bevo...c'mon blaming liberals for the gun glut and gun mass slaughters ?? The gun manufacturers certainly oppose serious background checks as it could impact gun sales and its puppet lobby, the NRA, supports that now even scaring the masses of marginally intelligent gun lovers that background checks will eventually lead to gun confiscation. The helpful NRA has changed from those wholesome times. It's now an evil component of the gun glut/ gun violence culture we're stuck with, IMO. Anyway, glad we both agree that serious universal background checks are essential. There are probably a number of things we could agree on Hen. But, if you won't even admit that the glorification of the gun culture in our media and pop culture are PART of this problem? Then, we can't even start. NOT ENFORCING EXISTING LAWS is also a big part of the problem. Thats a good point. Lack of enforcement of existing laws. Hunter Biden lied on his 4473 - a federal felony. He's still walking free today. We have laws in conflict. Firearms background check can't search mental health records - that's a HIPAA violation. The NRA does support background checks, they just don't support unnecessarily broad background checks, because background checks don't stop criminals from getting guns. Background checks don’t necessarily stop criminals from getting firearms. Federal studies have repeatedly found that persons imprisoned for firearm crimes get their firearms mostly through theft, the black market, or family members or friends. Less than one percent get guns at gun shows. (Bureau of Justice Statistics) Most mass shooters, including those inspired by Islamic terrorist groups, pass background checks to acquire firearms. |
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Post by bluehen on Apr 20, 2023 15:18:46 GMT
Bottom line - background checks could impact weaponry sales. That's the NRA's motivation, just as telling the truth could impact TV ratings for FNC prime time. Integrity/greed problem. Over and out.
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